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oshead 20 points ago +20 / -0

Nope, they actually believe this. It's called counter messaging. When they are being accused of something, don't respond to it but the virtue signal back out to your followers. This message is not for us. It's for leftards and commie bastards. It's what they want to hear.

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Ninjatude 1 point ago +1 / -0

You've opened my eyes, man.

All this "Yeah but Trump is an [insert slur here]" has been countermessaging from the start.

Actually, it makes sense why they keep going with the weak virtue signals now.

At this point, gay people have all the same rights in the US. So why keep going with the "bake us a cake" levels of craziness? It's because they can just keep saying "yeah but gay people deserve the same rights" and know that people will generally agree, despite the fact that it's already been done.

It makes sense why they're pushing illegals' rights, because most people would agree that immigrants shouldn't be subject to prejudice. They conflate an innocuous, mass held opinion with a radical idea, not because they want to make progress on the radical idea, but so they can keep pushing the conflated but generally agreed on opinion.

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oshead 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yep, you nailed it. So everything is a negotiation. That is a negotiation of ideas and ideologies. You push for the extreme to find the outcome you really desire. Whoever want's it more or is most powerful usually gets to be victor.

It's pretty similar to a when you haggle with a street trader. You go an look at some item on a stall. The trader says $50. Only a fool would pay $50 but you're not a fool and you know his game. But you are reasonable and you decide to play his game. So you counter with $5. Once this game starts, you both know you'll end up at around the $20 to $30 mark. Depending which side is the most desperate or which side has the best hand.

That's why the GOP folding like they have is so dangerous. They have put us in a position where we have a weak hand. So imagine the street trader could put as high a price on whatever they want and you're either too desperate or too weak to do anything about it.

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Ninjatude 1 point ago +1 / -0

I would argue it doesn't matter until you put pen on paper. Everything is fluid. Verbal agreements, handshake deals mean nothing.

What i was saying is that thr left pushes their extreme left views so that they can repeat the same "slightly left of center" arguments, even though those agreements are moot because we've conceded on those issues.

Ex: We are a pro-abortion country due to roe v wade. Abortion legal until 3rd trimester. Why do dems keep pushing the issue for 3rd trimester abortion? Because they want to push "women's rights" even though those rights have already been established.

How do we use this same tactic against them to redpill? Would it even work without a daily propoganda machine like the NYT/CNN/NBC/CBS/ABC/Twitter/Facebook?