fun fact: mRNA can be used to inject novel strains of genetic material into new cells. apart from the fact that nobody knows what the fuck this thing does, also nobody knows what the long-term effects will be. there's a reason mRNA treatments have never been approved in use in human patients before: ethical concerns that it might cause cancer. if you interrupt the expression of telomere chains, you could accelerate cellular degeneration. not saying that will happen, but there's no way to know that it won't. they're gonna inject a billion guinea pigs and see what happens.
In past experiments involving respiratory infections they used ferrets to test mRNA vaccines. The results were that the vaccines worked until the ferrets got sick again, very sick, and died. They don't know why. They couldn't get passed animal testing until now.
And if they end up killing millions of people with it, they'll just say "Well, that's good for the environment, so bad is good!".
...Even though the principle cause of overpopulation on the planet is third world countries. India, Africa, China.....that's where the primary loads of overpopulation are. If you combine the US and Europe, that's just under 1 billion people.
If you combine India and China, that's 3 billion people alone. If you look at Africa alone, that's more people than the US and EU combined.
And what do you think pollution will look like when they all get electricity? They could use 1/3rd of the electricity per person than we do, and still pollute as much as we do. And we don't even use that much damn electricity! Most people use 5-10w LED bulbs and at best, 50-100w bulbs. A 1000w microwave runs for like 5 minutes or less a day. That's not even a full Kwh.
PC's are soo efficient, they use around 100-200w while running. That's like running 4 light bulbs in a house in the 1990's. Throw in some gaming, and you're using maybe double that. Just the more efficient bulbs we have today, is like if the internet age never even happened. It's no different than if a family in the 80's is using several light bulbs around the house.
That's the thing, we've MORE than surpassed the requirements of the Paris Accords in a sense. We haven't reduced our total emissions (because you know, populations grow and immigration makes populations grow too), but we have made things over 5-10 times more energy efficient.
And we're just a drop in the bucket compared to the tidal wave that's coming when the third world gets all the basic amenities we have. It will be consumption on scales ten times that of ours....more even, considering to have the technology, they also need to build their countries up from the dirt.....something we did more than a century ago.
IDK its not a normal vaccine, first mRNA vaccine ever approved for humans, id call it gene splicing really.
Well the science says its safe.
Maybe it is I'll see what happens with the first guinea pigs, and if they start shooting bees out their hands then I'll gladly join our bioshock inspired dystopia.
that is their claim, but they can't hide from the fact that mRNA treatments have been proposed for decades, and shot down due to ethical concerns for decades. there are thousands of published articles about why mRNA is too risky for use in human patients.
Edit: also worth pointing out, there is a growing body of evidence to suggest that RNA -- specifically mRNA -- plays a crucial role in the development of many types of cancer
They don't know shit! Science finds out OOPS I WAS WRONG all the damn time. I don't care if theoretically something should not happen. What it does once it actually enters the human body can be a whole other ballgame.
Not exactly. mRNA determines the order of amino acids to be used in the formation of a protein. Protein folding is mostly controlled by how those amino acids interact with each other.
The reason they had to do this is because "Covid-19" cannot be isolated let alone create dead virus to give you like a traditional vaccine. That's how we all know Covid-19 isn't real. It doesn't exist.
Can you help me understand how and why my wife and mother-in-law both recently lost their sense of taste and smell, describing it as a novel experience, while they and our entire family experienced significant fatigue, and the one individual tested popped positive? I’m extremely skeptical of any “official” information, and at this point fully believe that SARS-COV19 was developed in a lab, likely in Wuhan. I’m open-minded, though, and would welcome any information you could share that would support your assertion that there’s no such thing as COVID-19.
The influenza vaccine is well understood, all they do each year is switch the strain based upon estimated outbreaks and mutations.
It would take a year or two to develop a Coronavirus vaccine + a year of tests. This new "mRNA" is a shortcut. It's messy because they haven't used it ever before.
No opinion here, just fact. I'm a bit indifferent until I see solid evidence on either side.
Why do you need evidence to agree that rushing a vaccination of a type that has never before been approved for human experimentation to billions of people isn't a good idea?
But it’s not. Regular flu vaccines are made from weakened virus. This is a MRNA vaccine that has only been tested in trials but never approved to use before. I think it was being developed for cancer treatment. It affects your dna.
Not all flu vaccines are made from attenuated viruses though. There are recombinant vaccines for flu like Flublok, which is generated in bioreactors. You're right that mRNA vaccines have been mainly tested for cancer though. They don't integrate themselves into the host genome however, so they don't actually modify your DNA.
Why not when its just a flu vaccine?
We wish. Instead they used the opportunity to push a whole new technology of mRNA “vaccine,” that’s not really a vaccine by definition at all.
Someone gets it! I've been saying "gene splicing" or "genetic modification" any chance I get, and throw in some Bioshock references for the lulz
fun fact: mRNA can be used to inject novel strains of genetic material into new cells. apart from the fact that nobody knows what the fuck this thing does, also nobody knows what the long-term effects will be. there's a reason mRNA treatments have never been approved in use in human patients before: ethical concerns that it might cause cancer. if you interrupt the expression of telomere chains, you could accelerate cellular degeneration. not saying that will happen, but there's no way to know that it won't. they're gonna inject a billion guinea pigs and see what happens.
So this is how the zombie apocalypse begins....
In past experiments involving respiratory infections they used ferrets to test mRNA vaccines. The results were that the vaccines worked until the ferrets got sick again, very sick, and died. They don't know why. They couldn't get passed animal testing until now.
And if they end up killing millions of people with it, they'll just say "Well, that's good for the environment, so bad is good!".
...Even though the principle cause of overpopulation on the planet is third world countries. India, Africa, China.....that's where the primary loads of overpopulation are. If you combine the US and Europe, that's just under 1 billion people.
If you combine India and China, that's 3 billion people alone. If you look at Africa alone, that's more people than the US and EU combined.
And what do you think pollution will look like when they all get electricity? They could use 1/3rd of the electricity per person than we do, and still pollute as much as we do. And we don't even use that much damn electricity! Most people use 5-10w LED bulbs and at best, 50-100w bulbs. A 1000w microwave runs for like 5 minutes or less a day. That's not even a full Kwh.
PC's are soo efficient, they use around 100-200w while running. That's like running 4 light bulbs in a house in the 1990's. Throw in some gaming, and you're using maybe double that. Just the more efficient bulbs we have today, is like if the internet age never even happened. It's no different than if a family in the 80's is using several light bulbs around the house.
That's the thing, we've MORE than surpassed the requirements of the Paris Accords in a sense. We haven't reduced our total emissions (because you know, populations grow and immigration makes populations grow too), but we have made things over 5-10 times more energy efficient.
And we're just a drop in the bucket compared to the tidal wave that's coming when the third world gets all the basic amenities we have. It will be consumption on scales ten times that of ours....more even, considering to have the technology, they also need to build their countries up from the dirt.....something we did more than a century ago.
They've also had really bad results in animal trials with mRNA in the past.
Yeah but there's also, like, just as good a chance that we get superpowers or some shit... Like the Hulk or Spiderman... Right?
genetic modification of foods, NO WAY! Genetically modification of peoples, YES PLEASE
Right? Leftists hate GMOs, but they're happy for this??? The lack of logic is mind-boggling.
Mutagenic serum hmmmMmmm
Haven't played bioshock in... a decade maybe? Remind me with some references!
Used Atlas Shrugged as inspiration for the game lore & turned John Galt & Libertarianism into the bad guy.
Typical convo ive been having:
Are you getting the vaccine?
IDK its not a normal vaccine, first mRNA vaccine ever approved for humans, id call it gene splicing really.
Well the science says its safe.
Maybe it is I'll see what happens with the first guinea pigs, and if they start shooting bees out their hands then I'll gladly join our bioshock inspired dystopia.
Would you kindly...
Would you kindly!
I hope the new game comes out by next year
Theres a new Bioshock?!
Yeah, I'm not beta testing no fucking vaccine, thanks.
If it renders liberals sterile maybe they'll have fixed our problems for us in 3~ decades.
that is their claim, but they can't hide from the fact that mRNA treatments have been proposed for decades, and shot down due to ethical concerns for decades. there are thousands of published articles about why mRNA is too risky for use in human patients.
Edit: also worth pointing out, there is a growing body of evidence to suggest that RNA -- specifically mRNA -- plays a crucial role in the development of many types of cancer
Sorry to be this guy but do you had any examples, Google is being a douche
It can’t...unless it has a reverse transcriptase, or the mRNA codes for a reverse transcriptase.
They don't know shit! Science finds out OOPS I WAS WRONG all the damn time. I don't care if theoretically something should not happen. What it does once it actually enters the human body can be a whole other ballgame.
Doing ding ding!!!
Interesting idea.. but the RTase gene is not something that can be encoded in mRNA. This would only work with a plasmid DNA vector.
I've never considered this concept though.. "in vivo PCR". has this ever been done?
Does it not tell proteins how to fold? Isn't that what DNA does? So does it do the same thing as DNA whether it affects it or not?
Not exactly. mRNA determines the order of amino acids to be used in the formation of a protein. Protein folding is mostly controlled by how those amino acids interact with each other.
Wise tactic. What about HIV RNA?
Axeine
As in they want to give us all the axe
I wonder what the GMO people think.
There are some important differences between developing a vaccine for a novel corona virus and developing an anticipatory vaccine for seasonal flu.
Beyond that, we're talking about mRNA biotech, which is a whole different thing from traditional vaccines.
The reason they had to do this is because "Covid-19" cannot be isolated let alone create dead virus to give you like a traditional vaccine. That's how we all know Covid-19 isn't real. It doesn't exist.
Can you help me understand how and why my wife and mother-in-law both recently lost their sense of taste and smell, describing it as a novel experience, while they and our entire family experienced significant fatigue, and the one individual tested popped positive? I’m extremely skeptical of any “official” information, and at this point fully believe that SARS-COV19 was developed in a lab, likely in Wuhan. I’m open-minded, though, and would welcome any information you could share that would support your assertion that there’s no such thing as COVID-19.
Well I assume with a loss of taste and smell they have other Symptoms?
Amazing thank you. I'll pass this along!
I've tried explaining this to people a few times but I've yet to make an impact. At least you understand.
But the virtual model!
The influenza vaccine is well understood, all they do each year is switch the strain based upon estimated outbreaks and mutations.
It would take a year or two to develop a Coronavirus vaccine + a year of tests. This new "mRNA" is a shortcut. It's messy because they haven't used it ever before.
No opinion here, just fact. I'm a bit indifferent until I see solid evidence on either side.
Why do you need evidence to agree that rushing a vaccination of a type that has never before been approved for human experimentation to billions of people isn't a good idea?
I was only speaking on the merit of whether the vaccine is or is not evil.
I didn't comment about that. Yes it is rushed, that is a fact.
lol
But it’s not. Regular flu vaccines are made from weakened virus. This is a MRNA vaccine that has only been tested in trials but never approved to use before. I think it was being developed for cancer treatment. It affects your dna.
Not all flu vaccines are made from attenuated viruses though. There are recombinant vaccines for flu like Flublok, which is generated in bioreactors. You're right that mRNA vaccines have been mainly tested for cancer though. They don't integrate themselves into the host genome however, so they don't actually modify your DNA.