I don't think it makes logical sense at all. One has to have no historical understanding to believe that the reason they enumerated the list of reasons one could vote absentee in the constitution wasn't precisely to encapsulate every valid reason to vote absentee.
And while I agree with you that Republicans didn't question their own law, the constitutionality of Title 77 is not what most people are concerned about. It's that Title 77 itself was further modified by the PA Supreme Court. That's the big question in this election that SCOTUS cowardly failed to address: Do officials such as Secretaries of State and courts such as the biased PA Supreme Court have the authority to modify elections laws?
I think in some ways you are allowing the your family to distract you. The onus is not upon us to prove fraud occurred.
The onus was upon law enforcement to investigate things like the truck driver shipping ballots from NY to PA or the USPS whistleblowers saying they were ordered to illegally backdate ballots. They failed.
The onus was upon the courts to adjudicate these issues rather than dismissing cases on procedural grounds. They failed.
The onus was on county and state officials to preserve evidence and conduct audits such as signature matches. They failed.
The onus was upon courts and others to order that voting software and other voting machine internals cannot be proprietary and must be auditable. They failed.
What you should be arguing to your family is that we were not allowed to look and therefore the election can't be trusted. Compare virtually any aspect of this to 2000 / Bush v. Gore where multiple recounts and audits were allowed even well after the election. That's the question. Why can't we look???
Do you have reference(s) that provide the historical understanding?
Apparently, the truck driver claim was investigated by election officials. I assume it wasn't investigated by LE because there was no indication that laws had been broken.
Wow, you really still believe these fake "fact checks" from MSM sources? Jesse Morgan disagrees. He said all law enforcement wanted to do when they interviewed him was question his motives etc. Totally uninterested in investigating the alleged crime itself of transporting those ballots across state lines or the missing trailer.
Also, the NYT bombshell about "disavowal" was also completely false. Watch the Project Veritas videos immediately after where the guy says NYT should retract the story and he never disavowed. They even released a full recording of the struggle session the USPS OIG agent put him through. Guess they didn't expect him to be wearing a wire. In fact, this incident alone shows how utterly politically biased the USPS was.
Refer to the Carter-Baker Report of 2005, which states "Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud". This understanding is the reason PA and other states didn't just allow anyone to do it.
Yeah, I know about the denial of the USPS worker disavowal. I personally put this in the category of "who really knows" at this point. Other news outlets claim that Project Veritas actually wrote the postal worker's claim in the first place. In any case, it's hardly damning proof of anything without any hard evidence of ballot backdating.
The Carter-Baker Report also said with proper safeguards, there was little evidence of voter fraud with mail-in voting. In May, the Carter Center urged federal and state governments to expand access to vote-by-mail options.
One has to have no historical understanding to believe that the reason they enumerated the list of reasons one could vote absentee in the constitution wasn't precisely to encapsulate every valid reason to vote absentee.
Exactly, and I think the easiest way to "see" this is to imagine the constitution WITHOUT the absentee voting clause. Nobody would conclude then that absentee voting is allowed (since the other language, in context, clearly says it MUST be in-person). The absentee voting clause is an EXCEPTION, and by definition an exception isn't a floor to the rules, rather it provides a higher ceiling.
I don't think it makes logical sense at all. One has to have no historical understanding to believe that the reason they enumerated the list of reasons one could vote absentee in the constitution wasn't precisely to encapsulate every valid reason to vote absentee.
And while I agree with you that Republicans didn't question their own law, the constitutionality of Title 77 is not what most people are concerned about. It's that Title 77 itself was further modified by the PA Supreme Court. That's the big question in this election that SCOTUS cowardly failed to address: Do officials such as Secretaries of State and courts such as the biased PA Supreme Court have the authority to modify elections laws?
I think in some ways you are allowing the your family to distract you. The onus is not upon us to prove fraud occurred.
The onus was upon law enforcement to investigate things like the truck driver shipping ballots from NY to PA or the USPS whistleblowers saying they were ordered to illegally backdate ballots. They failed.
The onus was upon the courts to adjudicate these issues rather than dismissing cases on procedural grounds. They failed.
The onus was on county and state officials to preserve evidence and conduct audits such as signature matches. They failed.
The onus was upon courts and others to order that voting software and other voting machine internals cannot be proprietary and must be auditable. They failed.
What you should be arguing to your family is that we were not allowed to look and therefore the election can't be trusted. Compare virtually any aspect of this to 2000 / Bush v. Gore where multiple recounts and audits were allowed even well after the election. That's the question. Why can't we look???
Do you have reference(s) that provide the historical understanding?
Apparently, the truck driver claim was investigated by election officials. I assume it wasn't investigated by LE because there was no indication that laws had been broken.
https://factcheck.thedispatch.com/p/fact-check-explaining-the-claims
The postal worked claims about backdated ballots were later disavowed (sorry about the MSM reference).
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/12/us/a-pennsylvania-postal-worker-withdrew-a-claim-that-ballots-were-backdated-officials-say.html
What happened with Roger Stone's claim that North Korean smuggled ballots into Maine? I can't find any information about that investigation.
Wow, you really still believe these fake "fact checks" from MSM sources? Jesse Morgan disagrees. He said all law enforcement wanted to do when they interviewed him was question his motives etc. Totally uninterested in investigating the alleged crime itself of transporting those ballots across state lines or the missing trailer.
Also, the NYT bombshell about "disavowal" was also completely false. Watch the Project Veritas videos immediately after where the guy says NYT should retract the story and he never disavowed. They even released a full recording of the struggle session the USPS OIG agent put him through. Guess they didn't expect him to be wearing a wire. In fact, this incident alone shows how utterly politically biased the USPS was.
As the a reference for historical understanding, it has been understood for a long time that absentee voting is not intended to be unconditional (and for obvious reasons). Refer to this PA statute for example which enumerates the reasons one can vote absentee: https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=25&div=0&chpt=33
Refer to the Carter-Baker Report of 2005, which states "Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud". This understanding is the reason PA and other states didn't just allow anyone to do it.
Yeah, I know about the denial of the USPS worker disavowal. I personally put this in the category of "who really knows" at this point. Other news outlets claim that Project Veritas actually wrote the postal worker's claim in the first place. In any case, it's hardly damning proof of anything without any hard evidence of ballot backdating.
The Carter-Baker Report also said with proper safeguards, there was little evidence of voter fraud with mail-in voting. In May, the Carter Center urged federal and state governments to expand access to vote-by-mail options.
https://cartercenter.org/news/pr/2020/united-states-050620.html
I'm going to pop out of this thread at this point before I ask one-too-many questions and really piss people off. Thanks to everyone for the info.
Third party here. Well said.
Exactly, and I think the easiest way to "see" this is to imagine the constitution WITHOUT the absentee voting clause. Nobody would conclude then that absentee voting is allowed (since the other language, in context, clearly says it MUST be in-person). The absentee voting clause is an EXCEPTION, and by definition an exception isn't a floor to the rules, rather it provides a higher ceiling.