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mimefortheblind 2 points ago +2 / -0

Let's go very, very, slowly.... I don't actually disagree with you. At least not in the most technical sense. Your methodology for getting there is dangerous. Starting this fight here is an embarrassment. Those are my concerns.

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ListenCarefully [S] -2 points ago +1 / -3

If a lump of clay had the ability to shape itself then we could say free will exists, but clay doesn't budge, unless it is in the hands of the potter. Have you never read:

There is no one who calls on Your name, Who arouses himself to take hold of You; For You have hidden Your face from us And have delivered us into the power of our iniquities. But now, O Lord, You are our Father, We are the clay, and You our potter; And all of us are the work of Your hand. — Isaiah 64:7-8

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mimefortheblind 2 points ago +2 / -0

You didn't understand a thing I wrote, did you? This is the Donald.win. Go do fundamentalist stuff someplace else.

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ListenCarefully [S] -2 points ago +1 / -3

You don't know what you're talking about. There isn't in any sense technical or whatever otherwise free will.