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Slothboy 8 points ago +8 / -0

Oregon is the same as california. Leaving the forest untouched is a religion for the state so we make it difficult to log, never clear underbrush, then wring our hands and scream about climate change when it all burns down.

Clown world

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Ilanna 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'm grateful that here in AZ they take wildfires seriously. The people managing the Coronado National Forest near where I live are out year round clearing underbrush, cutting down lone dead trees, etc. They even take large areas of dead, standing and dead, fallen trees and allow people to come in and haul them away for firewood and such. Dead, fallen is free and a minimal charge for dead, standing.

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Stable-Genius 1 point ago +1 / -0

Us land owners want to (and do illegallt to some extent) clear the shit out but they have whole fucking teams of assholes in priuses looking at sat images for any changes to the forest, and they will follow equipment being moved and come on to your property without a permission to fine you and the courts will back them up. You live life in fear of the eco warriors working for the government.

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Stable-Genius 1 point ago +1 / -0

No you cannot if they determine that it is a certain kind of forest or a certain kind of animal lives there, or if you clearing land would cause runoff into a creek that would kill fish etc. Basically you can if you meet all these conditions, which are impossible to meet for the basic person. If you are a massive corp and can pay lawyers millions to get them to approve your projects then you can do them.

God help you if they find a red legged frog in your ag pond.

The best thing about the fires is when you get burnt to the ground you were allowed 18 months to make all the roads you wanted on your property or cut down trees and stuff and they agreed not to care for that time. You wouldn't believe how hard it is to make a road on your own property.