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We'll see what happens.... If its him, trumps ventures, Elon, or a coalition of gab, parler and others.
But this is why capitalism works. We don't need Yang or the Government to sit and dictate something. Let the free market choose its course, and everything will settle it's self out.
Go woke, go broke is on you, not the government.
Same with if it goes the other way around. Be a dick and you'll have to take a dick to get by.
Because he's not a liberal they way they all want him to be. He also doesn't have disdain for conservatives. He questions things, especially the news since they frequently hit him hard. I used to not like him, but have warmed up as he calls out CNN and others. Plus his cars are cool. Stock is insanely overvalued, but the cars are really fun. I think he's ok. He's definitely not in the Bezos, Zuckerberg, Dorsey mold.
Because he's not a liberal they way they all want him to be.
Clearly he's been happy to oblige them.
All of this has been made possible by liberalism:
Tesla's growth depends a lot on the green new deal mandating more BEV electric vehicles. The (currently expired) tax credits had the American taxpayer subsidizing wealthy people buying expensive Model S/X
Tesla only makes money because it sells carbon credits. It loses money selling cars. In Q3 2020: $331 million profit, of which $397 million were carbon credit sales.
Quick googling says that Tesla/SpaceX have received $5 Billion in government handouts
You're not wrong, but also what do you expect him to do? If the government is dumb enough to offer him free money, he'd be a terrible businessman if he turned it down.
Unfortunately with our corporatism laws, big corps cant compete wothout it. So does a person avoid the money out of principle and get left behind or take it and persue their vision?
He is also for building colonies in space. He even published a draft of some interplanetary law that says governments of earth have no right on properties in space LOL. Half his ideas may never work. If he can get transhumanism to work why not give it to those who want it? He has been calling the COVID bullshit for what it is - a scam - from very early on. Tons of people red pilled by him on this alone.
They tried everything to close down his Fremont factory due to china virus. And even before that, there was too much bs in his factory, with people spying on it with satellites and spies, trying to expose him. The county ordered him to close the factory. China meanwhile probably sucked his dick to get him to open a factory - they really go the extra mile to appease large companies, especially tech companies, so they can steal the tech and appropriate the plants later. If they do that to him, its his problem.
Yeah, i listened to him on the rogan podcast about his implant bullshit. He doesnt get that he wont control that, and people dont get that he will sell it to the highest bidder, probably the cia.
To be fair he didn't invent the internet. Just the World Wide Web. WWW and it's protocols and languages piggy back on the "former" military network called the internet.
Lol. Typical liberal lie I guess. Maybe 10 years later Pelosi will say she saved the Capitol.
He passed funding laws for research, which were important too but that doesnt make him a creator of the internet. The comments on the youtube video too have more insight
This is absolutely not accurate at all. He didn't take the initiative in creating the Internet. He may have sponsored legislation that increased funding for it but he had nothing to do with its creation or initial expansion.
Cerf and Kahn never say that without Gore the Internet would not have been commercialized much less do so adamantly. Without Paul Mockapetris inventing DNS and Tim Berners-Lee inventing HTML and the first browser their would be no commercial Internet even remotely as it exists today. Throw in BGP V4 also since without it we couldn't route traffic between this large a collection of connected devices worldwide. Al Gore had zero to do with any of that. Sorry for the inconvenient truth.
(should be HTTP and not HTML)
The person in OP is Tim Berners Lee - these guys were the actual engineers that invented the internet. Not a dynast politician from the DC swamp that Al Gore was
Which was originally called "BARADA", (Basic Aerospace Research and Design Algorythm). As in "Klaatu Barada Nikto"...... Never let it be said that the old school NASA scientists did not have a sense of humor
I was taught that the internet network was originally made (by the government) as a way to have mass redundancy (should communication be cut in areas - like nuclear war).
That's why TCP/IP packets check if they have been delivered instead of the existing UDP packets that just send info and ignore if it worked. The redundancy was also existent in the root servers. There isn't just one source, it's multiples (used to be about 12 root servers).
So the route you take from and to a resource has alternate paths it can take because allllll these computers are online and routing, the packets sent can be double checked, and the translations from domain (ex. thedonald.win) to ip (ex. 111.111.111.222) were also existent in multiple places because you can set those in your host file on a single computer, for a network as DNS, then again all the way back to checking the root servers.
These names were involved with the original network - Darpanet, Arpanet, National Science Foundation (they were the last ones to get it once the govt. was done w/it and I think they actually decided it could be good for public use).
I looked at the new project and it looks like his concept is to give your access out to sites but there are problems that keep coming up like... how do you control scraping... how do you ensure someone doesn't keep residual data or resell it... so far it looks to me like he is expecting honesty from all parties and that's a challenge to meet.
Google dropped their "Don't be evil" slogan long ago and Facebook openly yoinks privacy. Any image search is already "content" made by others. Same with all the social media and forums like this. All this content produced doesn't COME from the people running it - it usually comes from people giving it away. The company merely facilitates the arrangement of displaying it and keeping it sorted. None of them "create" content so if you keep all the content from them... how will they survive when they can't act as the packager.
I thought about learning about his APIs but then I saw that they were using React and that disheartened me because React was made up by Facebook and I avoid it. How could the guy who created the DOM and HTML abandon them for a Facebook product??? That one had me scratching my head. Giving up the DOM means giving up all the semantics already in place for SEO. That's dopey and would mean you'd have to come up with new signalling for search engines to scrape and sort content. It reminds me of people that want to use Canvas instead of HTML (because flash is dead). There is so much you give up when computers have had HTML to sort with since oooooh about the 90's.
Once I saw React I jumped back so did not investigate their server setup - if they aren't using similar redundancy then they lose the best part of the TCP/IP structure. If they are just laying on top of the existing TCP/IP network then their data will get sucked into storage just like all the normal internet data so isn't protected any deeper. Just make sure it comes with encryption. That's probably the most important feature these days - some level of obfuscation that requires time to re-open versus just plain text that can be sorted earlier.
To be fair he never said it himself. He said that he funded and passed laws that helped the internet to grow. Vince Cerf confirmed this as correct and he DID invent the internet.
Internet is not the problem, FB is the problem, and a lack of a legal foundation. New internet will have its own FB (the most popular site that can manipulate public opinion at will), and then what? There is always someone who is in charge (CEO, board of directors, mods, sponsors, advertisers, etc), you can't eliminate that, we need to come up with some regulations instead.
I think there should be a government regulated subdivision of the internet where everyone can post only under their real name and have full legal responsibility for their words, no different than posting in a newspaper. If someone doesn't agree with whatever is said the only way to take it down is to go to court and prove it violates the law. If you want to just shitpost anonymously then you can go to "regular" internet and post it there but be ready to be banned for no reason (just like now).
Let's be honest, any system where you transmit data somewhere will always have the ability for someone who you don't want to have the data to gain access to it. The only way to break away from that is to destroy the internet in its entirety and go back to a paper based system, which in itself isn't foolproof, but probably more secure.
bankers and corporations are behind it..
Banks have unlimited money to snap him and corpo using their media will cut him off.
u know...gasoline engines are very outdated
He had such an idealistic concept of what the WWW would be like: a creative free-for-all, a free speech haven, a force for democracy. It's good to see him come back to the forefront. We're seeing a groundswell of really smart IT people infuriated by Big Tech fascism. It's very encouraging to see.
This is what I want in 2021, if Covid fades away (it won't) and if someone creates a free speech internet without the awful, evil things the current web has, I would be very happy.
This. This is fuckin awesome. Itll be the first big breakthrough in net tech since the 90s. This is gonna piss off every big tech corp, and lawsuits will be filed.
At least someone with a voice like he has is floating the idea.
I wouldn't expect lightning to strike the same guy twice anyway.
My guess is that it will be based on blockchain and distributed computing in some way, making it where you either have to take the entire internet down, or those in authority just have to deal with the fact that they don't get to control things any more. No one put them in charge anyway, I can say that with confidence now. They only have the threat of force, not the threat of righteousness and lawfulness.
We'll see what happens.... If its him, trumps ventures, Elon, or a coalition of gab, parler and others.
But this is why capitalism works. We don't need Yang or the Government to sit and dictate something. Let the free market choose its course, and everything will settle it's self out.
Go woke, go broke is on you, not the government. Same with if it goes the other way around. Be a dick and you'll have to take a dick to get by.
Elon is for transhumanism and is building a Tesla plant in China of all places. Why do people still fangirl over him?
Because he's not a liberal they way they all want him to be. He also doesn't have disdain for conservatives. He questions things, especially the news since they frequently hit him hard. I used to not like him, but have warmed up as he calls out CNN and others. Plus his cars are cool. Stock is insanely overvalued, but the cars are really fun. I think he's ok. He's definitely not in the Bezos, Zuckerberg, Dorsey mold.
Clearly he's been happy to oblige them.
All of this has been made possible by liberalism:
Tesla's growth depends a lot on the green new deal mandating more BEV electric vehicles. The (currently expired) tax credits had the American taxpayer subsidizing wealthy people buying expensive Model S/X
Tesla only makes money because it sells carbon credits. It loses money selling cars. In Q3 2020: $331 million profit, of which $397 million were carbon credit sales.
Quick googling says that Tesla/SpaceX have received $5 Billion in government handouts
You're not wrong, but also what do you expect him to do? If the government is dumb enough to offer him free money, he'd be a terrible businessman if he turned it down.
Exactly. They say the same thing about Trump.
Yeah that's why i didn't like him before, taking advantage of tax credits to sustain his business. But the part you quoted, i was referring to his not conforming to them the way they do cancel culture, political correctness and their general mob mentality. He has frequently stood up to their bs, like calling out fake news directly. Here he is tearing cnn a new asshole... https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1250694035984969732?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1250694035984969732%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftownhall.com%2Ftipsheet%2Fleahbarkoukis%2F2020%2F04%2F16%2Felon-musk-hits-cnn-over-fake-news-on-ventilators-n2567038
Unfortunately with our corporatism laws, big corps cant compete wothout it. So does a person avoid the money out of principle and get left behind or take it and persue their vision?
Seems he is a fraud.
For freedom and does business in China after all that has been exposed about them even just over past year?
He will flip whichever way has more profit.
Which is at least totally honest
He is also for building colonies in space. He even published a draft of some interplanetary law that says governments of earth have no right on properties in space LOL. Half his ideas may never work. If he can get transhumanism to work why not give it to those who want it? He has been calling the COVID bullshit for what it is - a scam - from very early on. Tons of people red pilled by him on this alone.
They tried everything to close down his Fremont factory due to china virus. And even before that, there was too much bs in his factory, with people spying on it with satellites and spies, trying to expose him. The county ordered him to close the factory. China meanwhile probably sucked his dick to get him to open a factory - they really go the extra mile to appease large companies, especially tech companies, so they can steal the tech and appropriate the plants later. If they do that to him, its his problem.
Dont see any reason to hate him tbh
Isn’t Tesla open source anyway?
Yes to the first one, hard no to the second.
Why China.. ffs.. Of all places, Elon.
He’s a business man who believes in his products, and not cancel culture.
If he is giving China (CCP) money by having his company there, he definitely believes in cancel culture by helping fund it.
Yeah, i listened to him on the rogan podcast about his implant bullshit. He doesnt get that he wont control that, and people dont get that he will sell it to the highest bidder, probably the cia.
He is probably making it FOR the 🤡
Yes, he is incredibly brilliant but I think he's an evil genius who is all on board with new age nwo ideals. I dont trust him.
I had hopes for Peter Thiel. Remember, he gave a speech at the 2016 Convention? AWOL? Complicit?
"let the free market choose" No thanks to neo-liberal slogans..
But we are free in that we aren't asking their permission. Damn straight.
well I agree (as i start waving middle finger to those slogans)
we are the majority, so neo-liberal slogans die very quickly when we stick together.
To be fair he didn't invent the internet. Just the World Wide Web. WWW and it's protocols and languages piggy back on the "former" military network called the internet.
I'm pretty sure that Al Gore invented the internet.
Al gore invented climate bs, he also funded and passed laws that helped the internet to grow
He also claimed to have created the internet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IejjnZYvMF8
Lol. Typical liberal lie I guess. Maybe 10 years later Pelosi will say she saved the Capitol.
He passed funding laws for research, which were important too but that doesnt make him a creator of the internet. The comments on the youtube video too have more insight
(should be HTTP and not HTML)
The person in OP is Tim Berners Lee - these guys were the actual engineers that invented the internet. Not a dynast politician from the DC swamp that Al Gore was
He created HTTP and HTML. He wrote the first web browser and server.
They are heroes in their own minds.
DOD built it.
Which was originally called "BARADA", (Basic Aerospace Research and Design Algorythm). As in "Klaatu Barada Nikto"...... Never let it be said that the old school NASA scientists did not have a sense of humor
Nickle!
Necktie!
Definitely and N word!
I saw a bacroynym designed to make a geeky Star Trek reference once buried in a command line interface.
Wasn't it arpanet or something similar?
But in my indoctrination camp, I mean... uh... school... I was told Al Gore invented the internet! Was it all a lie?
Report to the enlightenment camp!
This guy has been saying this for years. Literally nothing happens.
Same with Ted Nelson and project Xanadu. I think Nelson just lacks perspective on the practicality of his system.
I want it to be true sooner than expected. Like last year sooner.
Urbit already did it.
So do we need a Unix workstation or something to get it going or what?
It looks like it's just Linux or Mac for the time being, although I'm sure they plan to add a Windows version eventually, whenever eventually is.
https://urbit.org/using/install/
You really need to read the site and/or YouTube it. It replaces Unix, Linux, MS, Apple, Chrome, etc. It's built from the ground up.
I was taught that the internet network was originally made (by the government) as a way to have mass redundancy (should communication be cut in areas - like nuclear war).
That's why TCP/IP packets check if they have been delivered instead of the existing UDP packets that just send info and ignore if it worked. The redundancy was also existent in the root servers. There isn't just one source, it's multiples (used to be about 12 root servers).
So the route you take from and to a resource has alternate paths it can take because allllll these computers are online and routing, the packets sent can be double checked, and the translations from domain (ex. thedonald.win) to ip (ex. 111.111.111.222) were also existent in multiple places because you can set those in your host file on a single computer, for a network as DNS, then again all the way back to checking the root servers.
These names were involved with the original network - Darpanet, Arpanet, National Science Foundation (they were the last ones to get it once the govt. was done w/it and I think they actually decided it could be good for public use).
I looked at the new project and it looks like his concept is to give your access out to sites but there are problems that keep coming up like... how do you control scraping... how do you ensure someone doesn't keep residual data or resell it... so far it looks to me like he is expecting honesty from all parties and that's a challenge to meet.
Google dropped their "Don't be evil" slogan long ago and Facebook openly yoinks privacy. Any image search is already "content" made by others. Same with all the social media and forums like this. All this content produced doesn't COME from the people running it - it usually comes from people giving it away. The company merely facilitates the arrangement of displaying it and keeping it sorted. None of them "create" content so if you keep all the content from them... how will they survive when they can't act as the packager.
I thought about learning about his APIs but then I saw that they were using React and that disheartened me because React was made up by Facebook and I avoid it. How could the guy who created the DOM and HTML abandon them for a Facebook product??? That one had me scratching my head. Giving up the DOM means giving up all the semantics already in place for SEO. That's dopey and would mean you'd have to come up with new signalling for search engines to scrape and sort content. It reminds me of people that want to use Canvas instead of HTML (because flash is dead). There is so much you give up when computers have had HTML to sort with since oooooh about the 90's.
Once I saw React I jumped back so did not investigate their server setup - if they aren't using similar redundancy then they lose the best part of the TCP/IP structure. If they are just laying on top of the existing TCP/IP network then their data will get sucked into storage just like all the normal internet data so isn't protected any deeper. Just make sure it comes with encryption. That's probably the most important feature these days - some level of obfuscation that requires time to re-open versus just plain text that can be sorted earlier.
What are your thoughts on Urbit ?
Another poster just mentioned it.
Hadn't heard of it until this post. Something new to look at - it seems.
just because facebook made react doesn't mean he can't use it.. Its just a client side programming language
Oracle has entered the chat...
:)
You mean it wasn’t Al Gore? <gasp>
"Don't complain, build."
+1
Is that Al Gore?
Al gore didnt invent the internet lol. Damn the libbies tried to peddle their lies even back then.
To be fair he never said it himself. He said that he funded and passed laws that helped the internet to grow. Vince Cerf confirmed this as correct and he DID invent the internet.
Fake news. Al Gore created the internet.
But the MSM told me Al Gore build the internet.
that don't look like Al Gore
That's not Al Gore? Lol
Oh fuck does that mean I have to re-upload all these MEMES?
Tim Berners-Lee didn't kill himself.
Oh this cant come soon enough
Brilliant idea, thank you! Be careful. You might get suicided.
This is several years old and not actually useful for us.
Internet is not the problem, FB is the problem, and a lack of a legal foundation. New internet will have its own FB (the most popular site that can manipulate public opinion at will), and then what? There is always someone who is in charge (CEO, board of directors, mods, sponsors, advertisers, etc), you can't eliminate that, we need to come up with some regulations instead.
I think there should be a government regulated subdivision of the internet where everyone can post only under their real name and have full legal responsibility for their words, no different than posting in a newspaper. If someone doesn't agree with whatever is said the only way to take it down is to go to court and prove it violates the law. If you want to just shitpost anonymously then you can go to "regular" internet and post it there but be ready to be banned for no reason (just like now).
Hahaha not falling for it a second time. If they have to tell us they don't control the data, I am sure they do
Let's be honest, any system where you transmit data somewhere will always have the ability for someone who you don't want to have the data to gain access to it. The only way to break away from that is to destroy the internet in its entirety and go back to a paper based system, which in itself isn't foolproof, but probably more secure.
He has been talking about this for several years.
Got product?
Suck it Jin-Yang!
I thought Al Gore invented the internet.
bankers and corporations are behind it.. Banks have unlimited money to snap him and corpo using their media will cut him off. u know...gasoline engines are very outdated
Tim Berners-Lee did not kill himself
They're totally going to suicide this guy.
He probably should have done this in the background and not told anyone.
HELL YES. How do I Uptrump a thousand times?
Good going, guy. You just initiated the Clinton Suicide Machine. Expect to be found dead from three rounds to the back of the head, from “suicide”...
Whats the company called? Wanna invest
Sonuvabitch, I'M IN!
I thought Al Gore built the internet? He didn’t lie to me, did he?
THIS - screw these bastards that are using our personas for product and then lording over us with illegitimate, unassigned power.
Sign me up! I would join this new internet!
He had such an idealistic concept of what the WWW would be like: a creative free-for-all, a free speech haven, a force for democracy. It's good to see him come back to the forefront. We're seeing a groundswell of really smart IT people infuriated by Big Tech fascism. It's very encouraging to see.
This is what I want in 2021, if Covid fades away (it won't) and if someone creates a free speech internet without the awful, evil things the current web has, I would be very happy.
I don't see a link anywhere, here's the sauce: https://www.indiatimes.com/technology/news/tim-berners-lee-inrupt-solid-software-user-privacy-data-protection-531637.html
I have never been to the India Times website before!
This. This is fuckin awesome. Itll be the first big breakthrough in net tech since the 90s. This is gonna piss off every big tech corp, and lawsuits will be filed.
Loud noises!
Tim Berners Lee is a man with great intentions but he is way too academic to be effective. His last few Internet redos have been DOA.
At least someone with a voice like he has is floating the idea.
I wouldn't expect lightning to strike the same guy twice anyway.
My guess is that it will be based on blockchain and distributed computing in some way, making it where you either have to take the entire internet down, or those in authority just have to deal with the fact that they don't get to control things any more. No one put them in charge anyway, I can say that with confidence now. They only have the threat of force, not the threat of righteousness and lawfulness.
Wait. Al Gore said he invented the interwebs.
Hopefully they dont Jeffery Epstein him
can we call it the "outernet" ?
Al Gore: "bubububut muh Internet".
too little
too late
Alread done. See Urbit.
This isn't Al Gore.