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p8riot 2 points ago +5 / -3

Musk is being propped up as a good guy. I have a bad feeling.

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easedel 13 points ago +13 / -0

His recent tweet said something along the lines of "A lot of people are going to be super unhappy with West Coast high tech as the de facto arbiter of free speech"

Also said earlier last year it was time to break up amazon

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p8riot 5 points ago +5 / -0

I know, he says things that seem like common sense. Easy to build up good will that way. Also Amazon is a competitor, so there is that.

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I_lost_my_password 10 points ago +11 / -1

Because he IS a good guy. Has always been one to support true freedom. He knows this is why he was able to get to where he is to today. He has stated many times how the freedom of the US allowed him to achieve his dreams. (well on his way to achieving them.)

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Awakened 3 points ago +3 / -0

He’s a real life Tony Stark. Never got the hate for him.

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zee_bear 1 point ago +5 / -4

Except it’s government contracts and support that allowed him to achieve his dreams.

Just like Bozos and Cuckerberg

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jager 7 points ago +7 / -0

That was how Tony Stark got rich too, remember?

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zee_bear 2 points ago +3 / -1

I 'm not quite nerdy enough to know Tony Stark's character history. All I know is that Facebook, Amazon, and SpaceX would have gone bankrupt long ago if not for the government contracts. It's one thing to profit from government contracts; it's another thing entirely to owe your existence/survival to them.

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Pepega 2 points ago +2 / -0

And i used the governments idiotic first time home buyers program that inflated housing costs just like the banks continuing to lower interest rates and inflate home costs to justify peoples willingness to be a slave to multiple 30 year debts just to have a fucking roof all while we get addicted and upgrade multiple times....

Am I a bad person for supporting this system? I don't think so, it's all fake money, who gives a shit.

I also used to talk shit about tesla HARD for the same reason, with some self reflection i realized i was hypocritical. Are the subsidies idiotic, yep, would i have used them to become even a fraction as successful as him? Yep. If he stays the course of common sense and a true independent i'll keep backing him. when he doesn't then i won't blindly follow him.

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zee_bear 2 points ago +2 / -0

Tesla is not a mere company taking subsidies. It's also a ponzi scheme. They fund current operations by getting suckers to put down deposits for cars they have not designed or don't really intend to manufacture. (Like the $30K Model X). The only product they have that is profitable is the energy credits they sell to other car companies. On top of that, they use a multitude of accounting tricks to show profit like Enron. Sooner or later, this deck of cards will fall.

Elon is right about a lot of stuff, and he deserves credit for that. But be real.

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Anachronox 2 points ago +2 / -0

Musk is NOT a good guy.

Family was rich and well connected. He came to first Canada and then US with money. He had an angel investor prior to heading to CA. The one thing he did was Zip2. He sold that and bought into paypal where he made more money.

The below link gives an altered outline of the events at Tesla.

https://meaww.com/elon-musk-tesla-cofounder-lawsuit-settlement-original-founded-martin-eberhard-origin-story-tesla

He basically stole Tesla from its founders. Got in because he had money, but also negotiated himself stipulations that he could have input into the design. From there it was easy for him to keep making changes that prevented them from reaching production. When they ran out of money he bought the company and fired the founders. BILLIONAIRES DO THAT SHIT ALL THE TIME. Now, Tesla has only become "successful" because the government is mandating automakers to reach a certain amount of energy credits each year. Since competitors weren't producing EV's yet, they had to buy the credits off Tesla.
And this wasn't a matter of legacy auto being greedy or lazy. It was an issue of having to design and then build the means of production for an entirely different vehicle while simultaneously supporting your core market and workforce. By definition this policy favored Tesla right out of the gate and punished legacy auto manufacturers. Hmmm, I wonder if a billionaire like Elon could have had anything to do with that?

Also look up solar city. Huge scam. Awful company. Lot of government contracts. https://www.consumeraffairs.com/solar-energy/solarcity.html

Space X however seems to be not as horrible as everything else and are one of the few co's pushing us back toward the stars. But that is also taxpayer money funding that company.

Okay, I'm done.

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p8riot 2 points ago +2 / -0

Ironically Spacex is launching 15,000 low orbit satellites (currently only 5k total) that astronomers are complaining will make observation of the cosmos more difficult.

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Anachronox 1 point ago +1 / -0

Filling the night sky up with more junk.

Recommended reading for anyone that wants to understand Musk and how he operates:

https://www.plainsite.org/realitycheck/tsla.pdf

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Peachykeen74 1 point ago +1 / -0

it's interesting that he's anti de-population talk.

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Illah88zillah 1 point ago +1 / -0

Gut feeling is he creeps me out. Transhumanism creeps me out