I think that's actually very true: porn is a cancer. In my youth the only porn I saw was in girly mags hidden almost out of sight on the top or bottom shelf in the seediest of stores... and what a look I would get if I tried to buy one - didn't stop me sneaking a peek at the bare boobs, though. Now, any kid of any age can view, in HD, the most degenerate filth with little more than a tap at an iPhone screen. It has to have had affect on society.
I'm so glad I was enlightened to the psychological effects it has.
You're right though. Back in the day you had to have a mag stashed away somewhere now its the most degenerate and debaucherous shit on demand. It's bad for society for sure.
We built a fort in the woods, and traded with kids from other neighborhoods. You'd lift a piece of plywood and there would be a porn-pit complete with Swank, Hustler, Penthouse, etc...
You'd take the ones from home you'd read a thousand times already, and drop them in there. In exchange, someone from the neighborhood on the other side of the woods would drop their mags, and you'd start a little library.
When I was a kid, I lived in a neighborhood near an Air Force training base. When the pilots would get shipped out, they'd have to dispose of their porno mags (long before VHS). For some reason, most of them left it in a box on the curb. I made bank selling them to the other kids.
Now that I'm older, I can see that many of those pilots who were married, were also swingers.
Lmfao I thought this just happened to me and my friends! We'd always find them on the train tracks as well. Once there was a snake underneath one haha.
You must be a cuck if you think porn doesn't rewire your brain. I should know I've been an addict for 10+ years and been trying to quit for 6 years now. Porn has a death grip that you don't notice till its too late.
You’re a fucking moron if you don’t think sexual desensitization isn’t a real thing. Sexual depravity only deepens with the increase in availability of pornography.
Likely one of the reasons we see liberals attempting to normalize mental illness, pedophilia, prostitution, and all around degeneracy.
Remember the good old days when getting bored sexually just resulted adulty? No all the sudden there's like 1500 made up jenders and dudes are loping their junk off.
to think that for most of human history perverts could only HOPE to see maybe one or two girls in their lifetime. What we have is completely unnatural and dangerous.
THIS. my guess is that this has more profound effects in people than you might think. Also, cool that people on here can talk about this openly without retribution. On lots of other places on the internet, people will argue you down or fling the shit.
Point of order: except in cases where women are held against their will; "porn" doesn't exploit the wahmens, they make their own choices and then they suffer the consequences of it.
I think it's part of what feeds into these cucks. All they see and get off on is watching other people having sex. Which is why it becomes completely natural for them to watch their girlfriends bang other dudes while they sit in the corner and watch. It's their kink because it reminds them of watching porn, except live. So it would be natural that some people who consume porn, would go down this path, specifically because of it depicting other people having sex. Sitting and watching becomes normalized to them.
Double check your history and it depends on the culture as well. We're remarkably repressed compared to many of our root ancestral cultures.
I think there's something infinitely more natural about it when you're engaged and promiscuous rather than detached like some voyeur in observing modern twisted weird porno shit.
Hell just look at Japan and how much porn and weird shit they consume over there. To the point where many young men have no interest in sex, and possibly is also a factor into their huge suicides rate.
It is crucial to not allow children/teens unrestricted access to the internet. THEY DO NOT NEED THEIR OWN MOBILE INTERNET DEVICES. Walkie talkies (i'm not joking. A fellow pede suggested this.) and old style dumb phones can be an option perhaps or NONE AT ALL. All laptops/computers must be located in central locations with the screens facing outward where they can be monitored at all times. Or better yet take them to the library so you can keep these devil boxes out of your home.
Be wary of children, students, family members etc. who do not monitor their children/teens like you. All your efforts will be for naught if you have a no cell phone policy but then once they go to their playmate's house they can easily watch Debbie Does Dallas, Austin AND San Antonio the millisecond they are out of sight. Adults who are dealing with porn addictions should also take like minded precautions. Thanks for listening to this PSA. I'll get off my soap box now.
I definitely agree that they should be taught wayy earlier. Do not shy away from previously considered taboo subjects in an age appropriate manner because if you don't broach the subject there is some degenerate online who will. How you approach this subject is also crucial. Establishing an open and kind way to get your point across is best to keep open lines of communication. You don't want to alienate your child so that outside ghouls (predators, wrong influences, gangs etc.) will take hold of your child.
Well, sex ed is incredibly difficult to talk about, but parents literally have no choice now. They are letting the wolf teach them how to enjoy being eaten alive.
Absolutely. Parents need to get over their discomfort real quick. (If this was any other time I would have advocated for parents to be locked up for child endangerment for broaching these type of topics but the world is sick and unfortunately you have to get ahead of the degeneracy.)
Congrats pede!!! There was a huge nofap community on the site that shall not be named. Not sure if it survived the purges. Would be great if they migrated to .win.
When I had a gf I could be pr0n free no problem. But I couldn't take the ridiculous expectations women have of men nowadays, and when they do open their legs, it feels like you're getting paid for your labor, not because she's enjoying it with you.
So why bother? pr0n is free as long as you're not a retard.
If having trouble use a 1 inch thick by 1 yard(3 feet) long dowel rod to whack the arms or legs about 5-10 times anytime those thoughts enter your head. It is very effective support mechanism. The first getting rid of just about everything that leads to it.
I say this as someone who has been there. Don't get overconfident. It will be a daily fight. You will stumble at some point. Don't let the eventual fall defeat you. Get up and keep fighting.
Good. I just know that when I said I would quit, I had the same mentality.
I know how strong my will power is though so I trust myself.
After the 5th or 6th time I stumbled, I gave up. I just said to hell with it, this is me I guess. I've lost count of how many times I've had to pull myself back out of the muck. I just don't want to see you throw in the towel. You're on a good road. Don't lose focus. Don't lose hope.
The porn cartel is counting on you not to share your story, remember that. As long as people pretend porn is okay it will continue on its path of destruction.
Keep talking, keep being brave. When you are brave it inspires others to be brave
It should be treated like a controlled substance -
regulate it strongly
keep it away from minors
and tax the hell out of it
With online exchanges and cryptocurrencies, websites require photo proof of ID. There is no reason at all it can't be done to porn - Those "are you under 18" checkboxes are a joke.
I just think that we need to raise our kids right, with the same Christian values that we had back when this nation was a beacon to the entire world, not... whatever the shit it is today.
The fact is you're dealing with a cartel who is targeting your children with a highly addictive, mind-altering substance. We learned from Prohibition and The Drug War that you can't stop something like this by just outright banning it.
Learn from history - we beat tobacco for a reason. Let's use those tactics, not ones that don't work.
Rules and regulations are just going to be broken. Adding more rules will not fix anything. However, if you instead raised kids such that they wouldn't even have the desire to do something, you wouldn't even need a rule preventing it.
I think this should apply to more than just porn as well, like drugs for example. If kids were raised with proper values and knowledge about them, they likely would make much better choices when it comes to substances. None of this "weed is as bad as heroin" crap that just leads to someone trying weed and thinking hmm this isn't bad, and then later trying heroin thinking they were lied to about that as well. Instead teach fact based information with pros and cons of each substance, proper safety, etc.
Knowledge of actions and their consequences, along with the proper view of right and wrong would do so much more than flat out rules stating you can or can't do this or that.
It's an argument I have against actual, genuine, good Christians all the time. That their own experiences with ruinous desires and drives in the past cause them to pull back far too hard in the opposite direction. My stepdad, for instance, was a sleep around druggo in his younger days. Now he's perhaps the best man I've ever met (don't tell him I said that, he's also got a big head,) though still flawed, naturally. But some of his dealings with my brothers and sister as he raised them was too strict, causing them to try and break the reins, which in many ways they did, and in many ways they're still now suffering from those bad youthful decisions. Me, however, I've always been naturally middle of the road introspective.
It's like, if every single thing that a kid does wrong is the most severe sin you could imagine... why think that the things that are big wrong are any more wrong than the small wrong? "Dad, I was home five minutes late" should not be a fight. It should be "Well, next time I want you home by 9:30, not 10. If you can get home by 9:30, we can go back to 10." Shoot, maybe even warn that WILL BE what happens next time. Maybe establish beforehand that 5 minutes late due to traffic is okay, but then that 6 minutes late is actually LATE late, and not "one minute late." You have to be rational and reasonable. Home 5 minutes late is disobedience, yes, maybe wilful, maybe neglectful. But if you go straight to "you're grounded for a month," because you assume that your kid is getting stoned with some whore, well, you're making yourself the enemy, and your kid is going to want to do the things that damage the enemy... which may just be getting stoned with some whore.
There was a quote carved into the local indoctrination center by my old house, which was ironic in its presence, but it was put there generations ago, when people thought. It said that an Educated People are Easy to Govern but Impossible to Rule. And this is what we need. People who are educated in the truth, and in rationality and thinking. Who can hear the plans of their government, and when those plans make sense say "Okay, I assent to that, because it is in the good of the nation," and when those plans propose the kind of oppression and failure that always lead to untold death, say "No, we will not be doing that, and you must now resign or face the wrath of the populace."
Same with kids. When you have kids who understand the consequences of an action or a philosophy, you can say to them "Be home by 10," or "I had friends like that when I was younger, and they led me to do things that hurt me in the long run," or "That girl has Herpes, it's right on her face there, you need to start hanging around with better, or at least smarter, girls," and your kid can go "Well, I disagree, but I understand my lack of experience can not trump your life of experience, so I will defer to that wisdom."
Definitely needs photo ID. Anyone young enough may "imprime" off of what they see, meaning they will be attracted to that for the rest of their lives. Animals raised in captivity tend to do this wrong as well if they only have human caretakers.
I'm not positive that giving copies of everyone's photo IDs to a bunch of websites that likely have no idea when it comes to proper security practices is a good idea.
I can already imagine the headlines now. "Such and such porn sites got hacked! Millions of users Driver's Licenses leaked, including histories of videos watched!"
I would argue masturbation is just as harmful, but in a different way. It encourages complacency and lazyness, instead of motivating men to work out, get a girl, do well in school, ect.
And it is also VERY addictive, even without porn.
Don't believe me? Go ahead and try it for more than 3 weeks. See what kind of withdrawal symptoms you get.
This is coming from someone who has successfully not masturbated nor watched porn for more than a year. It is not an easy journey by any means, but it is worth it.
Been porn free two years in February. Feels great being free of that crap. It truly undermines and compromises a man when he falls into the porn hole. Porn is to the soul as sugar is to the teeth.
I got addicted to it when I was 10 because google autofilled something in for me and noone told me it was wrong. Do you think that my brain can ever get back to the path that it should be on or do you think that since I started at such a young age my brain will always have the damage.
I think that people can adapt and recover from anything. For practical advice (and mind you I’m no expert), I’d say:
Stop watching porn if you still do. All of this has to do with #1:
Be steadfast in the conviction that it’s a terrible evil, because people will try to convince you otherwise. Set a goal of stopping for 3 days, no matter what. Then, at the end of the 3 days, keep going. Find a book about breaking porn addiction (research to find a good one first). Talk to someone you trust about it, a friend, or your pastor. Dragging that shit out into the light will set you on the path of healing. Lean on Jesus, if you’re Christian. You can find men with similar struggles in many faith communities, and having a group of strong Christian men will help carry you and encourage you.
Cultivate a healthy sexual relationship with someone you love, if that’s an option.
If you find that you can’t have a healthy relationship with someone, go to therapy. It will help.
No. I started at 11 and have led a porn addiction group. It takes 2 to 5 years. But you can get clean for sure if you are motivated. Find a chuch porn addiction group.
Finding a church group might be the hardest part. I've been to a few churches in my area and I've yet to find a good one. I remember the one I went to the youth ministry talked about sexual purity and it was seperated into men and womens groups in seperate rooms, and no guys in said or asked any questions, but me about pornography and remain pure to marriage. Maybe I was the only with a problem. I don't know I just would like to find a group of men in real life to relate to and have fellowship in Christ with.
You weren't. At least some were faking. 95%+ of men under 30 will have been regular porn watchers at some point, and a decent % will be addicts. The men at church are no exception.
The people who create the courses that churches do generally try to keep lists of churches who are using them. I live in New Zealand so I only know of one American course, which is called Conquer, maybe you could find it.
In Australia and NZ evangelical parachurch organisations are more active than most churches in this area, possibly it's the same where you are.
All the best pede, I really hope you find a good church.
Don’t forget that the CCP and CIA fucking love their male citizens to have porn addictions.
Porn/masturbation addictions = lower T, more complacency, more likely to be a fucking cuck when they lock you in your house for a year (just to pull a random, hypothetical example).
Want some evidence? Look up something called “sissy hypnosis.” These videos are fucking created by people who know a thing or two about taking over control of people’s minds.
Those videos should be considered war crimes. Not only do they promote trannies and homosexual behavior, but some of them even promote genocide and rape of whites.
the more sexually "awake" I became, the more I craved sex with someone I loved. one of my closest friends is a well known porn star, at the end of the day she wants what any human wants, true love and one person to care for her. not sure if she'll ever get that now with her "career" choices. ...porn definitely is cancer.
Porn is gross. Porn changes you for the worse. You’ll be happier with a loving partner.
My husband doesn’t believe in porn (never has in our many years) and it’s easy to keep him happy. Only two things a man really needs - full stomach and empty jewels.
Right, but attempting to regulate porn is only going to make it more profitable, and only going to push it more into the black market, like drugs.
If weed is illegal, then in order to FIND weed, you have to deal with people who live outside of the bounds of the law, and that's why it's a "gateway drug", because those people often are selling other drugs as well.
If regular, softcore porn was made illegal, the same thing would happen. To find it, you'd have to go to websites that also deal in child trafficking and other forms of smut.
About the best option is to simply show the negative effects it has on people, and preach against it. Regulating to make it harder only makes it that much more profitable, and only forces it to associate with the more illegal variety
They should just give parents more ability to block it, really. Phone apps, ISP access to block things. Or the ability to monitor what their kids are doing.
I always laugh when people use "exploitation of women" as one of the key factors that porn is bad. Most women in the west that participate in it do so of their own volition. They are adults who make their own (bad) decisions and are culpable. Stop infantilizing them. And to add, porn keeps the sexual assault rate low according to studies. Many women benefit from the industry, women who'd probably would be prostitutes in the gutters otherwise.
Now if you talk about human trafficking and drugs, that's a different issue entirely that includes but is not exhaustive to pornography alone.
No, if porn has a victim, it's pre-teen children and adults who watch it. And the biggest issue is it robs people of their motivation to improve themselves. It's like having access to free food daily. Desensitization is just an after effect of over-abundance. As for children, it warps their perceptions into being far too undiscriminating as adults. But that's also a symptom of secularization.
A very good family friend quit a very high paying, prestigious job to start a pornography business. She started a genre of porn that is now one of the most sought after. I'm not going to give more details because I don't want to dox her or my family. She paid her performance artists much higher than anyone else and made a shit ton of money. She's retired now and is a healthy well adjusted woman without any hangups.
When I was 10 years old, I got my first exposure to porn. My parents weren't tech savvy. I was allowed unrestricted internet access, and parental controls weren't really a thing back then. I was innocently looking for stuff about Pokemon cards, and clicked on some site that had the words "private collection" in the name.
That was the beginning of a long, dark road for me. At first it was just softcore stuff, but over time, I kept being drawn to more extreme stuff. It got to the point where after I got off, I felt physically sickened by what I had seen, but I was addicted. I kept saying I would quit. Sometimes I could last for a few weeks. I think my record was 3 months, but I always caved. I still struggle with it. Hardly a day goes by that I'm not tempted. Sometimes, the temptation is so strong that I want to abandon the fight altogether.
And don't let anyone tell you that it's nobody else's business. It's caused problems with my wife. I would get my rocks off in private and have nothing left for her. It's made the whole thing feel very mechanical to me. There was no emotional component. I'm still trying to get that back.
Why am I telling you all this? To let anyone who's struggling know that they're not alone. A lot of us have been through the same thing. The shame is what makes you feel alone. You're not. It's a hard battle, a daily battle, but it can be fought. I'm fighting it. I'm nothing special. I'm weak. I fail. Still, I fight, and if I can, you can.
The good thing is, unlike cancer it's curable. 5 year survival rates with good treatment and motivation are higher than 80%.
Many churches run porn addiction courses. There are also secular support groups. My life got better in every way when I got off porn. Better moods, better relationship (marriage these days), clean conscience, etc.
Most importantly, a clean conscience and peace with God, and new found gratitude for another way he saved me.
It takes 2 to 5 years and there are relapses along the way but you get there in the end. Search for a course today.
It is, but I think it must be pushed on culturally. Pushing back on porn in a legal framework ends up becoming censorship, because the line between porn and are is grey as all fuck
Well they unfortunately are insisting that society can be fixed if we play the old game whilst stupidly or naively failing to realize that women aren't playing. What are you if you keep foolishly clinging to a set of rules that the other players refuse to follow? An idiot.
It's a lot like nutless republicans insisting that "we take the high road" while they get ass raped over and over by democrats who don't give a shit about anything but winning.
Addiction is cancer, porn is just one form of addiction. Flip side, no fap/porn makes you a cuck ass bitch that will do anything some wretched ass whore tells you just to get a sniff of her stinky.
Yet another psyop to remove power from men and give it to women.
Retarded was putting it nicely. The window he presented into his mind was a glimpse into total weakness and confusion. Guy needs to work on his self-esteem.
Retarded you say? Why is it that only men are being encouraged to not masturbate? Try to find anything, anywhere that tells women to not masturbate. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Sex, masturbation, wet dream. Your choice. It's coming out one way or another. Save your sheets and crank the pump. Stop begging women for anything, especially sexual relief. Any man that allows a woman that kind of control is a cuck ass bitch.
It’s because of psychology. Marriage studies bear this out. And women should stay away from porn. They aren’t immune to the damaging effects of it, either. Statistically, more men do porn than women.
Nobody said anything about not masturbating. Watching and getting addicted to porn is the problem. It's important to tell them apart. You can masturbate without watching full HD orgies with your premium phub membership.
I think you just have a problem with real women. Maybe something in your past, maybe you just don't like them. Fine. Just don't say ignorant shit about porn. That shit destroys people man.
First, you've conflated fap and porn. Second, in most men at most ages, a large component of the "compulsion" is a conditioned reflex. Addictions are just metastasized habits, which are reinforced behaviors.
So behave properly. And I'm no anti-fap crusader. Go ahead, crank it off, I don't care. What's retarded is your strawman that porn is the only way out of slavery. Guess what -- porn CONDITIONS YOU to become a slave.
Nope. I expounded on the OPs original point in saying that addiction was what was unhealthy.
What's retarded is your strawman that porn is the only way out of slavery. Guess what -- porn CONDITIONS YOU to become a slave.
Not sure what conversation you were reading but I never presented any strawmen. You (and the rest of the idiots like you) are arguing that watching porn is going to melt your brain and kill your grandma. As you mentioned, it is the compulsory need that destroys. But this could be alcohol, gambling, porn, sexual addiction, etc.
Men should just get married and have sex with their wives and their wives shouldn't hold out because they're not "in the mood." It is the duty of both spouses to keep each sexually satisfied even if they don't feel like it.
If you want the right of being my only sexual partner, then you have the responsibility of filling my sexual desires if you are physically capable of doing so. Same responsibility for me if I want the right of being your only sexual partner.
I think that's actually very true: porn is a cancer. In my youth the only porn I saw was in girly mags hidden almost out of sight on the top or bottom shelf in the seediest of stores... and what a look I would get if I tried to buy one - didn't stop me sneaking a peek at the bare boobs, though. Now, any kid of any age can view, in HD, the most degenerate filth with little more than a tap at an iPhone screen. It has to have had affect on society.
I'm so glad I was enlightened to the psychological effects it has.
You're right though. Back in the day you had to have a mag stashed away somewhere now its the most degenerate and debaucherous shit on demand. It's bad for society for sure.
How did porn mags always end up in the woods though???
We built a fort in the woods, and traded with kids from other neighborhoods. You'd lift a piece of plywood and there would be a porn-pit complete with Swank, Hustler, Penthouse, etc...
You'd take the ones from home you'd read a thousand times already, and drop them in there. In exchange, someone from the neighborhood on the other side of the woods would drop their mags, and you'd start a little library.
Id go tromping round the woods as a kid and find random mags. I wonder if its still a thing
Um...they tromp around on instagram and upvote trannies. It's not quite the same.
...trading jack-off material that probably has other people's cum on it.
mid-20th century was a crazy time...
That was a little bonus for the gay kids I bet.
Sniffs the crusty pages
"OHHHHOHOHOHHHH YEAAAAaaaa.. THAT will make good tea!"
We were smart enough not to jerk off into the books back then.
Not sure about the kids these days, though.
LOL I was unaware this was a thing. I had to survive on nudie playing cards.
When I was a kid, I lived in a neighborhood near an Air Force training base. When the pilots would get shipped out, they'd have to dispose of their porno mags (long before VHS). For some reason, most of them left it in a box on the curb. I made bank selling them to the other kids.
Now that I'm older, I can see that many of those pilots who were married, were also swingers.
Lmfao I thought this just happened to me and my friends! We'd always find them on the train tracks as well. Once there was a snake underneath one haha.
This faggot got mad and made an account because we made a post about porn 🤣 suck dick shill
Guy def does not fuck.
You must be a cuck if you think porn doesn't rewire your brain. I should know I've been an addict for 10+ years and been trying to quit for 6 years now. Porn has a death grip that you don't notice till its too late.
Praying for you to quit.
Find a good church and see if they will provide counseling.
You need God to help you.
LOL!
You’re a fucking moron if you don’t think sexual desensitization isn’t a real thing. Sexual depravity only deepens with the increase in availability of pornography.
Likely one of the reasons we see liberals attempting to normalize mental illness, pedophilia, prostitution, and all around degeneracy.
That "lol" could have been an innocent lol....read it again.... in a different context... its quite funny.
Sometimes a LOL is just a LOL
Remember the good old days when getting bored sexually just resulted adulty? No all the sudden there's like 1500 made up jenders and dudes are loping their junk off.
coomer outs himself as a COOOOOOOMer
Well I mean we out here getting our mogwai wet. Where are you?
to think that for most of human history perverts could only HOPE to see maybe one or two girls in their lifetime. What we have is completely unnatural and dangerous.
It's pretty much equivalent to something like Ecstasy, which leads to depression by overusing your dopamine. Except it also exploits women.
And breaks pair bonding circuits in men and women. Absolute tragedy.
THIS. my guess is that this has more profound effects in people than you might think. Also, cool that people on here can talk about this openly without retribution. On lots of other places on the internet, people will argue you down or fling the shit.
Turns people gay as well. Not everyone, but some
I haven't found any research backing that up. I think there are actually gay monkeys in nature.
Gay monkeys... now that's a phrase.
Point of order: except in cases where women are held against their will; "porn" doesn't exploit the wahmens, they make their own choices and then they suffer the consequences of it.
Yep. There are many cases where women are held against their will though.
I agree in the west. Here, 18 year olds are getting railed in the caboose and mouth drilled by 12" coke can dicks for $300 a shoot.
I've seen some of those Russian videos, and I think those chicks look like someone is pointing a gun at their heads.
I think it's part of what feeds into these cucks. All they see and get off on is watching other people having sex. Which is why it becomes completely natural for them to watch their girlfriends bang other dudes while they sit in the corner and watch. It's their kink because it reminds them of watching porn, except live. So it would be natural that some people who consume porn, would go down this path, specifically because of it depicting other people having sex. Sitting and watching becomes normalized to them.
I like how you make the same point 3 times in one paragraph.
Double check your history and it depends on the culture as well. We're remarkably repressed compared to many of our root ancestral cultures.
I think there's something infinitely more natural about it when you're engaged and promiscuous rather than detached like some voyeur in observing modern twisted weird porno shit.
Hell just look at Japan and how much porn and weird shit they consume over there. To the point where many young men have no interest in sex, and possibly is also a factor into their huge suicides rate.
That's because the Japanese females are entranced by the white man, and think their own men are losers.
maybe this is the subconscious reason why the japs don't like americans. some at least.
It's possible man.
This is why my kids... to my knowdge... have almost zero access to their own screens.
It is crucial to not allow children/teens unrestricted access to the internet. THEY DO NOT NEED THEIR OWN MOBILE INTERNET DEVICES. Walkie talkies (i'm not joking. A fellow pede suggested this.) and old style dumb phones can be an option perhaps or NONE AT ALL. All laptops/computers must be located in central locations with the screens facing outward where they can be monitored at all times. Or better yet take them to the library so you can keep these devil boxes out of your home.
Be wary of children, students, family members etc. who do not monitor their children/teens like you. All your efforts will be for naught if you have a no cell phone policy but then once they go to their playmate's house they can easily watch Debbie Does Dallas, Austin AND San Antonio the millisecond they are out of sight. Adults who are dealing with porn addictions should also take like minded precautions. Thanks for listening to this PSA. I'll get off my soap box now.
Kids need to be taught about sex way earlier now than before, PREFERABLY by trusted staff in a Church, with more than one person teaching the kids.
I definitely agree that they should be taught wayy earlier. Do not shy away from previously considered taboo subjects in an age appropriate manner because if you don't broach the subject there is some degenerate online who will. How you approach this subject is also crucial. Establishing an open and kind way to get your point across is best to keep open lines of communication. You don't want to alienate your child so that outside ghouls (predators, wrong influences, gangs etc.) will take hold of your child.
Well, sex ed is incredibly difficult to talk about, but parents literally have no choice now. They are letting the wolf teach them how to enjoy being eaten alive.
Absolutely. Parents need to get over their discomfort real quick. (If this was any other time I would have advocated for parents to be locked up for child endangerment for broaching these type of topics but the world is sick and unfortunately you have to get ahead of the degeneracy.)
where there's a will...
might mean your kids end up being computer nerd geniuses. the internet was invented for porn.
More please (if you would be so kind.) Your experiences will be valuable to other pedes!
That’s awesome. Full props to you and your gf... sounds like you should marry her and use that sex to make baby pedes.
Congrats pede!!! There was a huge nofap community on the site that shall not be named. Not sure if it survived the purges. Would be great if they migrated to .win.
When I had a gf I could be pr0n free no problem. But I couldn't take the ridiculous expectations women have of men nowadays, and when they do open their legs, it feels like you're getting paid for your labor, not because she's enjoying it with you.
So why bother? pr0n is free as long as you're not a retard.
Full credit to you. All the best with the triumph, its totally worth it
If having trouble use a 1 inch thick by 1 yard(3 feet) long dowel rod to whack the arms or legs about 5-10 times anytime those thoughts enter your head. It is very effective support mechanism. The first getting rid of just about everything that leads to it.
I say this as someone who has been there. Don't get overconfident. It will be a daily fight. You will stumble at some point. Don't let the eventual fall defeat you. Get up and keep fighting.
Good. I just know that when I said I would quit, I had the same mentality.
After the 5th or 6th time I stumbled, I gave up. I just said to hell with it, this is me I guess. I've lost count of how many times I've had to pull myself back out of the muck. I just don't want to see you throw in the towel. You're on a good road. Don't lose focus. Don't lose hope.
In a few months morning wood will comeback. Some decent evidence that it rewires the brain and cause dopamine tolerance.
Waking up with a kickstand again was an odd and annoying morning.
Like I'm not 14 anymore why is this happening?
Stick to it pede. Don't fret too much when you relapse, just keep on going.
Brave of you to share
The porn cartel is counting on you not to share your story, remember that. As long as people pretend porn is okay it will continue on its path of destruction.
Keep talking, keep being brave. When you are brave it inspires others to be brave
Same as alcohol or tobacco or any other addictive substance. It's ok for some, for others it becomes a highly destructive dependency.
We should treat it as such!
Same. VERY nearly did as well.
It should be treated like a controlled substance -
With online exchanges and cryptocurrencies, websites require photo proof of ID. There is no reason at all it can't be done to porn - Those "are you under 18" checkboxes are a joke.
I disagree with points 1 and 3.
I just think that we need to raise our kids right, with the same Christian values that we had back when this nation was a beacon to the entire world, not... whatever the shit it is today.
Raise your kids great, praise be to God.
The fact is you're dealing with a cartel who is targeting your children with a highly addictive, mind-altering substance. We learned from Prohibition and The Drug War that you can't stop something like this by just outright banning it.
Learn from history - we beat tobacco for a reason. Let's use those tactics, not ones that don't work.
This 100%
Rules and regulations are just going to be broken. Adding more rules will not fix anything. However, if you instead raised kids such that they wouldn't even have the desire to do something, you wouldn't even need a rule preventing it.
I think this should apply to more than just porn as well, like drugs for example. If kids were raised with proper values and knowledge about them, they likely would make much better choices when it comes to substances. None of this "weed is as bad as heroin" crap that just leads to someone trying weed and thinking hmm this isn't bad, and then later trying heroin thinking they were lied to about that as well. Instead teach fact based information with pros and cons of each substance, proper safety, etc.
Knowledge of actions and their consequences, along with the proper view of right and wrong would do so much more than flat out rules stating you can or can't do this or that.
It's an argument I have against actual, genuine, good Christians all the time. That their own experiences with ruinous desires and drives in the past cause them to pull back far too hard in the opposite direction. My stepdad, for instance, was a sleep around druggo in his younger days. Now he's perhaps the best man I've ever met (don't tell him I said that, he's also got a big head,) though still flawed, naturally. But some of his dealings with my brothers and sister as he raised them was too strict, causing them to try and break the reins, which in many ways they did, and in many ways they're still now suffering from those bad youthful decisions. Me, however, I've always been naturally middle of the road introspective.
It's like, if every single thing that a kid does wrong is the most severe sin you could imagine... why think that the things that are big wrong are any more wrong than the small wrong? "Dad, I was home five minutes late" should not be a fight. It should be "Well, next time I want you home by 9:30, not 10. If you can get home by 9:30, we can go back to 10." Shoot, maybe even warn that WILL BE what happens next time. Maybe establish beforehand that 5 minutes late due to traffic is okay, but then that 6 minutes late is actually LATE late, and not "one minute late." You have to be rational and reasonable. Home 5 minutes late is disobedience, yes, maybe wilful, maybe neglectful. But if you go straight to "you're grounded for a month," because you assume that your kid is getting stoned with some whore, well, you're making yourself the enemy, and your kid is going to want to do the things that damage the enemy... which may just be getting stoned with some whore.
There was a quote carved into the local indoctrination center by my old house, which was ironic in its presence, but it was put there generations ago, when people thought. It said that an Educated People are Easy to Govern but Impossible to Rule. And this is what we need. People who are educated in the truth, and in rationality and thinking. Who can hear the plans of their government, and when those plans make sense say "Okay, I assent to that, because it is in the good of the nation," and when those plans propose the kind of oppression and failure that always lead to untold death, say "No, we will not be doing that, and you must now resign or face the wrath of the populace."
Same with kids. When you have kids who understand the consequences of an action or a philosophy, you can say to them "Be home by 10," or "I had friends like that when I was younger, and they led me to do things that hurt me in the long run," or "That girl has Herpes, it's right on her face there, you need to start hanging around with better, or at least smarter, girls," and your kid can go "Well, I disagree, but I understand my lack of experience can not trump your life of experience, so I will defer to that wisdom."
There's a lot of wisdom in that post. Thank you.
Definitely needs photo ID. Anyone young enough may "imprime" off of what they see, meaning they will be attracted to that for the rest of their lives. Animals raised in captivity tend to do this wrong as well if they only have human caretakers.
I'm not positive that giving copies of everyone's photo IDs to a bunch of websites that likely have no idea when it comes to proper security practices is a good idea.
I can already imagine the headlines now. "Such and such porn sites got hacked! Millions of users Driver's Licenses leaked, including histories of videos watched!"
Porn is owned by the same people that control the media. They want you distracted
Woah bub, cool it with the antisemitism, alright?/s
Do they have a squad out in force saying that exact statement right now without the /s? I swear I've seen it a couple of times today.
I would argue masturbation is just as harmful, but in a different way. It encourages complacency and lazyness, instead of motivating men to work out, get a girl, do well in school, ect. And it is also VERY addictive, even without porn. Don't believe me? Go ahead and try it for more than 3 weeks. See what kind of withdrawal symptoms you get.
This is coming from someone who has successfully not masturbated nor watched porn for more than a year. It is not an easy journey by any means, but it is worth it.
Reposting here what I wrote on another thread:
Pornography is used to destabilize society and eradicate masculine energy. Ask yourself why it is free and who is making it that way.
https://nypost.com/2017/08/25/excessive-masturbation-is-hurting-chinas-military/
I’d add the caveat that it’s not really that healthy if you’re in a relationship, but agree with the rest.
A healthy relationship should never leave either party feeling like they need to jerk it to find balance.
It is a cancer and if left unchecked it will lead you down darker and darker paths. Resist the enemy and he will flee from you.
Been porn free two years in February. Feels great being free of that crap. It truly undermines and compromises a man when he falls into the porn hole. Porn is to the soul as sugar is to the teeth.
I got addicted to it when I was 10 because google autofilled something in for me and noone told me it was wrong. Do you think that my brain can ever get back to the path that it should be on or do you think that since I started at such a young age my brain will always have the damage.
I think that people can adapt and recover from anything. For practical advice (and mind you I’m no expert), I’d say:
Be steadfast in the conviction that it’s a terrible evil, because people will try to convince you otherwise. Set a goal of stopping for 3 days, no matter what. Then, at the end of the 3 days, keep going. Find a book about breaking porn addiction (research to find a good one first). Talk to someone you trust about it, a friend, or your pastor. Dragging that shit out into the light will set you on the path of healing. Lean on Jesus, if you’re Christian. You can find men with similar struggles in many faith communities, and having a group of strong Christian men will help carry you and encourage you.
Cultivate a healthy sexual relationship with someone you love, if that’s an option.
If you find that you can’t have a healthy relationship with someone, go to therapy. It will help.
No. I started at 11 and have led a porn addiction group. It takes 2 to 5 years. But you can get clean for sure if you are motivated. Find a chuch porn addiction group.
Finding a church group might be the hardest part. I've been to a few churches in my area and I've yet to find a good one. I remember the one I went to the youth ministry talked about sexual purity and it was seperated into men and womens groups in seperate rooms, and no guys in said or asked any questions, but me about pornography and remain pure to marriage. Maybe I was the only with a problem. I don't know I just would like to find a group of men in real life to relate to and have fellowship in Christ with.
You weren't. At least some were faking. 95%+ of men under 30 will have been regular porn watchers at some point, and a decent % will be addicts. The men at church are no exception.
The people who create the courses that churches do generally try to keep lists of churches who are using them. I live in New Zealand so I only know of one American course, which is called Conquer, maybe you could find it.
In Australia and NZ evangelical parachurch organisations are more active than most churches in this area, possibly it's the same where you are.
All the best pede, I really hope you find a good church.
Amen. Either you're having sex or you're not. You're not supposed to be your own sexual partner.
As a ladypede who’s seen it destroy marriages and the ability of men to relate to women in a normal way, thank you.
It also leads to darker hankerings that lead to the pursuit of illegal/vile Activities.
Women, could just, you know, do their wifely duty? But apparently that's rape now.
I am over 30 and don’t watch porn
Don’t forget that the CCP and CIA fucking love their male citizens to have porn addictions.
Porn/masturbation addictions = lower T, more complacency, more likely to be a fucking cuck when they lock you in your house for a year (just to pull a random, hypothetical example).
Want some evidence? Look up something called “sissy hypnosis.” These videos are fucking created by people who know a thing or two about taking over control of people’s minds.
Those videos should be considered war crimes. Not only do they promote trannies and homosexual behavior, but some of them even promote genocide and rape of whites.
Hunter Biden is living proof
the more sexually "awake" I became, the more I craved sex with someone I loved. one of my closest friends is a well known porn star, at the end of the day she wants what any human wants, true love and one person to care for her. not sure if she'll ever get that now with her "career" choices. ...porn definitely is cancer.
Wise advice, tittysprinkles24
Ha!
Good
Porn is gross. Porn changes you for the worse. You’ll be happier with a loving partner.
My husband doesn’t believe in porn (never has in our many years) and it’s easy to keep him happy. Only two things a man really needs - full stomach and empty jewels.
Not nagging and complaining also help.
Not nagging and complaining is pretty much the ultimate aphrodisiac. Wish more women knew this.
The left has totally destroyed a healthy view of sexuality in much of western society.
Right, but attempting to regulate porn is only going to make it more profitable, and only going to push it more into the black market, like drugs.
If weed is illegal, then in order to FIND weed, you have to deal with people who live outside of the bounds of the law, and that's why it's a "gateway drug", because those people often are selling other drugs as well.
If regular, softcore porn was made illegal, the same thing would happen. To find it, you'd have to go to websites that also deal in child trafficking and other forms of smut.
About the best option is to simply show the negative effects it has on people, and preach against it. Regulating to make it harder only makes it that much more profitable, and only forces it to associate with the more illegal variety
The point really is making it harder for children to "stumble" onto porn.
They should just give parents more ability to block it, really. Phone apps, ISP access to block things. Or the ability to monitor what their kids are doing.
I always laugh when people use "exploitation of women" as one of the key factors that porn is bad. Most women in the west that participate in it do so of their own volition. They are adults who make their own (bad) decisions and are culpable. Stop infantilizing them. And to add, porn keeps the sexual assault rate low according to studies. Many women benefit from the industry, women who'd probably would be prostitutes in the gutters otherwise.
Now if you talk about human trafficking and drugs, that's a different issue entirely that includes but is not exhaustive to pornography alone.
No, if porn has a victim, it's pre-teen children and adults who watch it. And the biggest issue is it robs people of their motivation to improve themselves. It's like having access to free food daily. Desensitization is just an after effect of over-abundance. As for children, it warps their perceptions into being far too undiscriminating as adults. But that's also a symptom of secularization.
dopamine accelerator , also computer games and social media ... u become dopamine junkie. All rest is boring and hard , and u will do it "tomorrow"
What if I told you they went hand in hand
Ding Ding Ding!
A very good family friend quit a very high paying, prestigious job to start a pornography business. She started a genre of porn that is now one of the most sought after. I'm not going to give more details because I don't want to dox her or my family. She paid her performance artists much higher than anyone else and made a shit ton of money. She's retired now and is a healthy well adjusted woman without any hangups.
lol
If porn or any vice takes over your life, it’s not the vice that’s the issue. The addiction to vice is a symptom, not the disease itself.
Yup. Warps the mind. Distracts you. Gives you a dopamine drip for non productive activities. It's absolutely a cancer.
Allow me to get a little personal.
When I was 10 years old, I got my first exposure to porn. My parents weren't tech savvy. I was allowed unrestricted internet access, and parental controls weren't really a thing back then. I was innocently looking for stuff about Pokemon cards, and clicked on some site that had the words "private collection" in the name.
That was the beginning of a long, dark road for me. At first it was just softcore stuff, but over time, I kept being drawn to more extreme stuff. It got to the point where after I got off, I felt physically sickened by what I had seen, but I was addicted. I kept saying I would quit. Sometimes I could last for a few weeks. I think my record was 3 months, but I always caved. I still struggle with it. Hardly a day goes by that I'm not tempted. Sometimes, the temptation is so strong that I want to abandon the fight altogether.
And don't let anyone tell you that it's nobody else's business. It's caused problems with my wife. I would get my rocks off in private and have nothing left for her. It's made the whole thing feel very mechanical to me. There was no emotional component. I'm still trying to get that back.
Why am I telling you all this? To let anyone who's struggling know that they're not alone. A lot of us have been through the same thing. The shame is what makes you feel alone. You're not. It's a hard battle, a daily battle, but it can be fought. I'm fighting it. I'm nothing special. I'm weak. I fail. Still, I fight, and if I can, you can.
The good thing is, unlike cancer it's curable. 5 year survival rates with good treatment and motivation are higher than 80%.
Many churches run porn addiction courses. There are also secular support groups. My life got better in every way when I got off porn. Better moods, better relationship (marriage these days), clean conscience, etc. Most importantly, a clean conscience and peace with God, and new found gratitude for another way he saved me.
It takes 2 to 5 years and there are relapses along the way but you get there in the end. Search for a course today.
We need to bring back playboy magazines
Still harmful and degenerate.
I think it invokes getting creative
degenerate.
Hentai's where it's at nowadays.
Amen and Awomen
It is, but I think it must be pushed on culturally. Pushing back on porn in a legal framework ends up becoming censorship, because the line between porn and are is grey as all fuck
Very true
I don't agree with the depiction of 20yos. It seems they should be wearing cat ears or something.
KEK
Porn is how we got where we are.
My dick needs beating. Fuck off faggot
Point proven
porn is a jew trick - but so is nofap
Wow what a bunch of self loathing cucks this group is turning into.
If porn is cancer then beating your meat counts a domestic abuse .
Stop being shitty parents and watch your kids or put on parental controls.
This is the most Libby shit ever posted.
That's about right. Your retort is expected from someone under heavy addiction.
Lmfao , your retort is of someone suffering from Autism.
That or your Cortex was damaged after being dropped to many times..
Pussy can’t even stop jacking off ..
Don’t have a cigarette..
It’s literal cancer ..
Oh yeah?
Yo moma then, my adorable goblin. May I name you Bob?
Well they unfortunately are insisting that society can be fixed if we play the old game whilst stupidly or naively failing to realize that women aren't playing. What are you if you keep foolishly clinging to a set of rules that the other players refuse to follow? An idiot.
It's a lot like nutless republicans insisting that "we take the high road" while they get ass raped over and over by democrats who don't give a shit about anything but winning.
Addiction is cancer, porn is just one form of addiction. Flip side, no fap/porn makes you a cuck ass bitch that will do anything some wretched ass whore tells you just to get a sniff of her stinky.
Yet another psyop to remove power from men and give it to women.
That's retarded. Master yourself and the rest of the world is manageable.
Retarded was putting it nicely. The window he presented into his mind was a glimpse into total weakness and confusion. Guy needs to work on his self-esteem.
Retarded you say? Why is it that only men are being encouraged to not masturbate? Try to find anything, anywhere that tells women to not masturbate. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Sex, masturbation, wet dream. Your choice. It's coming out one way or another. Save your sheets and crank the pump. Stop begging women for anything, especially sexual relief. Any man that allows a woman that kind of control is a cuck ass bitch.
It’s because of psychology. Marriage studies bear this out. And women should stay away from porn. They aren’t immune to the damaging effects of it, either. Statistically, more men do porn than women.
Not talking about porn but masturbation.
Literally talking about porn.
Literally talking about masturbation.
You do have a problem with comprehension don't you?
Nobody said anything about not masturbating. Watching and getting addicted to porn is the problem. It's important to tell them apart. You can masturbate without watching full HD orgies with your premium phub membership.
I think you just have a problem with real women. Maybe something in your past, maybe you just don't like them. Fine. Just don't say ignorant shit about porn. That shit destroys people man.
Think maybe you have a problem with comprehension?
Where are you even going with this? You're just contradicting your earlier points.
The first quote was from me, second from someone else. Keep up and maybe give up. You're struggling.
Have a good one faggot.
First, you've conflated fap and porn. Second, in most men at most ages, a large component of the "compulsion" is a conditioned reflex. Addictions are just metastasized habits, which are reinforced behaviors.
So behave properly. And I'm no anti-fap crusader. Go ahead, crank it off, I don't care. What's retarded is your strawman that porn is the only way out of slavery. Guess what -- porn CONDITIONS YOU to become a slave.
Nope. I expounded on the OPs original point in saying that addiction was what was unhealthy.
Not sure what conversation you were reading but I never presented any strawmen. You (and the rest of the idiots like you) are arguing that watching porn is going to melt your brain and kill your grandma. As you mentioned, it is the compulsory need that destroys. But this could be alcohol, gambling, porn, sexual addiction, etc.
It is you and your ilk that are conflating.
Men should just get married and have sex with their wives and their wives shouldn't hold out because they're not "in the mood." It is the duty of both spouses to keep each sexually satisfied even if they don't feel like it.
Rights come with responsibilities.
If you want the right of being my only sexual partner, then you have the responsibility of filling my sexual desires if you are physically capable of doing so. Same responsibility for me if I want the right of being your only sexual partner.
It's really that simple.
Amen (and a-women, of course)
Thanks.
Faggot.
You can't call yourself a man if you haven't mastered chastity.
Plus, it’s incredibly attractive to principled women who’ll never leave your side.