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I challenge anyone in here who believes man has free will to find this taught in the Bible. You won't find it.
posted ago by ListenCarefully ago by ListenCarefully +4 / -3

I want verses, not your empty philosophies that amount to nothing.

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– Monzie 1 point ago +1 / -0

Let me also add that "predetermined" means that God planned His solution ahead of time.

"He chose us" -- He planned to make peoples who would belong to Him before making the world. This is talking about the church, not some predetermined thing like Joe's saved and Sally isn't no matter what they do.

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