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JackLemon 1 point ago +2 / -1

"invest any effort"

There is is, try to mask laziness as patriotism.

You blithering idiot. Not wasting effort on something pointless, but rather something useful isn't laziness, it's intelligence. No wonder you would miss such obvious logic.

With people as dumb as you trying to help them, the demise of the GOP is assured.

Do I also understand correctly that you are both arguing voting doesn't work but that you are going to support third party candidates? How does that make any sense?

It depends on the situation, where you live and whether the election is national, state, local or civic. Again this isn't hard to figure out.

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Kraotic 1 point ago +1 / -0

As to the second part, look man you do realize that if you get a third party candidate elected they'll just caucus with the GOP right? I mean Bernies Sanders until he ran for president didn't run as a Democrat, he still voted with them though.

So I'm all for you on trying to get alternate candidates but don't get hung up on this oh they're with the GOP or not stuff. They're with us or against us, that's what matters.

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JackLemon 1 point ago +2 / -1

Agreed for the most part. The third party will be better able to broker deals with the GOP especially if it grows and has many elected representatives. The elites have done well to suppress viable third parties in America. More parties make it more difficult for them to control. I also think a viable conservative third party will aid the creation of a leftist party thus diminishing the Dimms power.

If the uni-party remains unchallenged I don't see how the country survives. One only has to examine how they have conspired to radically change America from what it was just 60 years ago to what it is today. The majority of men who fought in WW II and Korea would be absolutely shocked at our decline and the mainstream anti-American, anti-constitution, anti-white beliefs that now dominate our culture.

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Kraotic 2 points ago +2 / -0

My main thing, and I'm serious about this is I just don't want people feeling demoralized and giving up. We have to fight to improve things but also keep spirits up, you know?

I'm all for what ever weakens the establishments hold, but it needs to be smart and pragmatic. I think we can do a lot of great things, but we are fighting a corrupt system. I think either way a MAGA caucus or something along those lines would be an important step.

I would add an anecdote. A couple months ago I was just out in my yard and an old guy comes shuffling by. Korean war vet, and we start talking about he'd been through a lot. Brother recently passed etc... but on his own volition he starts complaining about the Democrats, the riots, all of that and saying how it is all their fault.

I think we know who the bad guys are, but we do have to figure out how to wrest control from them. I don't see it as impossible though. It takes focus and organization.

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JackLemon 0 points ago +1 / -1

What you posted is all true. Unfortunately, change will not happen via the ballot box and supporting the treacherous, anti-American GOP is not a viable alternative. They have betrayed us far too many times. To paraphrase Einstein, doing the same thing over and over again (like voting for the GOP) and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.