Two of the sharpest criminal lawyers I've met were former district attorneys. One from each side of the aisle. Oddly, the democrat was ousted in the primary last time by one of Soros minions.
Lawyer here, they absolutely can and will. You're only entitled to Miranda rights when you're placed in custody, which is usually only once you've been arrested. Tell them politely that you're invoking your right against self incrimination and your right to an attorney and that you will only provide them with your name and identification.
I think it's similar to needing a search warrant. There are exceptions where they don't need it but it makes it way easier for them to use evidence if they get the permission first.
They'll say you gave the information freely and without coercion and fuck you with it. If you walk down the street and tell a cop you're high on marijuana and have a bag in your pocket it's not illegal for him to arrest you based on that, even though he didn't read you your miranda rights.
In actuality they'll probably be coercing and threatening you to get you to say stuff, but what actually matters it how it is presented in court, and it's going to be the word of a lot of government agents in court vs you.
Really, just asking the questions is how they nail a lot of people because they'll often start with something innocuous, simple, polite... it pressures people into feeling like an antisocial prick for not answering. This is why you should practice the mantras beforehand. Like actually read them aloud. Right now, if you can.
This is an incredibly important point. Many cops will pretend to be your friend, and the natural human response is to engage these people in conversation. Don’t fall for it.
You know, from the time I was driving, I never needed any kind of instruction on how to deal with the police. It just came naturally from my supremely untrusting nature. I asked for an attorney the first time I was pulled over speeding. Asked on the spot. The cop shook his head and drove away.
Yes. Be very clear. Don’t ask if you should get a lawyer. Don’t say maybe I should talk to a lawyer. Anything less than an unequivocal request for a lawyer can be spun later to say you didn’t really ask for one. Requesting a lawyer also completely shuts down questioning (besides basic biographical questions). Invoking your right to silence only stops them for a few hours before they are allowed to re-engage you and ask you to answer questions (which you can obviously refuse again). If you ask for a lawyer they cannot re-engage with you at all.
Rule #1 if you are arrested (for anything).
Don't say anything other than "I want my lawyer".
It sucks we even have to say that
I don't 'have,' a lawyer, any advice on how to find a good one?
Two of the sharpest criminal lawyers I've met were former district attorneys. One from each side of the aisle. Oddly, the democrat was ousted in the primary last time by one of Soros minions.
Tell them you want a lawyer and have a friend or family find you one after the fact. Not having a lawyer doesn’t stop you from requesting one
Honest question. They cant use anything you say until they read you your Miranda rights, right?
Cops arrest or detain you (without reading you your Miranda rights)
You: "They didn't read me my Miranda rights."
Cops: "Yes we did. Prove we didn't."
TLDR: You are fucked if you said something.
Lawyer here, they absolutely can and will. You're only entitled to Miranda rights when you're placed in custody, which is usually only once you've been arrested. Tell them politely that you're invoking your right against self incrimination and your right to an attorney and that you will only provide them with your name and identification.
Good to know. Thanks
No. They can even lie to you as well. Miranda only applies to when you are in custody.
I think it's similar to needing a search warrant. There are exceptions where they don't need it but it makes it way easier for them to use evidence if they get the permission first.
They'll say you gave the information freely and without coercion and fuck you with it. If you walk down the street and tell a cop you're high on marijuana and have a bag in your pocket it's not illegal for him to arrest you based on that, even though he didn't read you your miranda rights.
In actuality they'll probably be coercing and threatening you to get you to say stuff, but what actually matters it how it is presented in court, and it's going to be the word of a lot of government agents in court vs you.
Really, just asking the questions is how they nail a lot of people because they'll often start with something innocuous, simple, polite... it pressures people into feeling like an antisocial prick for not answering. This is why you should practice the mantras beforehand. Like actually read them aloud. Right now, if you can.
This is an incredibly important point. Many cops will pretend to be your friend, and the natural human response is to engage these people in conversation. Don’t fall for it.
You know, from the time I was driving, I never needed any kind of instruction on how to deal with the police. It just came naturally from my supremely untrusting nature. I asked for an attorney the first time I was pulled over speeding. Asked on the spot. The cop shook his head and drove away.
You can do that in most Democrat run cities now.
Yes. Be very clear. Don’t ask if you should get a lawyer. Don’t say maybe I should talk to a lawyer. Anything less than an unequivocal request for a lawyer can be spun later to say you didn’t really ask for one. Requesting a lawyer also completely shuts down questioning (besides basic biographical questions). Invoking your right to silence only stops them for a few hours before they are allowed to re-engage you and ask you to answer questions (which you can obviously refuse again). If you ask for a lawyer they cannot re-engage with you at all.
Amen. Remaining silent = incriminating if later explained to a Jury. The 5th was ruined by Judges.
Only requesting the lawyer is allowed, repeatedly, as a response to any question or statement by the Feds/Cops.
I’m not sure who enforces these rules though.
Exactly. When you tell them to talk to your lawyer they literally walk away and leave your presence.
Even before being arrested.
This
“Sir do you know how fast you were going?”
“I want my lawyer”
"Sir you can't leave your dog there"
"I want my lawyer"
Just ask Gen. Flynn!