I want secession at this point, but let's be honest, it's near impossible for even one state to secede. They have to let you out by a large majority and the House and Senate we know will not do what we want at all.
States don't need permission to secede. The laws of the nation governing them are only applicable if they are upholding the social contract, or they are strong enough to stop it from happening by force.
Laws are nothing more then words on paper we all agree to follow. If things get dire enough to warrant a push for secession, 'laws' aren't going to stop it short of a war.
Certainly, the communists who claim to hold the lineage of the USA will claim that whatever new union is formed is illegitimate, but who gaf. Israel isn't considered legitimate by a huge swath of the world, yet they still are. Taiwan, the same by China.
States only need permission from their governed to secede.
Justice Scalia himself said that states cannot secede. You would likely need a revolution or an approval by the other states to get out. If it were as uncomplicated as you say, Texas would be long gone already (and probably others shortly thereafter).
https://www.businessinsider.com/justice-scalias-views-on-secession-2012-11?op=1
I disagree - Texas wouldn't have seceded long ago because there was no reason to do so.
And as it stands now, any state that didn't let the decision be decided on popular vote would be potentially going against the will of it's people. So all states should put the matter before their citizens. Until that happens I doubt we'll see secession.
Otherwise, the constitutionality of Secession is absolutely meaningless. Scalia was brilliant, and I respect him greatly - but the constitution has no bearing on if a state can or can't secede in the same way that a husband has no bearing on their wife deciding to divorce them.
A husband can pretend he and his wife aren't divorcing. Or he can exercise power and force his wife to stop the divorce proceedings and stay under his thumb, barring that, however, she will get out if she wants out.
You can argue that a court grants the right to divorce, but even if it didn't a woman can still get up and walk away - and only force can make her return.
The constitution is not a suicide pact. We are not required to go down in flames because of the "law". Not even taking into account that the Democrats have just shown how little the "law" matters.
Just to be clear, I'm pro secession at this point, i just see it as really difficult if not impossible based on what I've already stated. It doesn't seem realistic that it would advance in a completely liberal controlled system. Unless there's some sort of uprising. They are completely totalitarian at this point. Jmho
Also, texas actually have been trying to secede since at least the 90s under different groups. The Texas nationalist movement is one that i saw.
Your argument about the constitutionality of the possibility is up against our very own constitutional hero, Antonin Scalia. He is pretty much the expert in constitutional law.
Don't get me wrong though, i want Texas, the Midwest and Florida to part ways from the rest now. I want out.
I want secession at this point, but let's be honest, it's near impossible for even one state to secede. They have to let you out by a large majority and the House and Senate we know will not do what we want at all.
States don't need permission to secede. The laws of the nation governing them are only applicable if they are upholding the social contract, or they are strong enough to stop it from happening by force.
Laws are nothing more then words on paper we all agree to follow. If things get dire enough to warrant a push for secession, 'laws' aren't going to stop it short of a war.
Certainly, the communists who claim to hold the lineage of the USA will claim that whatever new union is formed is illegitimate, but who gaf. Israel isn't considered legitimate by a huge swath of the world, yet they still are. Taiwan, the same by China.
States only need permission from their governed to secede.
Justice Scalia himself said that states cannot secede. You would likely need a revolution or an approval by the other states to get out. If it were as uncomplicated as you say, Texas would be long gone already (and probably others shortly thereafter). https://www.businessinsider.com/justice-scalias-views-on-secession-2012-11?op=1
I disagree - Texas wouldn't have seceded long ago because there was no reason to do so.
And as it stands now, any state that didn't let the decision be decided on popular vote would be potentially going against the will of it's people. So all states should put the matter before their citizens. Until that happens I doubt we'll see secession.
Otherwise, the constitutionality of Secession is absolutely meaningless. Scalia was brilliant, and I respect him greatly - but the constitution has no bearing on if a state can or can't secede in the same way that a husband has no bearing on their wife deciding to divorce them.
A husband can pretend he and his wife aren't divorcing. Or he can exercise power and force his wife to stop the divorce proceedings and stay under his thumb, barring that, however, she will get out if she wants out.
You can argue that a court grants the right to divorce, but even if it didn't a woman can still get up and walk away - and only force can make her return.
The constitution is not a suicide pact. We are not required to go down in flames because of the "law". Not even taking into account that the Democrats have just shown how little the "law" matters.
Just to be clear, I'm pro secession at this point, i just see it as really difficult if not impossible based on what I've already stated. It doesn't seem realistic that it would advance in a completely liberal controlled system. Unless there's some sort of uprising. They are completely totalitarian at this point. Jmho
Also, texas actually have been trying to secede since at least the 90s under different groups. The Texas nationalist movement is one that i saw.
Your argument about the constitutionality of the possibility is up against our very own constitutional hero, Antonin Scalia. He is pretty much the expert in constitutional law.
Don't get me wrong though, i want Texas, the Midwest and Florida to part ways from the rest now. I want out.