Government is, they are the only ones who have unlimited power. Can the government close the bank and audit it, and then put its owners in jail? What can the bank do to the government?
No. The government can't close the bank and audit it if it's a central bank. Look at the Fed. They do whatever they want because they install the government.
Does the fed has an army? Police? If at whatever point the government will wish to close the fed (sure they will not, it only helps them with expanding power) but they will have the ability, while the banks cant do crap to government, they can only do crao to the people. Our fight is with the government, sooner we all realize it, sooner we will begin to curtail its overgrown power. The fed is the extension of the governmental power which needs to go ASAP.
Doesn't sound like Cicero at all, but he had tons of other stuff to say that really does resonate with our current situation. Highly recommend his essays and letters, good stuff.
They did actually, but taxes were paid by town, I.e.: a certain town had to pay x no matter how, Roman state would contract private tax collectors who usually would charge far more than what was required in order to enrich themselves.
I’m pretty sure they did. There were census taken for that exact purpose. Romans also got shit for their tax money- by far the most advanced cities and civilizations up to that point and even for hundreds of years after.
Actually it was its founding. Most people would equate the end of the Republic with the crossing of the Rubicon by Julius Caesar in 49BC. But it's just as hard as trying to figure out exactly when it started as is for when the American Republic turned into an American Empire. My estimate? Sep. 11 2001.
Not really. The Roman Empire started in 27 BC when Octavian declared himself Princeps with Pronconsular Imperium and was named Augustus by the Senate. This isn't controversial.
I would consider the start of the Empire with the anointment of the first emperor which was de facto Julius Caesar. That is also not controversial. Also the distinction of Empire vs Republic is a modern description because Romans themselves were very weary of kings (and was the very reason of Julius Caesar's assassination) and never considered themselves as anything other than a Republic. Therefore my original statement stands in fact regardless of modern academic revisionism.
Cicero was right and a good guy, but Cato was an elitist optimate nasty snob tyrant.
Cicero negotiated a deal where Caesar could run again later for Consul, got the governorship of Illyria (Dalmatia/Yugoslavia area today), and kept one legion.
Cato, like Pelosi, as an ancient family in control wanted Caesar dead, and nothing less, permanently removed, so he could go back to looting public lands reserved for widows and veterans and orphans for his own profit.
I always imagine I would get along with most of the posters on teh donald IRL.
But come on peoples ... you could take the rich , the drunk(or junkie) the doctor and swap around them year to year , month to day to hour . . .depending on the scene.
Dude said ,essentially , this 2000+ years ago.
That is the point.
2000 years ago. Same shit.
Love ya all.
1700+ up-doots.
My son both hates and brags to his friends about his Dad , being able to post something ( anything ) that hits a cord or feels relevant to enough to get any traction .
Banks are at the top of the food chain in this post-fiat currency world.
Government is, they are the only ones who have unlimited power. Can the government close the bank and audit it, and then put its owners in jail? What can the bank do to the government?
The military is always the most powerful tool the government has and they have a monopoly on the legitimate use of force.
No. The government can't close the bank and audit it if it's a central bank. Look at the Fed. They do whatever they want because they install the government.
Does the fed has an army? Police? If at whatever point the government will wish to close the fed (sure they will not, it only helps them with expanding power) but they will have the ability, while the banks cant do crap to government, they can only do crao to the people. Our fight is with the government, sooner we all realize it, sooner we will begin to curtail its overgrown power. The fed is the extension of the governmental power which needs to go ASAP.
Did he actually say that? Language seems a bit clean for a translation.
"Don't believe everything on the internet." - Abraham Lincoln
That quote is exactly why I admire Lincoln.
Close to , if not exact translation. Happy to see other if it is inaccurate ,
Doesn't sound like Cicero at all, but he had tons of other stuff to say that really does resonate with our current situation. Highly recommend his essays and letters, good stuff.
I'm pretty sure Romans of his time period didn't pay taxes.
They did actually, but taxes were paid by town, I.e.: a certain town had to pay x no matter how, Roman state would contract private tax collectors who usually would charge far more than what was required in order to enrich themselves.
They called them publicanus (Pl. Publicani)
Public anus taxes.
Proof the govt is gonna fuck you no matter what
I’m pretty sure they did. There were census taken for that exact purpose. Romans also got shit for their tax money- by far the most advanced cities and civilizations up to that point and even for hundreds of years after.
There was no Roman Empire in 43 BC, it was the Roman Republic
Actually it was its founding. Most people would equate the end of the Republic with the crossing of the Rubicon by Julius Caesar in 49BC. But it's just as hard as trying to figure out exactly when it started as is for when the American Republic turned into an American Empire. My estimate? Sep. 11 2001.
Not really. The Roman Empire started in 27 BC when Octavian declared himself Princeps with Pronconsular Imperium and was named Augustus by the Senate. This isn't controversial.
I would consider the start of the Empire with the anointment of the first emperor which was de facto Julius Caesar. That is also not controversial. Also the distinction of Empire vs Republic is a modern description because Romans themselves were very weary of kings (and was the very reason of Julius Caesar's assassination) and never considered themselves as anything other than a Republic. Therefore my original statement stands in fact regardless of modern academic revisionism.
I don't like this comment. It's true, and I'm pretty sure that's why I don't like it.
Cicero was right and a good guy, but Cato was an elitist optimate nasty snob tyrant.
Cicero negotiated a deal where Caesar could run again later for Consul, got the governorship of Illyria (Dalmatia/Yugoslavia area today), and kept one legion.
Cato, like Pelosi, as an ancient family in control wanted Caesar dead, and nothing less, permanently removed, so he could go back to looting public lands reserved for widows and veterans and orphans for his own profit.
Math checks out
If America is following the fall of the Roman Republic, Trump looks like Tiberius Gracchus.
We can look forward to a Gaius Marius followed by a Julius Caesar in the coming decades.
I always imagine I would get along with most of the posters on teh donald IRL. But come on peoples ... you could take the rich , the drunk(or junkie) the doctor and swap around them year to year , month to day to hour . . .depending on the scene. Dude said ,essentially , this 2000+ years ago. That is the point.
2000 years ago. Same shit. Love ya all.
1700+ up-doots. My son both hates and brags to his friends about his Dad , being able to post something ( anything ) that hits a cord or feels relevant to enough to get any traction .
Ever notice that most politicians are lawyers or bankers??? Get it now.
Shew, I made it to eight.
I think Cicero over-estimated the doctor's status; and woefully under-estimated the banker's...
Got to give him the 2k years . . . but ya.