I've seen nothing all night til the last 10 minutes. I started putting chatter together and it dawned on me.
Lots of people are saying they saw the two of them laughing as they left the West wing along with several high military leaders. There are posts saying Trump spoke to staffers of himself in terms of Lincoln and his reelection sparking a war. He spoke about his great wall in Alamo, Texas. Obviously it is not THE Alamo of history, but it is HIS Alamo. The city based on America's Last Stand, All the same. Trump's Last Stand.
Add to that, there were hints of reports of ongoing operations yesterday, a militarized DC, the Joint Chiefs openly defying him, Pence playing Judas (yet Trump seen laughing and joking with him afterwards), the hurried impeachments crap, Pompeo's continued diplomacy and attitude, the Term Ended posts on the state.gov site, etc
I think this is it. I think today's speech was sad in parts not to discourage us, but because he is sad about the state of things. He never wanted this. But they've forced his hand, much as they forced Lincoln's hand. He said Biden's Administration, again not because he is leaving, but because there will be a Biden Administration. Just not a legitimate Administration.
There is just too much chatter about this to think there is no fire near all the smoke. Do we have a wartime GEOTUS? I honestly know what the fuck is going on anymore, pedes. If I'm wrong, so be it. But this explains everything.
I've seen nothing all night til the last 10 minutes. I started putting chatter together and it dawned on me.
Lots of people are saying they saw the two of them laughing as they left the West wing along with several high military leaders. There are posts saying Trump spoke to staffers of himself in terms of Lincoln and his reelection sparking a war. He spoke about his great wall in Alamo, Texas. Obviously it is not THE Alamo of history, but it is HIS Alamo. The city based on America's Last Stand, All the same. Trump's Last Stand.
Add to that, there were hints of reports of ongoing operations yesterday, a militarized DC, the Joint Chiefs openly defying him, Pence playing Judas (yet Trump seen laughing and joking with him afterwards), the hurried impeachments crap, Pompeo's continued diplomacy and attitude, the Term Ended posts on the state.gov site, etc
I think this is it. I think today's speech was sad in parts not to discourage us, but because he is sad about the state of things. He never wanted this. But they've forced his hand, much as they forced Lincoln's hand. He said Biden's Administration, again not because he is leaving, but because there will be a Biden Administration. Just not a legitimate Administration.
There is just too much chatter about this to think there is no fire near all the smoke. Do we have a wartime GEOTUS? I honestly know what the fuck is going on anymore, pedes. If I'm wrong, so be it. But this explains everything.
I feel like you just pede on me with optimism.
Gimme that hopium mother fuckers
I love you for this comment
I'd like some of what you are smoking coz id like 4 more years too.
I wish I had something to smoke. This has given the jitters like a teenager on their third cup of coffee. lol
It’s crack
I was wondering if Pence said what he did on the 6th to have the Dems AND corrupt RINO's all fall into the trap...
I don’t think Biden will be inaugurated. But I do think Pence has been playing a role and remains loyal.
I believe.
If that were to happen red states would have Trump as President, the blue states Biden. Interesting but could lead to a civil war. I do believe Trump has a plan and on the 20th we win.
i wish it was true, but it seems very very far fetched
That's a fair point. Then again, has anything from the past week seemed normal?
Was a SCOTUS Judge at the meeting to swear them in?
I asked the same question. Turns out, SCOTUS is only a tradition. The Constitution only states in Article II Section 1 Clause 8 that a President only swear the Oath of Office.
"Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.""
There is precedent as well. LBJ was sworn in by a Federal Judge given the extraordinary circumstances. In theory, a General could do it or anybody with the authority to be taken seriously among the people.
So many things are making sense now. Even if you think I'm wrong, dig into this. Prove me wrong. Maybe you can find something I missed. Maybe you'll prove me right.
Back when the Constitution was written the Supreme Court was a joke. It says nothing about how SCOTUS "interprets the constitution" that was something one of the chief justices said in a ruling and everyone just kinda went with it.
Exactly. Calvin Coolidge was sworn in by his own own dad, a notary public, after learning of Warren Harding's death. There is history there for sure, but it is far from a requirement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office_of_the_president_of_the_United_States#Administration_of_the_oath
To build off this idea of tradition vs. law.... prior to the 20th and 25th Amendments, there were several unsettled constitutional questions about presidential succession.
For instance, when Tippecanoe died, the country was actually without a POTUS for a day. Harrison died on April 4th, but Tyler wasn't inaugurated until April 6th due to the delay in receiving the information. He actually took the oath at a hotel that was located at 6th & Pennsylvania, which is now Seward Square. Even though it wasn't much disputed that the VP would become ACTING president, there was debate as to for how long. There was a valid argument put forth, I believe by JQA and Henry Clay, that the VP was only acting POTUS until a new POTUS was determined, as some had argued, via a new election. That's how Article II, Section 1, Clause 6 reads ("or a President shall be elected.") That's what the Succession Act of 1792 seems to indicate. Thing is, Tyler basically just asserted for himself this authority to BECOME president and serve out the rest of the term. No law clearly gave him that authority. But nobody really challenged it, and it was just accepted as tradition.
Tyler's precedent was followed by Fillmore when he replaced Taylor (died July 9th, 1850, inauguration on the 10th... 24hrs wo/POTUS). After Fillmore, there was no significant delay for Johnson/Lincoln, Garfield/Arthur, TR/McKinley, Coolidge/Harding, Truman/FDR or LBJ/JFK (post-25th).
But again, lots of tradition and not exactly law in all of these cases. Even the 20th Amendment refers to a VP etc. as ACTING POTUS, not permanent replacement, except on account of a POTUS-elect's death. These constitutional questions remained unsettled until the 25th Amendment with the explicit text declaring that the VP BECOMES president. This question wasn't resolved for over 150 years!
I believe this theory you've raised, as at the least as valid of an unsettled constitutional question. Americans have just accepted traditions because they've yet to be seriously challenge.
Fascinating. I knew some of that, but not the legality behind it. How does that relate to the guy who POTUS for a day? David Rice Atchison?
It means that Atchison was correct, sort of, in that he was ACTING President for the day. Polk's term should have ended on the 4th, but if he technically left office a day early on the 3rd, while not a formal resignation, he's still vacated the office. So Polk's VP, George Dallas actually should have been ACTING President from noon on the 3rd until noon on the 4th, when his term as VP ended. Atchison was then technically ACTING President from noon on the 4th, until Taylor was inaugurated at noon on the 5th.
I believe this Sunday issue happened at least 2 or 3 more times since then, but can't remember the exact circumstances of those cases. Those who hold that the oath doesn't matter, should read the Constitution. It explicitly states that the oath MUST be taken before assuming office. Period. That's the law. There is no "Sundays exempted" in this case, like there is for legislative issues.
Frankly I'm utterly baffled as to how procedural failures like these happened as many times as they did and hardly or anyone at all, said anything!
Absolutely agree. The Constitution lays it out clearly that the Oath must be recited. Stuff like the weird hiccups in political history always make me laugh. How did we make it nearly 250 years and win two world wars when we couldn't even figure out who was supposed to replace the President? I'd love to sit down one day when this is over and read a history of all the political "oopsies". I'd even love a real story on how Clinton lost the nuclear biscuit. Stuff like this fascinates the heck out of me.
Next question. How can a Vice President violate the constitution, as he did on the 23rd of December and the 6th of January and not face any consequences?
Because they likely wrangled their way out of it. They have a team of rich lawyers. Knowing Trump, he finds a way around anything. Idk the details of that stuff as well as some others, so I won't speak on it. But while you call him a traitor, Trump seems to be right at his side. Why would he do that if he were a traitor? It makes less sense than any of this.
I did not call him a traitor. I was merely asking is there is a loophole that the administration can take advantage of to trap the actual criminals?
Why is DC under such heavy guard for a Biden digital inauguration? because Trump ordered those troops there and they are guarding the city from the wrath of Biden and his supporters. Jan 6th was propaganda to create hostility against Trump and us. The FBI is their police wing and that is why they are going draconian on our people. They cut off all his social media so he can't speak to us as easily.
The Joint Chiefs gave it away. Why would some of the smartest military minds make such a stupid blunder as to openly defy their President, even if he has 8 days left? Its career suicide. Unless...they had committed to another Administration already. That note was to convince troops to side with them over Trump. They know....
Everything makes sense now. Why POTUS has been radio silent. Why Pence appeared to pull a Judas despite being by his side all along til now. Why Moscow Mitch did pull a Judas. They all hate us. They hate HIM. They would rather destroy this country than see him lead it. He said there would be a Biden Administration, and there will. Just not one with the backing of the United State Armed Forces....
Jesus HW Christ. If I'm wrong, I'll look like a mad LARPer. if I'm right, I may have just broke the story of the century.
I am thinking that the troops are not there to keep people out but to keep them in. If he is going to do a mass arrest they would all be in one place.
Wayyyy off
This is the kind of discussions that need to be... STICKIED!!!! NOT FUCKING LAZY BOYS!!!!
Very interesting theory. The Constitution doesn't specify WHEN or WHERE a presidential oath is to be taken, or WHO is to administer it or witness it. It's actually largely silent on oath procedures, aside from the proscribed oath itself and that it be taken "Before he enter on the Execution of his Office." The 20th Amendment simply defines when the prior term ends ("at noon on the 20th day of January") and after that, "the terms of their successors shall then begin." Much of the inauguration ceremony and traditions are just that, traditions. Traditions are not law.
Theoretically, Trump could have been inaugurated for his second term on the 10th, 11th, 12th, etc. and then upon the expiration of his first term (noon Jan 20th), if he's his own successor, he begins his second term. As crazy as it might seem, there's a very sound Constitutional argument to be made here. Excellent work.
It is constitutionally sound. And explains everybody's optimism that we will be just fine.
Possible. But I doubt it. But please try to prove me wrong. I rather be proven wrong tonight than find out in a week. The puzzle fits now. The Joint Chiefs were the missing piece.
Trump Inauguration Confirmed. It was right in front of our fucking faces the whole time. THE EMERGENCY DECLARATION. Its always in the wording!
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-approves-district-columbia-emergency-declaration/
The wording is past tense! It already occurred!
I hope you are right. I know there is probably 80+ million people in this country alone that want this to be true. Not to mention the countless number of people around the world.
lol how is it going qtard
It will be EPIC
You are creating another letdown for yourself. Hang it up. It’s over.
I would open hand slap you in front of everyone for using that vernacular, open hand.
Do you have a problem being called a fucking retard, you fucking retard?
Open-handed bitch-slap
Go smoke a cock, ya filthy rodent.