This is actually against federal law, they need to keep those envelopes for 20 months. The system is so broken that nobody will bother to fucking enforce it.
Agree. Also, sending unsolicited ballots to everyone in a state creates an obvious opportunity for fraud. The Dems have pushed the envelope so far on voting laws that we have to fight to return things back to the way they were, which was still exceedingly poor. Currently, it's trivial for a motivated group with common goals to tilt the scales in their favor. The results before 2020 were barely credible. There was always some level of fraud and Dems resisted any attempt at reform (voter ID, verification checks, required in-person voting, etc.). The voting result in 2020 is not credible. If you win under a process that is simple to defraud, the result is unreliable and untrustworthy.
I live near Philly, and after the SCOTUS ordered them to segregate late arriving ballots, so they could be removed from the count if SCOTUS later ruled they should not count, local TV had a reporter interviewing a ghetto queen poll worker who was sitting at a table separating the ballots from their envelopes, throwing each into different bins - reporter asks her 'why aren't you keeping these 2 things together as the court's order requires them to be kept together?' ghetto queen's response was to look at him with disgust and say 'because I don't have to'. WTF Alito didn't bring the hammer down on this shit, idk.
It was broadcast on local FOX tv in philly before election day. wtf difference does it make that it's 'evidence'? Who you going to show it to that will do anything about it? Does Justice Alito not own a television set?
Only evidence and truth can show who is right. We are going to show this to as many as possible. That is how we fight and win this. Let them never forget the steal, let them never normalize this. Don't loose faith. Keep fighting!
The tweets are old, however the issue is still unresolved and thus pertinent. Even though it's after the 6th, and for that matter even after Jan 20th - we absolutely must forensically audit this dirty election. Saying "it's too late" is not helpful, because it's never too late to denounce a lie and tell the truth. If enough Americans know the truth and get mad about it, the Democrats WILL be put in their place.
Disclaimer: I still hope Trump has an ace up his sleeve. He does what he can, we do what we can.
There's also legal precedents that voting fraud is not prosecuted, and fraudsters are not ever held accountable. See SCOTUS opinion in Deep State vs. Fuck You.
Yeah, but it is too late if they wipe the machines like they did on GA and MI and shred the evidence like they did everywhere they perpetrated fraud. POTUS should have declared martial law at 12:01 a.m. Nov. 4th and sent troops in to secure the machines / ballots and provide oversight where observers had been thrown out - I stayed up all night and knew wtf was going on when the counting stopped and restarted at 3 a.m. Trump could have had federal marshalls waiting at the curb when those trucks full of machine printed Biden only ballots were being delivered, and proven indisputably that the dems conspired to rig the elections.
Exactly. A ballot is a piece of evidence that is only valid if chain of custody wasn't broken and all rules were followed. For millions of counted ballots there is no proof they were cast legally by legal voters. And there wasn't enough security to prevent throwing out ballots. Forget trying to prove switching votes on a foreign server. There is no evidence there was even an election.
Tampering with evidence is a felony. It’s really easy to make that case stick in an instance like this if they are shredded. Another charge that’s easy to stick is keeping all ballot documents and images stored and intact for at least 22 months or 24 months after the election, whichever it is.
To be fair, I don't know whether Philadelphia shredded its envelopes - another commenter cast doubt on that saying it was just a random claim on Twitter. However I don't know that Philly denied it, and in any case we need a forensic audit.
To your point, I wish they were afraid of felony charges. Unfortunately it's likely they are more like the Michigan Secretary of State who ordered all the digital records deleted even in the presence of lawsuits and significant doubt. They just don't care, and they fully expect to get away with it.
And the elected officials dont give a fuck what the people have to say because they keep their power. What fraud? That's just hearsay! Move along, nothing to see here.
WHY WOULD THEY!? They probably did not destroy envelopes, but they don't need to say that because THEY LOVE OUR DISINFORMATION.
The Dems were very concerned that we would figure out signature verification, that's their tool, that's what they use to disqualify elections.
... THEY FUCKING LOVED trolls like this, trolls like Wood, trolls like Infowars and Powell and that General. They knew the second the converstation turned to the retards, that they won the election.
All we had to do was read, understand, and advocate for the totally normal things we could have got. Instead.... FIRE FIGHTS IN GERMANY BETWEEN SEALTEAM6 AND THE CIA!!!!
The best thing they could do, and did, was allow the trolls. Because it all hurt us.
I agree that the wild conspiracy theories didn't help. But what makes you think they would have granted signature audits, or proper signature reviews during the canvassing?
What could we have done differently to win, with entrenched Democrat executive branches in these swing states - plus Georgia playing footsie with Stacey Abrams?
20,000 people outside the statehouse with a FUCKING CLEAR message would have done it.
Instead.... we were all over bullshit.
Ok, if you want to say Abrams is the Shadow Gov of GA... COOL. PA, MI, AZ, WI also could have been corrected with CLEAR and IN PERSON messaging. Instead..... CIA FIREFIGHT WITH SEALTEAM6 OVER A DOMINION SEVER IN FRANFURT OWNED BY THE CHINESE.
We allowed ourselves to be distracted with some shiny bullshit, when there was real work to do.
I hear what you're saying. And I didn't mean shadow governor per se, but all the secret legal agreements the GA SoS made with Abrams' group changed mail-in ballot handling procedures to enable fraud.
You think 20K people outside the statehouse would have made them act? Maybe. Makes a heck of a lot more sense than anything in or around the US Capitol. We needed to audit the election in the dirty blue cities, not grandstand in Washington, DC.
Also possible the cheaters would have held the line regardless of what we did. They do have solid motivation to refuse the audit. If the Dem cheating was exposed, it would have destroyed the Democrat party for at least a couple presidential cycles. They would have to be dragged kicking and screaming into a forensic audit.
Speaking of which - I predict the "forensic audit" happening in MI will be performed by a Soros affiliated organization, which will find that this was the safest and most secure election in history.
If only there were some legal process to verify such claims, maybe some process that was repeatedly denied by the narrowest of legal technicalities and judicial interpretations.
Well, as I'm aware no process exists, so we have no choice but to believe everything was completely above-board despite our lying eyes and ears.
We should all take a moment to turn inward and learn from November 3rd's anti-Trump referendum in which Trump gained 5 million votes over 2016.
Good point. It's like in the Michigan hearings, when a masked white male Democrat lawmaker asked the black female Republican witness about fixing Wayne County irregularities through new legislation. She very properly threw it back in his face - no new legislation is needed, they just need to enforce the existing legislation and stop turning a blind eye to breaking the law. I would say it's the soft bigotry of low expectations, but it's worse than that, because the Dems are relying on this cheating to win.
Well, without the ballots the result of the election is not provable. You can't reproduce it, so you can't prove that Biden won. Let's take them to court.
Caution: my claim in the summary may be unsubstantiated per a pede here. But that is also sort of the point - we know it was a dirty election, and we need meaningful (thus adversarial) forensic auditing of all these cities with irregularities.
That's funny, I just found 10 million Trump ballots each in AZ, MI, WI, and PA but they fell into a furnace after I counted them. But I swear they existed, so you're obligated to count them.
If we have laws that are selectively enforced, then we don't have laws, we don't even have a country, so for all the apologists saying the what happened at the capitol was bad (of course I'm referring to cuckservatives), how can we live in the same country if the laws don't apply ALL THE TIME? Serious question, what are we gonna do about this to get justice for all the laws that were blatantly broken and disregarded, because outside of playing Minecraft after this fake cheating dementia pedo is inaugurated (last resort), I don't see how we can let this shit slide, it means we are basically slaves to some elites and they can do whatever they want, and I don't know about y'all, but that isn't a country I'd like to live in, there's a reason we live here and not in Ukraine, China, Russia, Nigeria etc where elections mean nothing. If we're not transparently choosing our leaders and reps, then we are being RULED by unanswerable dictators, and these ones are laughing in our faces while they get away with it. If we allow that to happen, our founding fathers, and every fallen vet will be crying, rolling over, and pulling their hair and teeth out in their graves to see that we let this happen in the country they died for to give freedom, just saying
Im not sure which I am more baffled at, the fact that there is SO MUCH corruption, that this happened and nobody looked into it, or the fact there are SO MANY corrupt people involved, they all decided it was ok and we just keep moving along.
We are now living in a lawless country. Why even have an election or congress?
Wake up , they don't need to . Since the envelope gets detached from the ballot all it takes is ONE corrupt official to do a switch of the ballots. Example GA military ballots, take real ballot , check signature, tear away, put in box for "counting", ballots get switched out before counting. No software, not complex , doesn't even require a vast conspiracy . Maybe 4-10 people total in MI,WI,PA and AZ to throw the entire election.
Yeah. That's where there are supposed to be measures preventing this, e.g. printing only on special, traceable paper, and keeping detailed track of those supplies.
It all means nothing unless you have political observers from the other side, though. The corruption, lies, and denial of the obvious are absolutely maddening. SCOTUS should have fixed this. I think POTUS might have fixed it, if he could have. Speculating that Trump realized he couldn't, because 99% of the career employees and agents of the federal government are filthy, woke Democrats.
Old thread snap, Georgia shredded their ballots too, in direct violation of State and Federal laws. The entire judicial and legislative system is in the bag. Heck, even the State Reps and State Senators don't even have the balls to call this out. SCOTUS wont hear it, FBI/DOJ wont act. MSM won't talk about it. The only place you hear about it is from Trump and social media like this. Thats why they're censoring DJT and shutting down social media.
Yeah. I don't completely know what to do about this. You can't use truth to convince a fraud to change; you must instead remove the fraud from his position of influence.
One of the things we MUST do is keep red pilling people. Part of that is having lots of kids and raising them yourself, rather than letting Hillary's Village People inculcate leftist values in them. We need to continue Trump's inroads into the black and hispanic communities and bring even more folks on board with the politics of self reliance, patriotism, and respect for American freedoms.
Guys. Everyone needs to wake up. This situations is no longer solvable by voting or by "elected representatives". We KNOW they are cheating in elections. That means the very people that are supposed to solve the problem might be in their position BECAUSE of election fraud. You are asking the fox guarding the hen house to explain why there is a missing chicken. Its insanity.
There is only two paths. 1- They arrest tons of people,restore faith, change the election machines for ones that work, and we have a do over. 2- We have a serious 1776 style revolution and overthrow these lunatics. Path 3- is slavery and a communist dictatorship.
It is of course orthodox American political philosophy that taxation without representation is grounds for overthrowing your government, and all Americans should see that statement as non controversial. Election cheating is a violation of that political compact between the governors and the governed.
We can recognize that here in an abstract way, but the mods have made clear there is to be no concrete discussion or organization of anything, ah... kinetic.
Elections need to have safeguards. An election without safeguards simply isn't credible.
Ballot drop boxes with no ID verification and no signature match means people won't trust the result.
This is actually against federal law, they need to keep those envelopes for 20 months. The system is so broken that nobody will bother to fucking enforce it.
Agree. Also, sending unsolicited ballots to everyone in a state creates an obvious opportunity for fraud. The Dems have pushed the envelope so far on voting laws that we have to fight to return things back to the way they were, which was still exceedingly poor. Currently, it's trivial for a motivated group with common goals to tilt the scales in their favor. The results before 2020 were barely credible. There was always some level of fraud and Dems resisted any attempt at reform (voter ID, verification checks, required in-person voting, etc.). The voting result in 2020 is not credible. If you win under a process that is simple to defraud, the result is unreliable and untrustworthy.
An election without safeguards might as well be a Twitter poll.
I live near Philly, and after the SCOTUS ordered them to segregate late arriving ballots, so they could be removed from the count if SCOTUS later ruled they should not count, local TV had a reporter interviewing a ghetto queen poll worker who was sitting at a table separating the ballots from their envelopes, throwing each into different bins - reporter asks her 'why aren't you keeping these 2 things together as the court's order requires them to be kept together?' ghetto queen's response was to look at him with disgust and say 'because I don't have to'. WTF Alito didn't bring the hammer down on this shit, idk.
This is evidence. Do you have a link where I can see this?
It was broadcast on local FOX tv in philly before election day. wtf difference does it make that it's 'evidence'? Who you going to show it to that will do anything about it? Does Justice Alito not own a television set?
Only evidence and truth can show who is right. We are going to show this to as many as possible. That is how we fight and win this. Let them never forget the steal, let them never normalize this. Don't loose faith. Keep fighting!
Riggers gonna rig
Let's see what a military court has to say. Bet it's you better find that shit or you ain't got shit.
In a nation with 2 parties, with very few truly neutral people,
why the FUCK would you just trust anyone with the election.
PROVE you followed all the rules or we assume fraud.
it's not a criminal court of the state possibly arresting some innocent nobody,
It's the state needing to provide some basic paperwork to prove they ARENT fucking over the innocent nobody.
Disappointing that the replies are talking as if the process is ongoing and there's still a chance.
The tweets are old, however the issue is still unresolved and thus pertinent. Even though it's after the 6th, and for that matter even after Jan 20th - we absolutely must forensically audit this dirty election. Saying "it's too late" is not helpful, because it's never too late to denounce a lie and tell the truth. If enough Americans know the truth and get mad about it, the Democrats WILL be put in their place.
Disclaimer: I still hope Trump has an ace up his sleeve. He does what he can, we do what we can.
They have to keep the envelopes and ballots for 22 months.
Even if it takes a year, it's worth doing but . . . .
Who would audit the dirty election? The people who committed the fraud?
IANAL, but isn't there a legal precedent that destruction of evidence is admissable as evidence of guilt?
There's also legal precedents that voting fraud is not prosecuted, and fraudsters are not ever held accountable. See SCOTUS opinion in Deep State vs. Fuck You.
Spoliation of evidence, yes.
The military
Yeah, but it is too late if they wipe the machines like they did on GA and MI and shred the evidence like they did everywhere they perpetrated fraud. POTUS should have declared martial law at 12:01 a.m. Nov. 4th and sent troops in to secure the machines / ballots and provide oversight where observers had been thrown out - I stayed up all night and knew wtf was going on when the counting stopped and restarted at 3 a.m. Trump could have had federal marshalls waiting at the curb when those trucks full of machine printed Biden only ballots were being delivered, and proven indisputably that the dems conspired to rig the elections.
November 11th
Oops I read that as 1/11.
It's from November 11th.
I thought Pennsylvania as a whole basically went around their legislature and removed the signature validation requirements???
If this is true then they are no longer counting votes, they are just counting papers.
psssh... this honestly seems like so long ago now.
They literally stole every single branch of government, and laughed in our faces and called us terrorists while doing it.
Exactly. A ballot is a piece of evidence that is only valid if chain of custody wasn't broken and all rules were followed. For millions of counted ballots there is no proof they were cast legally by legal voters. And there wasn't enough security to prevent throwing out ballots. Forget trying to prove switching votes on a foreign server. There is no evidence there was even an election.
Philly just poisoned their well. So sad. Throw out all the mail votes if envelope counts don’t match the ballots.
Tampering with evidence is a felony. It’s really easy to make that case stick in an instance like this if they are shredded. Another charge that’s easy to stick is keeping all ballot documents and images stored and intact for at least 22 months or 24 months after the election, whichever it is.
To be fair, I don't know whether Philadelphia shredded its envelopes - another commenter cast doubt on that saying it was just a random claim on Twitter. However I don't know that Philly denied it, and in any case we need a forensic audit.
To your point, I wish they were afraid of felony charges. Unfortunately it's likely they are more like the Michigan Secretary of State who ordered all the digital records deleted even in the presence of lawsuits and significant doubt. They just don't care, and they fully expect to get away with it.
And the elected officials dont give a fuck what the people have to say because they keep their power. What fraud? That's just hearsay! Move along, nothing to see here.
FUCK YOU MAN
Just a reminder the David Chapman is literally nobody, just some dude on Twitter who made a claim.
There has been absolutely no evidence presented of this ever.
There isn’t a single corroborating source, not a single news article.
Some dude wrote some bullshit on Twitter, and got Eric Trump to retweet it, and to retards it became fact.
THIS IS HOW WE LOST. We got played, sometimes by ourselves. Understand this! This is how we lost. And you are still doing it.
Did Philadelphia deny this claim?
How have you not figured this out yet?
WHY WOULD THEY!? They probably did not destroy envelopes, but they don't need to say that because THEY LOVE OUR DISINFORMATION.
The Dems were very concerned that we would figure out signature verification, that's their tool, that's what they use to disqualify elections.
... THEY FUCKING LOVED trolls like this, trolls like Wood, trolls like Infowars and Powell and that General. They knew the second the converstation turned to the retards, that they won the election.
All we had to do was read, understand, and advocate for the totally normal things we could have got. Instead.... FIRE FIGHTS IN GERMANY BETWEEN SEALTEAM6 AND THE CIA!!!!
The best thing they could do, and did, was allow the trolls. Because it all hurt us.
I agree that the wild conspiracy theories didn't help. But what makes you think they would have granted signature audits, or proper signature reviews during the canvassing?
What could we have done differently to win, with entrenched Democrat executive branches in these swing states - plus Georgia playing footsie with Stacey Abrams?
20,000 people outside the statehouse with a FUCKING CLEAR message would have done it.
Instead.... we were all over bullshit.
Ok, if you want to say Abrams is the Shadow Gov of GA... COOL. PA, MI, AZ, WI also could have been corrected with CLEAR and IN PERSON messaging. Instead..... CIA FIREFIGHT WITH SEALTEAM6 OVER A DOMINION SEVER IN FRANFURT OWNED BY THE CHINESE.
We allowed ourselves to be distracted with some shiny bullshit, when there was real work to do.
I hear what you're saying. And I didn't mean shadow governor per se, but all the secret legal agreements the GA SoS made with Abrams' group changed mail-in ballot handling procedures to enable fraud.
You think 20K people outside the statehouse would have made them act? Maybe. Makes a heck of a lot more sense than anything in or around the US Capitol. We needed to audit the election in the dirty blue cities, not grandstand in Washington, DC.
Also possible the cheaters would have held the line regardless of what we did. They do have solid motivation to refuse the audit. If the Dem cheating was exposed, it would have destroyed the Democrat party for at least a couple presidential cycles. They would have to be dragged kicking and screaming into a forensic audit.
Speaking of which - I predict the "forensic audit" happening in MI will be performed by a Soros affiliated organization, which will find that this was the safest and most secure election in history.
If only there were some legal process to verify such claims, maybe some process that was repeatedly denied by the narrowest of legal technicalities and judicial interpretations.
Well, as I'm aware no process exists, so we have no choice but to believe everything was completely above-board despite our lying eyes and ears.
We should all take a moment to turn inward and learn from November 3rd's anti-Trump referendum in which Trump gained 5 million votes over 2016.
All of these signatures are just an illusion of security. There's no point to these safeguards if no one is planning to audit
Good point. It's like in the Michigan hearings, when a masked white male Democrat lawmaker asked the black female Republican witness about fixing Wayne County irregularities through new legislation. She very properly threw it back in his face - no new legislation is needed, they just need to enforce the existing legislation and stop turning a blind eye to breaking the law. I would say it's the soft bigotry of low expectations, but it's worse than that, because the Dems are relying on this cheating to win.
Well, without the ballots the result of the election is not provable. You can't reproduce it, so you can't prove that Biden won. Let's take them to court.
Caution: my claim in the summary may be unsubstantiated per a pede here. But that is also sort of the point - we know it was a dirty election, and we need meaningful (thus adversarial) forensic auditing of all these cities with irregularities.
There was no fraud. Because I say so, that's why.
That's funny, I just found 10 million Trump ballots each in AZ, MI, WI, and PA but they fell into a furnace after I counted them. But I swear they existed, so you're obligated to count them.
If we have laws that are selectively enforced, then we don't have laws, we don't even have a country, so for all the apologists saying the what happened at the capitol was bad (of course I'm referring to cuckservatives), how can we live in the same country if the laws don't apply ALL THE TIME? Serious question, what are we gonna do about this to get justice for all the laws that were blatantly broken and disregarded, because outside of playing Minecraft after this fake cheating dementia pedo is inaugurated (last resort), I don't see how we can let this shit slide, it means we are basically slaves to some elites and they can do whatever they want, and I don't know about y'all, but that isn't a country I'd like to live in, there's a reason we live here and not in Ukraine, China, Russia, Nigeria etc where elections mean nothing. If we're not transparently choosing our leaders and reps, then we are being RULED by unanswerable dictators, and these ones are laughing in our faces while they get away with it. If we allow that to happen, our founding fathers, and every fallen vet will be crying, rolling over, and pulling their hair and teeth out in their graves to see that we let this happen in the country they died for to give freedom, just saying
FUCK PHILLY AND ALL WHO INHABIT HER.
It's a cesspool of corruption. It's sad that Philly and similarly morally bankrupt political machines can swing national elections.
War
Im not sure which I am more baffled at, the fact that there is SO MUCH corruption, that this happened and nobody looked into it, or the fact there are SO MANY corrupt people involved, they all decided it was ok and we just keep moving along.
We are now living in a lawless country. Why even have an election or congress?
so much curruption
They did...because the people they proved it to are all part of the swamp.
Liberty truth and the rule of law are antiquated concepts that have no place in President Kamala's brave new world.
Just a reminder that the supreme court told them they have to not do this days before they did it.
Wake up , they don't need to . Since the envelope gets detached from the ballot all it takes is ONE corrupt official to do a switch of the ballots. Example GA military ballots, take real ballot , check signature, tear away, put in box for "counting", ballots get switched out before counting. No software, not complex , doesn't even require a vast conspiracy . Maybe 4-10 people total in MI,WI,PA and AZ to throw the entire election.
Yeah. That's where there are supposed to be measures preventing this, e.g. printing only on special, traceable paper, and keeping detailed track of those supplies.
It all means nothing unless you have political observers from the other side, though. The corruption, lies, and denial of the obvious are absolutely maddening. SCOTUS should have fixed this. I think POTUS might have fixed it, if he could have. Speculating that Trump realized he couldn't, because 99% of the career employees and agents of the federal government are filthy, woke Democrats.
None of this meant a fucking thing. No law, no courts, no votes.
Not anymore
Old thread snap, Georgia shredded their ballots too, in direct violation of State and Federal laws. The entire judicial and legislative system is in the bag. Heck, even the State Reps and State Senators don't even have the balls to call this out. SCOTUS wont hear it, FBI/DOJ wont act. MSM won't talk about it. The only place you hear about it is from Trump and social media like this. Thats why they're censoring DJT and shutting down social media.
Philadelphia: Well we won, so get use to it :P
Yeah. I don't completely know what to do about this. You can't use truth to convince a fraud to change; you must instead remove the fraud from his position of influence.
One of the things we MUST do is keep red pilling people. Part of that is having lots of kids and raising them yourself, rather than letting Hillary's Village People inculcate leftist values in them. We need to continue Trump's inroads into the black and hispanic communities and bring even more folks on board with the politics of self reliance, patriotism, and respect for American freedoms.
I think they should have thumb prints. We do it for getting IDs now. You could scan the fingerprint on the envelope and match it to the name.
Do they not have a legally mandated timetable where they can't destroy the ballots or envelopes like almost every other state?
Very well said OP!
Guys. Everyone needs to wake up. This situations is no longer solvable by voting or by "elected representatives". We KNOW they are cheating in elections. That means the very people that are supposed to solve the problem might be in their position BECAUSE of election fraud. You are asking the fox guarding the hen house to explain why there is a missing chicken. Its insanity.
There is only two paths. 1- They arrest tons of people,restore faith, change the election machines for ones that work, and we have a do over. 2- We have a serious 1776 style revolution and overthrow these lunatics. Path 3- is slavery and a communist dictatorship.
It is of course orthodox American political philosophy that taxation without representation is grounds for overthrowing your government, and all Americans should see that statement as non controversial. Election cheating is a violation of that political compact between the governors and the governed.
We can recognize that here in an abstract way, but the mods have made clear there is to be no concrete discussion or organization of anything, ah... kinetic.