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AngryCanary 258 points ago +258 / -0

It's been clear for a long time that Musk is based. But I almost don't want him to be too obvious about it. He's too important, and I don't want the deep-state or the leftist mob to tear him down. We need Starlink, and many other things he is working on.

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ikeepforgettingname 52 points ago +53 / -1

He does support Universal Income (a socialist agenda) because he believes automation will render many jobless in the next couple decades. He is open about that.

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spezisacuckold 70 points ago +70 / -0

He's based enough. Even Trump is super soft on guns and voiced support for universal healthcare in the past.

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MaouRem 18 points ago +18 / -0

Universal income is one thing, but healthcare? They just shunned out most the Country from being able to speak and you want to give them the power to decide who can get medical care?

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ThSowell 12 points ago +12 / -0

Universal healthcare, lmao. Why the fuck should MY tax dollars be used to subsidize other peoples' poor lifestyle choices? Real healthcare lies in prevention - good food and exercise. Real healthcare starts in the gym and in the kitchen.

But you'll never hear these universal healthcare goons talking about government mandated exercise. They're all massive hypocrites, emphasis on the massive.

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TrumpAstrogeek 4 points ago +4 / -0

Kek, the left would riot if there was government mandated exercise that includes free weights

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Birbistheworb 1 point ago +1 / -0

Oh man, wait till you find out what your insurance dollars are used for.

But yeah at least you choose to pay for insurance.

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Gunslinger1776 2 points ago +2 / -0

Trump is only soft on guns because, as a great boss, he trusts the word of experts in fields he knows nothing about. Unfortunately, he took his cues from the cucked NRA, who pushed for the bump stock ban and red flag laws. NRA is salivating at the idea of a Biden presidency and the donations flowing back in—its been a dry 4 years for them!

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Friar_Pede 2 points ago +2 / -0

GOA

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TrumpAstrogeek 1 point ago +1 / -0

Damn straight!

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Dictator_Bob 25 points ago +28 / -3

What he believes then, is that some people should get paid while others labor. UBI requires a system of rationing. This is called socialism and it is why the Marxist experiment failed, repeatedly, with massive famines and military action against citizens.

Marxism with robots is still Marxism.

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MarcusAurelius 15 points ago +15 / -0 (edited)

The thing that causes Marxism to fail is that it relies on turning the citizens into slaves and expects them to productively labor for the ruling party based on a mixture of propaganda and not wanting to be shot/starved for political purposes.

Eventually it falls to a combination of needing too much resources for political propaganda, repression, buying off the politically powerful, and the productivity of the laborers goes into the trash as the laborers say "They pretend to pay me, I pretend to work."

As long as robots are given appropriate raw materials, they will mindlessly add value. As long as you keep politicians who think they can threaten a robot into making goods ex-nihilo out of the picture... it's possible that you can distribute some added value to people by virtue of having a heart beat.

But, politicians can and will fuck this up, especially when they label manufactured items "human rights". Look to various "socialist paradises." Venezuela constantly tries this with putting price controls for improved goods at prices below the inputs, then has a surprised pikacho face when there is a drastic shortage. This is true for most places that have a command economy.

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Dictator_Bob 9 points ago +9 / -0

The buyer is always the final decision maker on price. You cannot automate this. It is not worth sacrificing our humanity for social experiments that failed a century ago.

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MarcusAurelius 9 points ago +9 / -0 (edited)

This is the reason why I really don't like labeling manufactured items as "human rights." It doesn't matter if "food is a human right" if there is no food. Same thing with healthcare or whatever.

Same thing with nationalizing an industry. A state owned monopoly is still a monopoly. And you have a single point of failure.

But, it's still a good idea to try provide some level of sustenance to people as policy. Hungry people will get food using violent means.

And if Elon Musk wants to set up some sort of privately held company that is chartered to cut a check to people for having a heart beat paid for out of it's profits, it's his right to do so.

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Aoikaze2000 12 points ago +12 / -0

Thing is, I don't think he's exactly wrong about that eventuality.

For example, self driving trucks are going to render truckers obsolete - especially since you can fasten a solar panel mat to the top of the tanker/cargo container and have the cab have enough battery pack to drive for like 12 hours non-stop. Looking at what Teslas can do right now, it's not a stretch to see this happen with further advances in technology.

Boston Dynamics is getting robotic controls good enough to do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn3KWM1kuAw so it's only a matter of time before the control circuits for hands are there... which means that factories and warehouses can all be automated... and likely agriculture too.

The saving grace with all of this is that the robots are as smart as driveway gravel since they only know how to do whatever their programmed to do and little else. However, with what we've seen in modern society... that's more than enough intelligence to take it over >.>

As with all things Musk, his timing may need to be multiplied by at least 2 - but the concern that humanity may eventually be without work is real.

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Moriartis 7 points ago +9 / -2

I've never understood this mindset. At all. At one point in the US, 95+% of the population was engaged in subsistence farming. Tractors put the vast majority of those people out of work. Did millions all starve to death because they didn't have jobs? Nope. As it turns out when people have free time and need money, they find value to provide for others so that they can continue earning a living. No enslavement to the state necessary.

So then we get these "geniuses" that keep going on about how we'll need UBI because of automation and I'm just baffled as to what the hell their thought process is.

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soban 0 points ago +1 / -1

its not a hard concept. it's not needed before or after, but during the transition to automation a good chunk of the workforce will basically be unemployable.

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Aoikaze2000 2 points ago +2 / -0

But there's only so far you can retrain a person because their innate intelligence will limit how much they can learn. For example, if someone doesn't have the mental capacity to code, you can't teach them how to code.

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Moriartis 1 point ago +2 / -1

You don't need to be that intelligent to code. SQL code, for instance, is incredibly simplistic and straight forward. Granted, if you're incredibly intelligent you can do impressive feats with it, but even if you aren't that intelligent you can still knock out some basic reports and make a great living at a company with just very basic SQL knowledge.

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Goldlight 1 point ago +1 / -0

what if those jobs are automated?

edit: I can only see getting a new job go so far before automation becomes so ubiquitous that it starts take all jobs. Then again, it may require giving robots free will to get them to do jobs beyond a certain intelligence level, which might put a stop to the need for UBI

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kjj9 1 point ago +2 / -1

Wow is SQL a bad example of a coding opportunity open to those of low mental capacity. SQL is a "natural" language implementation of the deep end of set theory. If you go anywhere beyond "select this one row to populate the edit dialog and then write the changes back", you are fucked in short order if you can't keep up.

And yes, I know that people need lots of little systems that aren't much more than a few single-row edit dialogs, but enough to be economically viable for millions of people? I'm skeptical.

(Since we are talking about UBI and robots, I'll just offer that my opinions are complex and incomplete. 10 years ago, I would have been standing with the people calling is socialism.)

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Moriartis 1 point ago +1 / -0

The vast majority of basic reporting jobs companies rely on need very basic SQL code that at the most is using some temp tables to aggregate calculations, doing some joins and then reporting the data. Obviously you can do a lot more with SQL than that, but it's far beyond the scope of what most companies need. That is more than enough to make a good living off of and doesn't really require that much intelligence.

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Aoikaze2000 0 points ago +1 / -1

While that's true... you still need to be able to do the mental stuff to make the joins and other reporting do what it needs to do. There's a certain IQ threshold where once you go lower than that, then it is quite literally impossible for that person to be able to do the mental stuff needed to code.

That's kinda the problem we're going to run into with society... if someone is in a job that's not mentally stressful (or it's using most of their mental capacity) and that job gets automated, that person quite literally cannot do a more advanced job because they simply don't have the mental capacity for it - so they either end up homeless or a ward of the state because they are not able to do work.

Thankfully, we're not there yet, but it is a problem that we're going to have to deal with eventually.

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Neco-The-Sergal 3 points ago +3 / -0

I remember an article in 2018 where he literally did the opposite, replacing robots with humans involved with Tesla manufacturing. Am pretty sure he knows that where we are now, human workers are still indispensable with particular tasks.

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5854110203868847 2 points ago +2 / -0

That Venn diagram looks like the moons of Jupiter

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deleteDems 2 points ago +2 / -0

Big tech executives are geniuses too, but they chose to use their god-given gift to do evil.

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AngryCanary 1 point ago +1 / -0 (edited)

That's mostly a misconception. A lot of the most successful big-tech executives are not that smart, they simply started at the right time with the right marketing and most had more technical partners. Then, they hired actual talent and consolidated their own power. Most are smart manipulators and mediocre engineers by today's standard. They have a certain type of genius, but it's closer to scheming than technical genius.

Elon Musk is one of the few who seems actually intelligent. Dorsey and Zuckerburg are actual idiots. They are really, really stupid. On their own, they wouldn't be able to build anything of any significance today. They are manipulators, not engineers. They partnered up with more technical people to build fairly rudimentary platforms and then raised money, hired engineers, consolidated power. These kind of people aren't geniuses, they are just level 99 rats.

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Berkeley 1 point ago +1 / -0

He's nat soc. Which is good enough for me :-)

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frankblank 9 points ago +9 / -0

This. The Great Firewall will be hard to impose on satellite links. They (Big Tech) will try to jury rig some federal regulation push on the actual hardware ("modems") ... but you know, there will be "unofficial firmware" for that.

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Dictator_Bob 5 points ago +5 / -0

Tesla sued the Trump admin. I want to believe Elon is based too. I would sue the Trump admin as a CEO as well. This is what markets demand and is par for the course. Still, the interests of the nation are not the interests of Tesla. Be hopeful, and wary.

I mean it, I really want to like Elon. We will know where he stands when he takes bold action for us instead of his company:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/techland/tesla-vs-donald-trump-sues-us-government-over-tariffs-169501

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DoctaFauci 3 points ago +3 / -0

Elon is so Based that he wants everyone to have the right own robots that bear arms.

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Barthaneous 2 points ago +2 / -0

That's ok. If they try to attack him he'll send the drones with lazerbeams attached to their heads to destroy them and in that moment they will all fall in line.

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PropagandaWizard1984 116 points ago +118 / -2

The richest man in the world is fleeing the West Coast for Texas....let that sink in for a second.

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Lore4 24 points ago +24 / -0

I pre-ordered one; Hopefully the depression doesn't happen until after delivery. Anyone else pre-order a cybertruck?

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mspm 18 points ago +19 / -1

Isn't Austin basically little Commiefornia? Build them in central Texas.

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deleteDems 5 points ago +5 / -0

Some people never realize it was democrat policies that ruined cities like LA and NY.

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BasedRedPillZeus 16 points ago +17 / -1

Yeah and with him, thousands of faggot west coast liberals.

Texas is in big trouble if they don’t do something about out of staters flooding in

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TankerD18 4 points ago +4 / -0

That's a very good point. Musk himself may have seen the danger ahead of us, but I doubt many of his employees have.

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PropagandaWizard1984 4 points ago +4 / -0

I hope the based red state frens teach these refugees the way. I know some will stay stupid but hopefully people like Elon become cowboy gun lovers. A boy can dream at least.

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BILLofRIGHTEOUS 37 points ago +37 / -0

But who is going to do somethign about it? YOU, start supporting people and companies that support your values!

https://www.patriotparty.gg/ I created a hub for patriot resources

All feedback welcome, looking for more resources to add

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trump1aj 14 points ago +14 / -0

This is amazing, thank you for this

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BILLofRIGHTEOUS 7 points ago +7 / -0

Was tired of watching and needed to do something. These comments let me know I should've done it way earlier. thank you for the support!

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trump1aj 3 points ago +3 / -0

I bookmarked your site, it will definitely help me navigate all the information we have.

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BILLofRIGHTEOUS 3 points ago +3 / -0

That was the goal! Thanks for your support share with all your patriot and even normie friends!

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Matthew419 3 points ago +3 / -0

Can you add a section for based businesses we can shop from ? Goya, Hobby Lobby, etc

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BILLofRIGHTEOUS 1 point ago +1 / -0

yes I am working on one it is on the based page: need more to add! Will add hobby lobby

https://www.patriotparty.gg/based

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SilverReality1 2 points ago +2 / -0

Feedback: Link to more than one platform for the "digital soldiers", that way should they lose their Twitter accounts, which these days is pretty likely, we know where else to find them. Maybe make an entire section for them. List their names (or handles to protect their privacy) and then all the various links where you can find their content.

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BILLofRIGHTEOUS 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is a very good idea, will probably put it on its own page instead of clutter up the home page but I do think this is important! Thank you for the support and feedback!

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DarkDrai 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's too bad the "media" page links to a bunch of YouTube videos... People need to start publishing on BitChute more.

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LockeThePatriot 1 point ago +1 / -0

Wicked cool site man. Thought this page (linked below) I have bookmarked would be a helpful resource for your "Companies that don't deserve your money section".

They are all public supporters of BLM and/or Antifa, each with links to the sauce.

https://realityanddenial.wordpress.com/2020/06/09/279-companies-supporting-violent-antifa-black-lives-matter/

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billClintonIsARapist 32 points ago +32 / -0

It'll be funny when he leaves twitter and joins Gab.

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TheBroodwich 10 points ago +10 / -0

I honestly think it is inexcusable Trump never started a Gab or Parler in parallel to his Twitter.

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MostEffectualTopKek 2 points ago +2 / -0

Didn't need to. But he should have worked more closely with Gab to get them ready for this date.

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mango20 1 point ago +1 / -0

Shows just what a hold Twitter has on communications that so many people are on it even though it’s terrible. The fact that I can refer to someone’s Twitter username using an @ without any context and anyone will just understand “oh that’s a Twitter name” to the point that news anchors will list it under their name on TV shows that Twitter is ubiquitous, it’s as pervasive in communications as TV channels or phone numbers. If they’re convicted of antitrust I wonder how a solution would look like to force them to allow other providers to integrate into their network in the same way that AT&T had to let in 3rd party phone companies to their long distance service; maybe you could host your own Twitter server and they’d communicate in the way that Mastodon and Scuttlebutt instances communicate. Then again if droves of people leave Twitter for Gab or Parler if it ever gets back online maybe Twitter will become the next Digg.

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OccasionalCortex21 18 points ago +18 / -0

The only ceo of any value. The rest can burn, literally.

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neil218 10 points ago +10 / -0

Elon can build a Texas High Tech. And President Trump can build a Florida Big Media.

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FlyinHeadlock 9 points ago +9 / -0

He's probably the smartest man on the planet and he lives in my state of TX

We'll have the first ever militia with space ships and laser cannons.

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Trump2024 5 points ago +5 / -0

Don't forget personal flame throwers

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PropagandaWizard1984 6 points ago +6 / -0

The richest man in the world is fleeing the West Coast for Texas....let that sink in for a second.

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Ramasun 5 points ago +5 / -0

I almost want to go buy a Tesla... Almost.

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newuser999 1 point ago +2 / -1

Save your money

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Hanging_Chad 5 points ago +5 / -0

Has Elon started building his Texas gigafactory campus yet?

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Polterkitty 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yep and it's a terafactory!

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Nimble_Sneak 5 points ago +5 / -0

Plot twist, elon musk can shut down all the censors once Starlink is online

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schmolch 3 points ago +3 / -0

I think Elon and Donald are frens.

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holliday50 3 points ago +3 / -0

Best part of this is that he reads the Bee.

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Nebakanezer 3 points ago +3 / -0

Djt could doing with getting Elon onside. All he has to do is click his fingers and become more powerful than all of big tech put together. With the support and following he'll get (and a shit ton of cash) Starlink could make the Internet look like beta max

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mong04 2 points ago +2 / -0

Was telling my family last night that I feel like Elon is one of the most important people on the planet right now. Said this because with Starlink he has the power to bypass every single ISP, he has the resources to create a truly free internet, and will likely be the reason humans colonize Mars.

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DarkDrai 2 points ago +2 / -0

STARLINK ME PLEASE, ELON.

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MidwestMom 2 points ago +2 / -0

Been pretty unhappy with them as the arbiter of a lot of things for a while.

The net was great 20, 25 years ago. You could just make your own site or post to newsgroups and say what you wanted to say, and not have to worry about whether some fainthearted admin was going to pull it because they're terrified of losing advertisers (or now, of the DS).

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Artek 1 point ago +1 / -0

This guy.. He's the one that builds Skynet.

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CuzMerica 1 point ago +1 / -0

Why don’t you buy some servers for Gab?

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Fecal_Fetus 1 point ago +1 / -0

They're not. They're just trying to be

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mrgibson 1 point ago +1 / -0

Musk is a genius. That's why he moved his plant out of Silicon Valley.

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GhostOfMyFormerSelf 1 point ago +2 / -1

"don't be super unhappy" ~ Elon, 2021

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solarsavior 1 point ago +1 / -0

Build something in Texas. Texans take great delight in not giving two shits about what you commies think.

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magaboner247 1 point ago +1 / -0

Elon is probably the most based person in tech.

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HIWATT 1 point ago +1 / -0

Musk should buy a controlling amount of stock in Facebook and Twitter, then flush them both down the proverbial toilet.

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twoterms 1 point ago +1 / -0

There's shares and then there's shares you have to have specific class of shares to even have a say.

Am I wrong?

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MarcusAurelius 1 point ago +1 / -0

It would also force him to sell a substantial amount of Tesla and/or SpaceX. I think it's better that he spends his time building these companies, rather than waste it trying to take down companies that might very well be in the process of imploding.

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newuser999 1 point ago +1 / -0

Asking to be banned I see

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DontDoxMeBro1 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm so conflicted with elon. I don't trust his startlink project. But i like what he says

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RonPaulWasRight [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

Take the good with the bad. He's probably our most consequential human right now.

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redditDOTexposed 1 point ago +1 / -0

I’ve been arguing it would be in Elon’s business interest to build politically agnostic datacenters. He would have 70 million more fans, who would possibly want electric cars after he becomes truly based. Data center could be “green” with solar (yes, I know solar can’t power the massive draw of cooling and servers, but it’s about the optics).

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ProudCHUMP4Trump 1 point ago +1 / -0

WINNING!

thanks Elon Musk for protecting freedoms!

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slickrock 1 point ago +1 / -0

"You can tell it's real because it looks so fake."

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romanhelmet 1 point ago +1 / -0 (edited)

When Elon delivers his satellite internet, he'll have the unmitigated power to shut down any traffic that he feels violates HIS terms of service.

Start with FB, Twitter and Google.

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theglynn 1 point ago +1 / -0

That happened a long time ago.

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KX909 1 point ago +1 / -0

As of now, they really don't give a shit. They probably don't even care that their valuations have dropped. Must be getting some of that sweet Xi!

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CS212 1 point ago +1 / -0

I can’t find the tweet on his twitter

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Monetarymeerkat 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's a reply to another tweet. Look under his "tweets & reply" tab

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JigglesV 1 point ago +6 / -5

Hes building a factory in china.he sold his soul and handed over IP for that privilege. Only a matter of time til a tesla is made by Uyghurs

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dennis_nedry 6 points ago +6 / -0

America selling quality products to China is better than China selling crap to America.

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Semisolid 1 point ago +2 / -1

The IP he already released freely years before that so that other manufacturers could make use of it?

You are really fucking stupid.

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ltpayne 1 point ago +1 / -0

EXODUS THE TYRANT PLATFORMS.. if everyone on our side would do it - these assholes either would come crawling back - or better: people would go to alternatives and we'd have better product by competition

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ShitOfPeace 1 point ago +1 / -0

So do something about it. You're one of the few people that can unilaterally make a large scale difference here.

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Monetarymeerkat 1 point ago +1 / -0

Elon Musk should make a phone to compete with iPhones. I will throw my iphone away in a heart beat

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Cazzoculo -1 points ago +1 / -2

we must protect elon at all costs. The King of Doge has spoken

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bewarethejogger -3 points ago +2 / -5

But he's more concerned about starting a colony on Mars or stopping AI from holocausting mankind. Meanwhile we're on the precipice of madness here and I guess Elon feels it won't touch him or his company.

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NoCoupForYou 16 points ago +16 / -0

Space Colonies are, long term, the absolute best insurance policy against Tyranny.

Everything from tossing rocks, to airlocks, to the long communication delays, to the likely small communities that will be the norm. Plus the ability to just move if you don't like it. And the 'unalienation of labor' where colonists will no doubt have a ton of tasks and cross trained, making Expert Oligarchy more difficult.

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kevinkevin 1 point ago +1 / -0

It true, beltalowda.

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CyclopticErotica 7 points ago +7 / -0

He feels this way and just created a global internet. Go Musk.

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nathanrzehringer 1 point ago +1 / -0

I like Elon...but Starlink will not be the come all be all for internet. It will have the same problems of current satellite internet with high latency. Solves the problem for some rural internet deployment, but you would rather want a fiber than a starlink connection. (Source: I run a fiber network and Starlink is backed up by fiber connections....lol)

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CyclopticErotica 4 points ago +4 / -0

It will have the same problems of current satellite internet with high latency.

Not true. SOL latency concerns for low earth sats are no worse than travel times to regional pops. You are thinking of GEOsynchronous orbits, which introduce massive SOL latency.

The main point is he is unlikely to shut it off if you vote for someone different than him.

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CyclopticErotica 2 points ago +2 / -0

It will have the same problems of current satellite internet with high latency.

Not true. SOL latency concerns for low earth sats are no worse than travel times to regional pops. You are thinking of GEOsynchronous orbits, which introduce massive SOL latency.

The main point is he is unlikely to shut it off if you vote for someone different than him.

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GreatNW 1 point ago +1 / -0

Look it up, current ping times in northern latitudes of the country have shown 31ms to 94ms and the number goes down as the constellation fills with more of the relatively very low flying satellites.

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MarcusAurelius 6 points ago +6 / -0

You do know that based Elon now has just given us plan B if Google/Comcast/Verizon decides to "save us from ourselves" by cutting off internet access to people being naughty?

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bewarethejogger 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'm not worried about Comcast or Verizon. I'm worried about the government.

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MarcusAurelius 1 point ago +1 / -0

Fair enough.

My recommendation would be sniff out VPNs that don't collect logs, stores stuff in RAM, with a the servers located in a country where government butts heads with the establishment uniparty.

In said case, it might be a good idea to convert a few US dollars into Bitcoins.

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dankai420 4 points ago +4 / -0

I think he's seeing how close we are to a technocracy and he will help everyone that is on the side of freedom and liberty by creating some sort of alternet, this is the most pressing issue right now, Mars can wait.

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bewarethejogger 0 points ago +1 / -1

Long term thinking is great, but it won't amount to shit if the government can just fucking come and take it, which is where we're heading. Don't think they wouldn't just nationalize SpaceX and put a bullet in his head. Nothing is off the table with these globalist tyrants. We're in uncharted waters. They view humans as a commodity.

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COLDWARPATRIOT55 -7 points ago +1 / -8

Elon Musk will be followed to the ends of the earth. Havent you noticed? It’s already,WWED...what would Elon do?

He is the antichrist.

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