So why do I have to take into account the rotation of the earth into ballistic equations when firing artillery over several miles, or even a precision rifle at long ranges?
If we don't live on a round ball, then what do we live on and how does that make more sense and not break the laws of physics?
Does this also mean the moon landing and all subsequent launches were faked, including all videos and pictures produced by telescopes and satellites?
If the earth is flat, then why do survey coordinates in a flat local coordinate system on a map "shift" away from their locations in real life, the further and further you get from the very center of that local coordinate system? Why is the opposite true for a PCS?
If the earth is flat. Why are the sun and moon round?
How have the illuminati space lizard people been able to keep any difinitive evidence of a flat earth from ever appearing in the general population?
Solid questions, fren! As an admitted noob to FE, I don’t pretend to have all the answers, and the answers I will try to give may not be satisfactory. I will make the attempt, though.
CE - if a bullet or artillery shell traveling +/- 800 mph has to account for CE, wouldn’t a jet airliner also have to account for CE especially when landing on a runway that is not oriented perfectly east to west? Any deviation north or south would require some serious arial gymnastics, but even NASA states that flight equations figure operating over a flat, non-rotating earth https://www.galileolied.com/post/15-nasa-research-papers-admit-flat-nonrotating
What do we live on? Here we get into speculation as private exploration beyond the 60th parallel South are not allowed (Antarctic Treaty - late 1950s). My understanding is that we live in the Antarctic basin, the oceans being like a large pond and the continents are islands in that pond. Antarctica is not a frozen continent on the bottom of a globe, but the shoreline of the world’s oceans, the highest land on earth. Beyond the coast of Antarctica we simply do not know.
Moon landings - I do believe they were faked. One evidence is communications. Remember the Red Bull “Edge of Space” jump a few years back? Around 2012 or so...anyway, the ground team said they had a hard time communicating with Felix at 128,000 feet, yet we are supposed to believe that President Nixon spoke with astronauts on the moon on a land line with no delay in 1972. Please.
Survey coordinates - I have no idea.
Sun and moon - a thing can be round without being a sphere, and the shape of a light bulb in your ceiling has no bearing on the floor under your feet. It can be demonstrated that they are both of similar size, each give their own light, and are quite close to the face of the earth.
How this is kept hidden - NASA has a budget in the realm of $50 million a DAY. Pretty good budget for CGI and whatnot. All of our schools are funded and dictated to by the same government that runs NASA. It seems a very coordinated effort.
I hope this gives some food for thought. I still count you as a fren, though we may disagree on this.
"wouldn’t a jet airliner also have to account for CE especially when landing on a runway that is not oriented perfectly east to west?"
Well, two answers. The first is that jet airliners do account for this in their navigation systems. Second is that jets are under constant variable acceleration. Jets can turn, accelerate, and decelerate during the entire flight, so compensation for the earths rotation can be distributed over the course of the flight. For ballistic flight, you must compensate by adjusting the windage an elevation of the barrel, after the projectile is in flight, no further adjustments can be made. For long range shots, the coreolis effect will "appear" to be a significant adjustment to your aim, whereas many smaller adjustments over the course of a flight may not even be noticeable to a pilot. The coreolis effect was first discovered in WWI when artillery batteries tried to bombard cities at great distances, and found their real point of impact to be considerably off from the calculated point of impact until the rotation of the earth was factored in.
"Moon landing"
The fake moon landing theory is more credible than flat earth, there are some eyebrow raising features of that theory. However, I do not believe it was faked. You completely lose me when we start assuming every single other satellite ever sent up is also faked, when my career and focus of study involves GPS and satellites that definitely do exist. See survey coordinates below.
"Survey coordinates - I have no idea."
I work with GIS systems and can tell you definitively that flat local grids don't work more any considerable distance from the intersect point of the flat grid and the earths sphere, and it is a massive pain in the ass trying to make them work when clients require that we use them. However, spherical coordinates do work. You can convert readily between coordinate systems with little to no loss of accuracy when you stick inside spherical coordinates, and this can be seen in real world applications such as using those coordinates for surveying. Modern survey grade GIS/GPS systems are centimeter accurate. I can locate a pebble in the real world reliably within 1 centimeter and plot it on a map every time, provided there are no multiparty issues with the GPS (which is explained pretty readily if you assume that everyone is NOT lying and the GPS receives its signals from real sattelites.)
"Sun and moon"
The sun and moon are round because they are spheres, which is the natural shape for a large body to take once that body is large enough for its own gravity to become the dominant force acting on it. If the sun and moon were cylindrical, they would defy all our current laws of gravity which have never been disproven in any laboratory experiment or observation. The "edges" of the cylinder would be further from the center point of the cylinder for some unexplained reason, as if someone had cookie cutter punched them out of a sheet and placed them in the sky. We must also consider the day night cycle, and how constellations move across the sky. All of these things are observable from your own backyard and contradict any theory that suggests these celestial bodies are not spherical and not acting under gravitational and centrifugal forces.
"How this is kept hidden"
It isn't just NASA, it would have to be a global collaboration between space agencies, between nations which are enemies, China, Russia, the USA, to conceal the truth, in addition to private entities which have launched sattelites into space. There are also many, many people working for these agencies who may not directly benefit from the high budget, and not one janitor has been a whistle-blower and leaked documents or images that contradict what is globally accepted? I find that hard to believe and more unlikely than that at least most of if not all of the photos and images taken from space by all of these agencies are real.
Man, you are coming in way over my head! Like I said, I’m new to FE, and there’s a LOT I don’t know, so you’ve given me some things to consider. I appreciate you taking the time. I know there are lots of things that work on a globe and on FE, and some that only work with one or the other.
I do think the world governments work together to maintain the deception. There’s no way one could do it without the cooperation of the rest. I don’t think every person in NASA, for example is in on it. I’m sure most are people doing a job and have no idea. Much of it is compartmentalized and only a few near the top would have to know the whole story.
Anyway, it looks like I’ve got some things to look into. Thanks again for taking the time, fren!
So why do I have to take into account the rotation of the earth into ballistic equations when firing artillery over several miles, or even a precision rifle at long ranges?
If we don't live on a round ball, then what do we live on and how does that make more sense and not break the laws of physics?
Does this also mean the moon landing and all subsequent launches were faked, including all videos and pictures produced by telescopes and satellites?
If the earth is flat, then why do survey coordinates in a flat local coordinate system on a map "shift" away from their locations in real life, the further and further you get from the very center of that local coordinate system? Why is the opposite true for a PCS?
If the earth is flat. Why are the sun and moon round?
How have the illuminati space lizard people been able to keep any difinitive evidence of a flat earth from ever appearing in the general population?
Solid questions, fren! As an admitted noob to FE, I don’t pretend to have all the answers, and the answers I will try to give may not be satisfactory. I will make the attempt, though.
CE - if a bullet or artillery shell traveling +/- 800 mph has to account for CE, wouldn’t a jet airliner also have to account for CE especially when landing on a runway that is not oriented perfectly east to west? Any deviation north or south would require some serious arial gymnastics, but even NASA states that flight equations figure operating over a flat, non-rotating earth https://www.galileolied.com/post/15-nasa-research-papers-admit-flat-nonrotating
What do we live on? Here we get into speculation as private exploration beyond the 60th parallel South are not allowed (Antarctic Treaty - late 1950s). My understanding is that we live in the Antarctic basin, the oceans being like a large pond and the continents are islands in that pond. Antarctica is not a frozen continent on the bottom of a globe, but the shoreline of the world’s oceans, the highest land on earth. Beyond the coast of Antarctica we simply do not know.
Moon landings - I do believe they were faked. One evidence is communications. Remember the Red Bull “Edge of Space” jump a few years back? Around 2012 or so...anyway, the ground team said they had a hard time communicating with Felix at 128,000 feet, yet we are supposed to believe that President Nixon spoke with astronauts on the moon on a land line with no delay in 1972. Please.
Survey coordinates - I have no idea.
Sun and moon - a thing can be round without being a sphere, and the shape of a light bulb in your ceiling has no bearing on the floor under your feet. It can be demonstrated that they are both of similar size, each give their own light, and are quite close to the face of the earth.
How this is kept hidden - NASA has a budget in the realm of $50 million a DAY. Pretty good budget for CGI and whatnot. All of our schools are funded and dictated to by the same government that runs NASA. It seems a very coordinated effort.
I hope this gives some food for thought. I still count you as a fren, though we may disagree on this.
"wouldn’t a jet airliner also have to account for CE especially when landing on a runway that is not oriented perfectly east to west?"
Well, two answers. The first is that jet airliners do account for this in their navigation systems. Second is that jets are under constant variable acceleration. Jets can turn, accelerate, and decelerate during the entire flight, so compensation for the earths rotation can be distributed over the course of the flight. For ballistic flight, you must compensate by adjusting the windage an elevation of the barrel, after the projectile is in flight, no further adjustments can be made. For long range shots, the coreolis effect will "appear" to be a significant adjustment to your aim, whereas many smaller adjustments over the course of a flight may not even be noticeable to a pilot. The coreolis effect was first discovered in WWI when artillery batteries tried to bombard cities at great distances, and found their real point of impact to be considerably off from the calculated point of impact until the rotation of the earth was factored in.
"Moon landing"
The fake moon landing theory is more credible than flat earth, there are some eyebrow raising features of that theory. However, I do not believe it was faked. You completely lose me when we start assuming every single other satellite ever sent up is also faked, when my career and focus of study involves GPS and satellites that definitely do exist. See survey coordinates below.
"Survey coordinates - I have no idea."
I work with GIS systems and can tell you definitively that flat local grids don't work more any considerable distance from the intersect point of the flat grid and the earths sphere, and it is a massive pain in the ass trying to make them work when clients require that we use them. However, spherical coordinates do work. You can convert readily between coordinate systems with little to no loss of accuracy when you stick inside spherical coordinates, and this can be seen in real world applications such as using those coordinates for surveying. Modern survey grade GIS/GPS systems are centimeter accurate. I can locate a pebble in the real world reliably within 1 centimeter and plot it on a map every time, provided there are no multiparty issues with the GPS (which is explained pretty readily if you assume that everyone is NOT lying and the GPS receives its signals from real sattelites.)
"Sun and moon"
The sun and moon are round because they are spheres, which is the natural shape for a large body to take once that body is large enough for its own gravity to become the dominant force acting on it. If the sun and moon were cylindrical, they would defy all our current laws of gravity which have never been disproven in any laboratory experiment or observation. The "edges" of the cylinder would be further from the center point of the cylinder for some unexplained reason, as if someone had cookie cutter punched them out of a sheet and placed them in the sky. We must also consider the day night cycle, and how constellations move across the sky. All of these things are observable from your own backyard and contradict any theory that suggests these celestial bodies are not spherical and not acting under gravitational and centrifugal forces.
"How this is kept hidden"
It isn't just NASA, it would have to be a global collaboration between space agencies, between nations which are enemies, China, Russia, the USA, to conceal the truth, in addition to private entities which have launched sattelites into space. There are also many, many people working for these agencies who may not directly benefit from the high budget, and not one janitor has been a whistle-blower and leaked documents or images that contradict what is globally accepted? I find that hard to believe and more unlikely than that at least most of if not all of the photos and images taken from space by all of these agencies are real.
Man, you are coming in way over my head! Like I said, I’m new to FE, and there’s a LOT I don’t know, so you’ve given me some things to consider. I appreciate you taking the time. I know there are lots of things that work on a globe and on FE, and some that only work with one or the other.
I do think the world governments work together to maintain the deception. There’s no way one could do it without the cooperation of the rest. I don’t think every person in NASA, for example is in on it. I’m sure most are people doing a job and have no idea. Much of it is compartmentalized and only a few near the top would have to know the whole story.
Anyway, it looks like I’ve got some things to look into. Thanks again for taking the time, fren!