It needs to be said and acknowledged: Yes, in fact, you get out of the Fruity LA/San Fran world, forget illegals and fraud and tour around Northern California and really all over California and find the most Based-as-fuck good conservative folks who love God, guns and freedom as much as anyone on earth. Plenty of great traditional people, yes, even entire regions of warm good ole Christian folks who donate pies and help old ladies across the street - incredibly that still exists and in California of all places.
Oh for sure, fruity fucks and evil anti-American assholes all over that faggy populous area BUT I must give credit and respect where its due: Many superb based Californians are there. Its like they're being held hostage though. some sort of domestic abuse thing for those poor bastards.
Plus, don't forget how many military bases and naval bases there are, Plus the retired Military plus their families in those hell holes. ordered to be there so those areas get EXTRA federal funding because of those installations
For me, one of the craziest things in history has to be knowing California was, at one time, really the ultimate Freedom Land if there was a freedom-loving land of American Freedom and Liberty Lovers. California was it!
I'd dare to say it was almost...mmmm... actually when I was a kid that was over already but maybe we didn't know it yet. I can still think of people who'd show up from other states with that spirit, California was where anyone was free to be anything and nobody stopped you!
Man that changed! It's now where free independent-minded liberty loving types FLEE FROM uptight regulations, government overreach, bureaucratic nanny-ism, state mandated walking and talking, where you can eat, what you can say and WTF happened!?
You're right, I didn't even think of military folks but yes there are a LOT of them out there and I'm sure Biden has the FBI examining their 'loyalty' and threat potential at the moment. :(
I have family in the military there now, and yes I've lived there on 3 different occasion, it was much nicer pre 90's, you could even get along without getting messed with by gangs, Ya they fought with each other but didn't mess with non gang people, cause if they didn't work without fear there was NO profit to them. what's funny is most are Conservative people
Just saw this, but had to comment. I flew through San Luis Obispo about 2 years ago, and holy shit was that place based. "Come and take it" and "Don't tread on me" tshirts and American Flags everywhere. It was eye opening and really beautiful to see. AND - really, really beautiful country out there.
holy hell I duckduckgo'd some pics and that is a beautiful place. I feel for them as they have to be inside a state that is probably thinking of ways to ruin their lives.
THIS is crucial. New York and Illinois are blood red when you take NYC and Chicago out. And they are doing a great job of taking THEMSELVES out as we speak!
Rural Ohio is dark red, too. The blue cities are what makes us purple. We've had 2 "Republican" governors in a row now, but few democrats could have been any worse. I'm over it; if Texas and the plains/southern states want to make a go of it, we're selling off and heading down.
Green states are compromised by corrupt Left politicians and localized elites (big donors, corporation CEOs, etc.). I think all of them except maaaaaaybe Iowa would join New England. The result would be a massive exodus to red states and/or intense resistance groups forming in each state run by patriot citizens who feel trapped in a country they no longer support.
Canuckistani from Alberta here. I have an American Girlfriend, and I spend a lot of my time in America as a result, and keep my thumb on the American Pulse. And I was a begrudging, into enthusiastic supporter of the Trump Presidency. I woulda traded Trudeau for Trump in a heart beat, the entire time, though.
MB is likely Dark Blue or Green. This is because of a 50/50 split in francophones, who would likely side with Ontario. Our Federal Tax office is also in Manitoba, so Ontario would not let it go. New borders, not clean.
Edmonton also likes to vote NDP thanks to Jack Layton's work shortly before his death, so there would be problems there too. It's thoroughly blue collar amongst older generation, but the younger generation are naive ideallists, and he purchased their support.
Saskatchewan will not move unless Alberta does. Alberta will not move unless Edmonton does.
BC is also more likely to be light blue. BC is Vancouver's bitch, and Vancouver is like Canada's California.
I think the only thing I see that I strongly disagree with on your analysis is that of BC. the GVA area would go with light blue like you say, but the rest of the province I suspect will split and join red. The people I have been talking with from BC from places like Kelowna and Kamloops are livid with their neighbors down the road in the GVA and would likely go with us if we should leave. This was before all the covid stuff and now it's not easy to tell but I suspect things have not changed. Call it my bias.
Manitoba is an interesting pickle. I honestly couldn't predict what direction they would take. They might fight a war, either cold or hot, over this issue because they're divided in so many directions.
I don't know. The problem with rural BC, and the reason it's dependant on Vancouver is due to how massive a port Vancouver is. A lot of what they get comes through that port.
They're sandwhiched between mountains and adversaries at that point, complicating the logistics of BC turning red; it just might not be feasible.
I understand your reasoning, but I think I stand by what I said with a light blue BC
This idea would be the only logical non violent solution. But just like reddit fags not content with ruining their stuff, they sneak into our shit and try to reduce us to their debased level, we're talking about one hell of a wall, yuge even.
As a rural Pennsylvanian, I really do not want Philadelphia, Chicago, Detroit, and Minneapolis all as part of my new country. You can rename “Midwest” to “Dominion Central”.
What is interesting though is that the conservatives in these states are far redder because of it. They've had to adapt and overcome living so close to the blue tyranny. Kind of like how hunting pressure makes an animal population stronger, not weaker. Outside of the blue hubs in the green states, those states are generally as red as if not redder than Texas
We should all be looking into moving to Texas to support this. There are plenty of jobs available and more will appear after we bring our capitol in. Texas is booming and will be for decades to come. There's no reason to stay in the Communist States of America.
If this country falls into revolution or civil war, the military on our side will be fractured with no command structure or organization. It'll be every state for itself AT BEST - more likely every small group for themselves.
If states secede and form a new union against, let's say, the New England states - and war occurs - it will be a different picture. The new union would have it's own army with it's own organization in place.
Also consider: a lot of people have been talking about how if commies start stealing guns, and a revolt/civil war breaks out, we can't trust soldiers to step back and do the right thing - this is probably true. But I'd argue it's not because all of them are bad people, but because they are all conditioned to follow commands, and to be part of a larger unit - not to cast that aside on their own.
However, if a soldier from Texas saw his state secede, and join with 20+ other states, who formed their own army, he would have a much more comfortable time transitioning from one army to another, rather then from one army to the unorganized chaos of a revolution.
A better breakdown is that seen in American Nations, which follows the paths of the original settlers to America and how their moral and religious bases influenced regional politics today.
Indiana is one of the most red states in the Union. Remember, we're the cause of all the gun violence in Chicago cause we sell guns under the table at gunshows.... you know, the ole' wink wink nudge nudge 'gunshow loophole'?
This is meant to be a geographic generalization, not a state-by-state breakdown.
There are other anomalies on the map. New Hampshire and Maine are both red-leaning (look at the Libertarian vote) but they are "behind enemy lines" so to speak.
I want secession at this point, but let's be honest, it's near impossible for even one state to secede. They have to let you out by a large majority and the House and Senate we know will not do what we want at all.
States don't need permission to secede. The laws of the nation governing them are only applicable if they are upholding the social contract, or they are strong enough to stop it from happening by force.
Laws are nothing more then words on paper we all agree to follow. If things get dire enough to warrant a push for secession, 'laws' aren't going to stop it short of a war.
Certainly, the communists who claim to hold the lineage of the USA will claim that whatever new union is formed is illegitimate, but who gaf. Israel isn't considered legitimate by a huge swath of the world, yet they still are. Taiwan, the same by China.
States only need permission from their governed to secede.
Justice Scalia himself said that states cannot secede. You would likely need a revolution or an approval by the other states to get out. If it were as uncomplicated as you say, Texas would be long gone already (and probably others shortly thereafter).
https://www.businessinsider.com/justice-scalias-views-on-secession-2012-11?op=1
I disagree - Texas wouldn't have seceded long ago because there was no reason to do so.
And as it stands now, any state that didn't let the decision be decided on popular vote would be potentially going against the will of it's people. So all states should put the matter before their citizens. Until that happens I doubt we'll see secession.
Otherwise, the constitutionality of Secession is absolutely meaningless. Scalia was brilliant, and I respect him greatly - but the constitution has no bearing on if a state can or can't secede in the same way that a husband has no bearing on their wife deciding to divorce them.
A husband can pretend he and his wife aren't divorcing. Or he can exercise power and force his wife to stop the divorce proceedings and stay under his thumb, barring that, however, she will get out if she wants out.
You can argue that a court grants the right to divorce, but even if it didn't a woman can still get up and walk away - and only force can make her return.
The constitution is not a suicide pact. We are not required to go down in flames because of the "law". Not even taking into account that the Democrats have just shown how little the "law" matters.
Just to be clear, I'm pro secession at this point, i just see it as really difficult if not impossible based on what I've already stated. It doesn't seem realistic that it would advance in a completely liberal controlled system. Unless there's some sort of uprising. They are completely totalitarian at this point. Jmho
Also, texas actually have been trying to secede since at least the 90s under different groups. The Texas nationalist movement is one that i saw.
Your argument about the constitutionality of the possibility is up against our very own constitutional hero, Antonin Scalia. He is pretty much the expert in constitutional law.
Don't get me wrong though, i want Texas, the Midwest and Florida to part ways from the rest now. I want out.
I remember, it was right after marijuana was legalized that Denver went staight down the tubes. I am not blaming legalization but, it did not bring quality immigrants from other states, just losers and parasites.
I think Indiana would join the red. We're a bit unlike our neighboring states, much more conservative. That's why we have a massive amount of people leaving those states and coming to Indiana.
In the long run of a secession event, what you would expect to see is countries reform based on water access. Orange, Red, and Yellow would likely reform together. Green and Dark Blue would likely form together. Light blue, would likely collapse and eventually be devoured by red, whom would see west and east conflict.
So three countries would form, IMO: Southern Confederacy of Texas, Democratic State of California, and United States of the Great Lakes.
Green cannot survive without port access and Dark Blue could easily blockade and take over, so it won't last long, Same issue with Red for the most part. Texas would need Louisiana onboard to secede and be able to conduct any long term trade, it would also need to a deal with Florida for securing trade.
Light blue has port access for trade, if not for liberal policy, would probably be extremely strong. The biggest issue would be food and energy. Hawaii would be totally fine though, Hawaii is one of the only liberal shitholes that is self-sustaining.
Northern Red, would likely split off from southern red. yellow would merge in with southern red eventually.
I would think it more likely the current lines would look different. Counties exist within the states and these would be inclined to choose where they fall. Pa for example would likely splinter down the middle and touch RED. The east could likely attach to blue. Even within counties there could be divisions. This would be a PROCESS which the cathedral will not be willing to endure. I like the idea though.
Only Issue I see is with the Yellowish area and Green. They would have issue because they are land locked so trade would have to come through another said country. Basically they would either get hit with huge tariffs because the surrounding are (Light and Dark blue areas would be dicks and basically use tariff influence to push them to their ideals) now the check and balance though would be with TX LA MS and AL since they have the gulf area they can negotiate a trade partnership with them. Still though it is an interesting idea that you present.
I implore anyone who thinks this is a good idea to read the federalist papers #4
This is a terrible, terrible idea and should only used a leverage, not action.
No way BC would go Red the SW corner at least would never.
They would be the light blue for sure. Or be claimed by China since they already have around a million Chinese immigrants living there and now Chinese military too.
How exactly would the other states follow though? I agree with your breakdown if we're talking constituents. But if secession requires any form of state government initiative, I'm not sure we'll get that many on board. For example, Georgians would probably happily secede, but a vote wouldn't matter because it would be rigged and I doubt the legislature or governor would choose to join.
I would honestly admire something like this scenario. But, assuming this is a post-CivilWar_v2.exe scenario, a few key points before victory is declared.
Vancouver is an important sea port - make certain you establish and maintain control over it.
The Great Lakes are a big deal, but if you can switch WV/VA/NC then you'd have an Atlantic port area. GA is the largest state by landmass on the east coast so if you can swap GA and FL you'd be golden. Controlling the eastern seaboard with a bunch of autist pirates constantly yelling "ARRRRGH Matey" would wear down any seasoned soldier.
Texas secession, I hate to admit, is dependent on the residents. If the East residents think your red is ok, and the west residents think your gold color is ok, then you have a split state. A split state as far as paper is concerned but the ranchers and farmers in between sharing fences ain't gonna give a fuck what you think about a battle line.
What you need for your argument is very, very simple. You just need to ask a question: "What am I, and my neighbors, willing to teach my fellow man about self-sufficiency? Beyond that, why is central banking important to me?"
Imagine if you asked those questions. Would that map be all red, or would it be all China?
Upstate New york, parts of CT and ME, New Hampshire are pretty darn red. So the New England issue may not even be a real issue. The biggest issue you may have is a flood of pede refugees.
Thanks for this clean looking map. A few years ago (yes I am prescient) I made something close but really messing looking.
I'd strongly suggest the lower coastal corner of BC aka 'the lower mainland' would merge or join Washington as its absolutely crammed full of Leftist Woke SJW faggotrons and Libtards.
It's also worth noting i do believe this will eventually break down more by county. For example, just about half the counties of California already want to GTFO and separate away from the commie coast and I think you'd see that everywhere. It would not be straight up entire states.
Something else people need to consider is that when this kind of secession/separation happens the people don't stay where they were but naturally move accordingly.
So what would happen is you'd see a all sorts of Identitarian Lefty types moving OUT of Texas (as the example) and then you'd see thousands of MAGA conservative types moving OUT of (for example) Washington State down to Texas.
This happened naturally the last time North America split into Canada (Empire Loyalists we can call them) and Tea Party fans.
I'm now convinced that you'd only need Texas to secede and it takes two minutes for Alberta Canada to agree to kind of union and in 10 more seconds Montana, Wyoming and a corridor is made. It would be 4 days later you see most of the 'Reds and Greens' in this map start deciding to join that union.
I don't see a lot of Greens existing afterward. They will sort out into joining the New Sodom York Toronto Nazi State and on the West side they will divide up into either New Gomorrah Portlandia FagNaziville or Based New USA.
The New MAGAland will GAIN LAND mass but less people as Western Canada is very sparse compared to.. well anywhere in North America. Wyoming and Montana feel populated.
But yes, cheers to a good looking map and I have no idea when I can finally start convincing people IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY. Its nothing but Win-Win, it avoid unimaginable horrors, suffering, the divorces, the social strife, the mental illness and stress, the DECADES of this vicious mistrust and the evil of trying to make two contradictory world-views work together.
MAGA Corridor solves the problem of Seven Levels of Hell with just one rather smooth transition and relatively simple rebuild.
I would like to edit "The West Coast" can we call it Trailmix? You know where the fruits and nuts live?
I always called CA the granola state: full of fruits, nuts & flakes.
actually, take the illegal immigrant vote and the fraudulent votes out and it turns dark red
It needs to be said and acknowledged: Yes, in fact, you get out of the Fruity LA/San Fran world, forget illegals and fraud and tour around Northern California and really all over California and find the most Based-as-fuck good conservative folks who love God, guns and freedom as much as anyone on earth. Plenty of great traditional people, yes, even entire regions of warm good ole Christian folks who donate pies and help old ladies across the street - incredibly that still exists and in California of all places.
Oh for sure, fruity fucks and evil anti-American assholes all over that faggy populous area BUT I must give credit and respect where its due: Many superb based Californians are there. Its like they're being held hostage though. some sort of domestic abuse thing for those poor bastards.
If the Democrats make DC and/or Puerto Rico into states, we need to push to split up California.
Plus, don't forget how many military bases and naval bases there are, Plus the retired Military plus their families in those hell holes. ordered to be there so those areas get EXTRA federal funding because of those installations
For me, one of the craziest things in history has to be knowing California was, at one time, really the ultimate Freedom Land if there was a freedom-loving land of American Freedom and Liberty Lovers. California was it!
I'd dare to say it was almost...mmmm... actually when I was a kid that was over already but maybe we didn't know it yet. I can still think of people who'd show up from other states with that spirit, California was where anyone was free to be anything and nobody stopped you!
Man that changed! It's now where free independent-minded liberty loving types FLEE FROM uptight regulations, government overreach, bureaucratic nanny-ism, state mandated walking and talking, where you can eat, what you can say and WTF happened!?
You're right, I didn't even think of military folks but yes there are a LOT of them out there and I'm sure Biden has the FBI examining their 'loyalty' and threat potential at the moment. :(
I have family in the military there now, and yes I've lived there on 3 different occasion, it was much nicer pre 90's, you could even get along without getting messed with by gangs, Ya they fought with each other but didn't mess with non gang people, cause if they didn't work without fear there was NO profit to them. what's funny is most are Conservative people
Just saw this, but had to comment. I flew through San Luis Obispo about 2 years ago, and holy shit was that place based. "Come and take it" and "Don't tread on me" tshirts and American Flags everywhere. It was eye opening and really beautiful to see. AND - really, really beautiful country out there.
holy hell I duckduckgo'd some pics and that is a beautiful place. I feel for them as they have to be inside a state that is probably thinking of ways to ruin their lives.
What needs to be pointed out is that there are no blue states (except Vermont and maybe New Mexico).
The problem is just in the cities, specifically San Francisco and Los Angeles.
THIS is crucial. New York and Illinois are blood red when you take NYC and Chicago out. And they are doing a great job of taking THEMSELVES out as we speak!
:)
You can add the majority of the Westernmost Counties of VA to the red section. There was talk last year of several counties all along Virginia's Western border from Winchester all the way down to Bristol seceding and joining West Virginia. This came about because of our shit-stain Klansman governor (Northam) getting gun-grabby. https://redstatesecession.org/virginia-counties-can-become-a-part-of-another-state/ https://www.newstarget.com/2020-01-15-secession-break-up-coming-to-virginia.html https://www.westernjournal.com/virginia-sanctuary-county-gets-offer-secede-commonwealth/
? did you mean western most counties?
Probably, but he might be referencing VA's border with Atlantis
yes
fuck that, GREEN - The Midwest, Michigan , Wisconsin was stolen, we are so red it is ridiculous, please don't leave us behind.
Rural Ohio is dark red, too. The blue cities are what makes us purple. We've had 2 "Republican" governors in a row now, but few democrats could have been any worse. I'm over it; if Texas and the plains/southern states want to make a go of it, we're selling off and heading down.
It's most likely that "Battleground State" would become a literal term for them.
and I well go and help
Green states are compromised by corrupt Left politicians and localized elites (big donors, corporation CEOs, etc.). I think all of them except maaaaaaybe Iowa would join New England. The result would be a massive exodus to red states and/or intense resistance groups forming in each state run by patriot citizens who feel trapped in a country they no longer support.
by people that don't exist
Canuckistani from Alberta here. I have an American Girlfriend, and I spend a lot of my time in America as a result, and keep my thumb on the American Pulse. And I was a begrudging, into enthusiastic supporter of the Trump Presidency. I woulda traded Trudeau for Trump in a heart beat, the entire time, though.
MB is likely Dark Blue or Green. This is because of a 50/50 split in francophones, who would likely side with Ontario. Our Federal Tax office is also in Manitoba, so Ontario would not let it go. New borders, not clean.
Edmonton also likes to vote NDP thanks to Jack Layton's work shortly before his death, so there would be problems there too. It's thoroughly blue collar amongst older generation, but the younger generation are naive ideallists, and he purchased their support.
Saskatchewan will not move unless Alberta does. Alberta will not move unless Edmonton does.
BC is also more likely to be light blue. BC is Vancouver's bitch, and Vancouver is like Canada's California.
I'm from Saskatchewan here.
I think the only thing I see that I strongly disagree with on your analysis is that of BC. the GVA area would go with light blue like you say, but the rest of the province I suspect will split and join red. The people I have been talking with from BC from places like Kelowna and Kamloops are livid with their neighbors down the road in the GVA and would likely go with us if we should leave. This was before all the covid stuff and now it's not easy to tell but I suspect things have not changed. Call it my bias.
Manitoba is an interesting pickle. I honestly couldn't predict what direction they would take. They might fight a war, either cold or hot, over this issue because they're divided in so many directions.
But yeah, good analysis.
I don't know. The problem with rural BC, and the reason it's dependant on Vancouver is due to how massive a port Vancouver is. A lot of what they get comes through that port.
They're sandwhiched between mountains and adversaries at that point, complicating the logistics of BC turning red; it just might not be feasible.
I understand your reasoning, but I think I stand by what I said with a light blue BC
there's something hilarious about "BC is Vancouver's bitch."
Calgarian pede here!
I can see AZ becoming a state of outlaws considering the history
the cartels would move north and establish territory. the mexican govt would be all too happy to make cartels more of other ppl's problems.
let the cartles know that they could potentially make alot more money selling cheap ammo.
Cartels are very much here in the US. Legit businesses, though.
You never met the ranger with the big iron on his hip.
that's a vigilante, along with Wyatt erp and his immortals
As a resident of Ontario, let me be the first to say,
Fuck.
Lmao, I saw the red all the way Up to Canada.
Fuck yeah. Oh shit I’m in Ontario right now....
Back to BC.
Honestly Onatrio - Toronto could just join up with the Midwest, we're basically the same.
This idea would be the only logical non violent solution. But just like reddit fags not content with ruining their stuff, they sneak into our shit and try to reduce us to their debased level, we're talking about one hell of a wall, yuge even.
I'm reading "more jobs". Silver lining, my friend.
As a rural Pennsylvanian, I really do not want Philadelphia, Chicago, Detroit, and Minneapolis all as part of my new country. You can rename “Midwest” to “Dominion Central”.
Every state in this region has the same problem...these are red states with little blue port city strongholds.
What is interesting though is that the conservatives in these states are far redder because of it. They've had to adapt and overcome living so close to the blue tyranny. Kind of like how hunting pressure makes an animal population stronger, not weaker. Outside of the blue hubs in the green states, those states are generally as red as if not redder than Texas
We should all be looking into moving to Texas to support this. There are plenty of jobs available and more will appear after we bring our capitol in. Texas is booming and will be for decades to come. There's no reason to stay in the Communist States of America.
Get this rolling and perhaps red counties start coming in.
Florida should join that.
I don't think there will be a secession, but if there is, a major number of counties will fracture from their host states
Omg, this would be incredible!
I want to be red tooooo
I'm not saying any state should be prevented from seceding but the more states that do so the more our military might will be divided
Will it not be already?
I think the inverse is actually true.
If this country falls into revolution or civil war, the military on our side will be fractured with no command structure or organization. It'll be every state for itself AT BEST - more likely every small group for themselves.
If states secede and form a new union against, let's say, the New England states - and war occurs - it will be a different picture. The new union would have it's own army with it's own organization in place.
Also consider: a lot of people have been talking about how if commies start stealing guns, and a revolt/civil war breaks out, we can't trust soldiers to step back and do the right thing - this is probably true. But I'd argue it's not because all of them are bad people, but because they are all conditioned to follow commands, and to be part of a larger unit - not to cast that aside on their own.
However, if a soldier from Texas saw his state secede, and join with 20+ other states, who formed their own army, he would have a much more comfortable time transitioning from one army to another, rather then from one army to the unorganized chaos of a revolution.
BC will join China (WA/OR/CA).
Why would Indiana join with Illinois?
A better breakdown is that seen in American Nations, which follows the paths of the original settlers to America and how their moral and religious bases influenced regional politics today.
This is delusional. Wanna know how I know?
Indiana is one of the most red states in the Union. Remember, we're the cause of all the gun violence in Chicago cause we sell guns under the table at gunshows.... you know, the ole' wink wink nudge nudge 'gunshow loophole'?
This is meant to be a geographic generalization, not a state-by-state breakdown.
There are other anomalies on the map. New Hampshire and Maine are both red-leaning (look at the Libertarian vote) but they are "behind enemy lines" so to speak.
I want secession at this point, but let's be honest, it's near impossible for even one state to secede. They have to let you out by a large majority and the House and Senate we know will not do what we want at all.
States don't need permission to secede. The laws of the nation governing them are only applicable if they are upholding the social contract, or they are strong enough to stop it from happening by force.
Laws are nothing more then words on paper we all agree to follow. If things get dire enough to warrant a push for secession, 'laws' aren't going to stop it short of a war.
Certainly, the communists who claim to hold the lineage of the USA will claim that whatever new union is formed is illegitimate, but who gaf. Israel isn't considered legitimate by a huge swath of the world, yet they still are. Taiwan, the same by China.
States only need permission from their governed to secede.
Justice Scalia himself said that states cannot secede. You would likely need a revolution or an approval by the other states to get out. If it were as uncomplicated as you say, Texas would be long gone already (and probably others shortly thereafter). https://www.businessinsider.com/justice-scalias-views-on-secession-2012-11?op=1
I disagree - Texas wouldn't have seceded long ago because there was no reason to do so.
And as it stands now, any state that didn't let the decision be decided on popular vote would be potentially going against the will of it's people. So all states should put the matter before their citizens. Until that happens I doubt we'll see secession.
Otherwise, the constitutionality of Secession is absolutely meaningless. Scalia was brilliant, and I respect him greatly - but the constitution has no bearing on if a state can or can't secede in the same way that a husband has no bearing on their wife deciding to divorce them.
A husband can pretend he and his wife aren't divorcing. Or he can exercise power and force his wife to stop the divorce proceedings and stay under his thumb, barring that, however, she will get out if she wants out.
You can argue that a court grants the right to divorce, but even if it didn't a woman can still get up and walk away - and only force can make her return.
The constitution is not a suicide pact. We are not required to go down in flames because of the "law". Not even taking into account that the Democrats have just shown how little the "law" matters.
Just to be clear, I'm pro secession at this point, i just see it as really difficult if not impossible based on what I've already stated. It doesn't seem realistic that it would advance in a completely liberal controlled system. Unless there's some sort of uprising. They are completely totalitarian at this point. Jmho
Also, texas actually have been trying to secede since at least the 90s under different groups. The Texas nationalist movement is one that i saw.
Your argument about the constitutionality of the possibility is up against our very own constitutional hero, Antonin Scalia. He is pretty much the expert in constitutional law.
Don't get me wrong though, i want Texas, the Midwest and Florida to part ways from the rest now. I want out.
Dont leave Indiana! Take us with you!
Ya know, I know this is a little too far-fetched but I'd be proud of being the spearhead of The Mississippi River Valley! WV would be hell to invade.
Arizona will join after we oust our corrupt Governor and SOS. New Mexico is red but voter fraud and a corrupt Governor have imprisoned them.
NM, AZ and UT would join. CO is cucked.
I moved to Az from Colorado. Colorado is dark red with the exception of the Denver/Fort Collins corridor.
I moved to TX from CO, I was there from 2002-2014. I watched Denver go from red/purple to blue as the rest of the state looked on.
All after Dominion, mind you.
I remember, it was right after marijuana was legalized that Denver went staight down the tubes. I am not blaming legalization but, it did not bring quality immigrants from other states, just losers and parasites.
I was there and can tell you it was going red at least 4-5 years before that. At least in Denver. The Californians were already fleeing their dump.
Yes, I posted that below.
I think Indiana would join the red. We're a bit unlike our neighboring states, much more conservative. That's why we have a massive amount of people leaving those states and coming to Indiana.
In the long run of a secession event, what you would expect to see is countries reform based on water access. Orange, Red, and Yellow would likely reform together. Green and Dark Blue would likely form together. Light blue, would likely collapse and eventually be devoured by red, whom would see west and east conflict.
So three countries would form, IMO: Southern Confederacy of Texas, Democratic State of California, and United States of the Great Lakes.
Green cannot survive without port access and Dark Blue could easily blockade and take over, so it won't last long, Same issue with Red for the most part. Texas would need Louisiana onboard to secede and be able to conduct any long term trade, it would also need to a deal with Florida for securing trade.
Light blue has port access for trade, if not for liberal policy, would probably be extremely strong. The biggest issue would be food and energy. Hawaii would be totally fine though, Hawaii is one of the only liberal shitholes that is self-sustaining.
Northern Red, would likely split off from southern red. yellow would merge in with southern red eventually.
British Columbia, or at least its urban SW corner should be in the light blue. It is Canada's answer to CA, OR, WA all rolled into one.
Like the information. Copied to keep in mind.
I would think it more likely the current lines would look different. Counties exist within the states and these would be inclined to choose where they fall. Pa for example would likely splinter down the middle and touch RED. The east could likely attach to blue. Even within counties there could be divisions. This would be a PROCESS which the cathedral will not be willing to endure. I like the idea though.
Missing Greenland in Red
Only Issue I see is with the Yellowish area and Green. They would have issue because they are land locked so trade would have to come through another said country. Basically they would either get hit with huge tariffs because the surrounding are (Light and Dark blue areas would be dicks and basically use tariff influence to push them to their ideals) now the check and balance though would be with TX LA MS and AL since they have the gulf area they can negotiate a trade partnership with them. Still though it is an interesting idea that you present.
I implore anyone who thinks this is a good idea to read the federalist papers #4 This is a terrible, terrible idea and should only used a leverage, not action.
I like these odds.
No way BC would go Red the SW corner at least would never.
They would be the light blue for sure. Or be claimed by China since they already have around a million Chinese immigrants living there and now Chinese military too.
I see Western NC and SC going with the red state.
Source: I live in NC
Durham, Wake and Mecklenburg are the three counties that are blue. Most of the rest of NC is light red to dark red.
How exactly would the other states follow though? I agree with your breakdown if we're talking constituents. But if secession requires any form of state government initiative, I'm not sure we'll get that many on board. For example, Georgians would probably happily secede, but a vote wouldn't matter because it would be rigged and I doubt the legislature or governor would choose to join.
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GREAT! My state of Kentucky is in there. We don't want this liberal socialist crap either.
Depends on what you mean by "conservative."
Utah is NOT "strongly" conservative. RINO / leftist more and more by the day.
I would honestly admire something like this scenario. But, assuming this is a post-CivilWar_v2.exe scenario, a few key points before victory is declared.
What you need for your argument is very, very simple. You just need to ask a question: "What am I, and my neighbors, willing to teach my fellow man about self-sufficiency? Beyond that, why is central banking important to me?"
Imagine if you asked those questions. Would that map be all red, or would it be all China?
Texas, take Ohio with you for Christs sake!
Ohhhhhh no IOWA belongs IN THE RED we went for TRUMP. The MISSISSIPPI is our EASTERN BORDER. https://www.thegazette.com/election-2020-iowa-map-trump-vs-biden-joni-ernst-theresa-greenfield-rural-trump-voters
Upstate New york, parts of CT and ME, New Hampshire are pretty darn red. So the New England issue may not even be a real issue. The biggest issue you may have is a flood of pede refugees.
The problem is that there are liberal shit holes in all of these regions.
The solution is neutron bombs, so as to save the infrastructure for later use by our people.
So many cities I'd like to visit, all leftist shit holes. We can fix that.
Are TX and AL the only states w/ deep water ports in Gulf?
I shall leave my cesspool of WA state and head to the hills of South Dakota!
Why isn't Greenland red on this here map??
So what you're saying is, we're throwing out the trash and gaining more land and conservative folks? Sounds good to me. Sincerely, a Texan.
I agree with this except for one thing. Quebec wants to be on their own.
This still achieves manifest destiny. It is glorious.
Northern virginia is dark blue. Theres no comparison with nova and the rest of the state.
Thanks for this clean looking map. A few years ago (yes I am prescient) I made something close but really messing looking.
I'd strongly suggest the lower coastal corner of BC aka 'the lower mainland' would merge or join Washington as its absolutely crammed full of Leftist Woke SJW faggotrons and Libtards.
It's also worth noting i do believe this will eventually break down more by county. For example, just about half the counties of California already want to GTFO and separate away from the commie coast and I think you'd see that everywhere. It would not be straight up entire states.
Something else people need to consider is that when this kind of secession/separation happens the people don't stay where they were but naturally move accordingly. So what would happen is you'd see a all sorts of Identitarian Lefty types moving OUT of Texas (as the example) and then you'd see thousands of MAGA conservative types moving OUT of (for example) Washington State down to Texas. This happened naturally the last time North America split into Canada (Empire Loyalists we can call them) and Tea Party fans.
I'm now convinced that you'd only need Texas to secede and it takes two minutes for Alberta Canada to agree to kind of union and in 10 more seconds Montana, Wyoming and a corridor is made. It would be 4 days later you see most of the 'Reds and Greens' in this map start deciding to join that union.
I don't see a lot of Greens existing afterward. They will sort out into joining the New Sodom York Toronto Nazi State and on the West side they will divide up into either New Gomorrah Portlandia FagNaziville or Based New USA.
The New MAGAland will GAIN LAND mass but less people as Western Canada is very sparse compared to.. well anywhere in North America. Wyoming and Montana feel populated.
But yes, cheers to a good looking map and I have no idea when I can finally start convincing people IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY. Its nothing but Win-Win, it avoid unimaginable horrors, suffering, the divorces, the social strife, the mental illness and stress, the DECADES of this vicious mistrust and the evil of trying to make two contradictory world-views work together.
MAGA Corridor solves the problem of Seven Levels of Hell with just one rather smooth transition and relatively simple rebuild.
Being able to transit panhandle texas to nova scotia islands would be dope.