I don't know, there are advantages to a 3rd party. No baggage from all the shit that republicans have done. And no negative image from it.
Of course, for a third party to actually work, it would take Donald Trump creating it, not Bobby Piton. And it would still likely take more than one election cycle to win.
And of course all of that is predicated on actually having the ability to have a real election.
We just need their fundraisers. But I think WINRED does a great job. But what we REALLY need is bright minds with America and the Constitution at heart. We need fighters that fight with words, we need people not afraid to be unpopular sometimes. We NO DO NOT NEED CHINESE PUPPETS
We just witnessed the cowardice and corruption of the GOP from top to bottom, from the judicial to legislative to executive branches, from the federal to state to election official levels.
The Republican Party is made of 3 main parts - the Politicians - the BIG MONEY DONORS (who can write a Million dollar check or more) - and the Voting Base.
'We' are the Base.
We voted for Trump in MASSIVE NUMBERS IN THE 2016 Republican Primary... HISTORIC NUMBERS.
We still support Trump - and we are VERY VERY OPPOSED TO the Romney class Rino Turncoats.
All we need to do is really vote in more Trumper Candidates... and the Party will be ours 100%.
Voting is the ultimate power, as long as there is no Fraud.
Without Election Day in person voting with voter ID and no automatic registration of illegal immigrants through the DMV and equal representation in the vote supervision and counting your vote is meaningless
Trump was only elected 4 years ago. you have to give the Nation some time.... to adjust. The last real Populist was Reagan... Populism is growing as a response to Globalism... this is not over.. not be a long shot.
as for Vote System Repair. I think local level republicans in various state houses can fix some of these problems.
I think GA can be fixed.
AZ can be fixed.
MI and WI - IDK.
PA likley lost forever. Until the corruption is outed.
Third party is for idiots. All it would do is split the GOP vote and give the Ds every office.
Take over the GOP. Run for precinct committee person (PCP). You will likely be unopposed. PCPs are who select county, state, and national party leadership, and convention delegates.
I wish we would rebrand the GOP as the party of "Liberty and Freedom" -- and eliminate the wedge issues that cause 30% of the country to be "Never Republicans". Unfortunately, Republicans have their own brand of Authoritarianism, and it's what has allowed the Democrats to implement a merger of Fascism and Communism.
I don't want to get into a debate over specific issues, but our core principle MUST be "Liberty and Freedom" -- even when you don't like what someone does with it. Too many people want to be the moral police.
Not talking about Libertarianism, which is idiocy. Regulation is a core part of keeping a civilization going, as we see with the current Tech Tyranny.
The only real problem with libertarianism is it’s filled with idiots and communists so they fight as hard for Americans rights as they do for the ability of invaders to infiltrate and communists to take over.
The best way to establish branding is to establish a mainstream populist party and avoid the century-long baggage of Democrat and Republican party politics.
Yeah it will be more successful to just brand the good Republicans as Trump Republicans rather than something entirely new and unfamiliar to the normies.
As long as Republican elites assume that patriots will always vote for them as the lesser of two evils, there is no incentive to accept populist reforms.
Seriously, it's great and all, but this is like 2022 and 2024 talk - it is the worse kind of hopium to be hooked on.
If electoral fraud is not addressed, political parties are meaningless. This is where we are at - it's a problem that we can't vote our way through.
And if the government will not legitimately address it? Well, I will remind those who don't know - governments that lose their legitimacy gain a terminal condition.
Agreed. Which is why we need to build some sort of leverage. A serious threat to the uniparty dynamics through the establishment of a mainstream populist party/movement could be that threat.
Gotta fix voting first. Voter ID and independent audits. Zingers for the camera by Cruz at multiple hearings and strongly worded letters from Graham aren’t gonna fix this.
Right now that's gotta be done at the state level. More states need to be like Texas and have the capability to peace out when fed up with California. Even civil war has to be done at the state level.
I've said it for about 5 years now but we are in dire need of a few more constitutional amendments.
Ohhh, nice!!!! Now, we can all go back to voting in the OPENLY RIGGED electoral system! No, no, I got it; we can appeal to the Chinacrat cabal to reform their own rigged electoral system, courts and DoJ! xD
I absolutely believe it's time for a new political party, but it would only be viable if Trump was it's leader. And it wouldn't be a third party, it would be a true second party. We ALL know there's only one party in Washington right now
This is a terrible idea. The GOP should be the party of Constitutional Republicans. This is OUR party, we should take it back. We need to start in our perspective states and primary out the swamp rats. We need the infrastructure the GOP already has. It's tactically stupid to just try and build a new party when you can just take over the existing one that's rightfully ours to begin with.
I'm all for this, the Republicans are useless. We will lose the Executive branch most of the time (not the presidency as often as you think) but we will gain in legislation. More importantly, we could gain in serious, meaningful local organizations; it's time we start exercising our own "direct action"
The thing about election fraud is that the cost of vote-splitting to third party is reduced to zero. In national elections, your options are either to vote Republican and lose, or vote for third party and lose. So, vote for third party, and use your vote-split to force the Republicans to fight for electoral integrity. With enough momentum, you could even replace the Republicans as a major party. Trump was one man: Imagine what we can do with an army of patriots in offices.
Remember that election fraud is strategically spread, not wide spread: You likely live in a county/region with a reasonable expectation of an honest election at the local level. Start by voting out Dems and RINOs. Build momentum. There are voters on both sides that want to join a political movement that kicks the uniparty out of D.C. Use that momentum to fight for election integrity at national level.
Please note: when the multi-faceted electoral rigging failed, the cabal simply IGNORED THE LAW and GOT BY WITH IT. You get this, right? I hope you noticed this. If I noticed it, you can notice it!
We are the Republican Party! The shills and rhinos can start their own traitor party. They are the odd ones out; old, tired, corrupt and unpatriotic to the core.
Hard NO. Donald Trump is the head of the Republican Party until he decides he's not. The Republican Party is ours. I don't jump out until Trump says jump out.
Piton doesn't get to make that call, and he's screwing around with our signals and cohesion to try to make Trump's call for him.
And if we go, Donald Trump picks the name of the new party, not Piton.
And if we make a new party, the email list sign-up website sure as hell shouldn't have “investments” in the domain name.
I couldn't make a better distraction if I tried. The sad thing is that I don't think Piton is actually trying to make a false flag or a diversion. I would be happier with this if I knew his intentions were bad.
No third party. Oust the corrupt republicans and take back the party. A third party will only guarantee that establishment will win every time as no candidate will get 270. We are not a parliamentary gov. We are. Winner takes all system.
How about NO parties and just standing behind individual convictions, experiences, accomplishments, and goals? Hiding behind parties does nothing but create corruption and lazy ass voters.
Here’s what happens if you run a 3rd party. Let’s say they get 33% of the vote with the other two candidates getting the same. It goes to the house to decide as neither got 270 electors. The house will be dominated by establishment republicans and Dems, only to hand the election to their choice. There isn’t a true chance for a 3rd party in America as the system is setup for an election between 2 candidates not 3.
We have nothing to lose at all by starting a third party, especially since it has now been proven that the repugs cannot be reformed from within; if that were possible then they would have rallied behind President Trump.
Agreed. In national elections, options are vote for Republicans and lose, or vote for third party and lose. So, vote for third party, and use that as leverage to demand reforms within the Republican party.
I will never vote Republican again, or not vote at all. If a party is going to make it, It will have to come from the Trump Family, we get the Republican mailing list and we are right back to 80 Million strong, and millions of us will be at every voting center in the future!
Rebranding the Republican Party is the way to go...
The BASE is here... we only need kick out Romney Rubio and the "Turncoat 10"
(and fix the voting systems)
and we can get this nation back to Truth again.
I don't know, there are advantages to a 3rd party. No baggage from all the shit that republicans have done. And no negative image from it.
Of course, for a third party to actually work, it would take Donald Trump creating it, not Bobby Piton. And it would still likely take more than one election cycle to win.
And of course all of that is predicated on actually having the ability to have a real election.
If Trump and Co. wanted to start it... and some big names joined in... while leaving the Republican party at the same time...
that might work -
2024 - Vote to threaten 2028 - Vote to win 2032 - Vote to dominate
We just need their fundraisers. But I think WINRED does a great job. But what we REALLY need is bright minds with America and the Constitution at heart. We need fighters that fight with words, we need people not afraid to be unpopular sometimes. We NO DO NOT NEED CHINESE PUPPETS
And how do you stop Mitt Romney from joining the new party?
How do you stop the 'Establishment Player' from buying up all those new party candidates? Every candidate needs a few million to campaign with.
How do you stop the Lobbyists in DC from buying up the new elected officials from this new party?
As long as that rule can never be changed... it would work.
The RNC always alters the rules - to help the establishment and crush the outsider.
Simple, you ban those cucks.
The 'people' need to join up at their 'COUNTY PARTY LEVEL' - and vote out the EGOP people from the party...
Become a Precinct Delegate.
Talk up MAGA -
and EXPOSE THE ESTABLISHMENT as Traitors.
Go look at the 2016 Primary Vote Totals... that data scares the pants off of the EGOP.
You are delusional.
We just witnessed the cowardice and corruption of the GOP from top to bottom, from the judicial to legislative to executive branches, from the federal to state to election official levels.
They call freedom of speech terrorism.
They call fraud democracy.
“We” only need kick out..... who is the “we”?
The Republican Party is made of 3 main parts - the Politicians - the BIG MONEY DONORS (who can write a Million dollar check or more) - and the Voting Base.
'We' are the Base.
We voted for Trump in MASSIVE NUMBERS IN THE 2016 Republican Primary... HISTORIC NUMBERS.
We still support Trump - and we are VERY VERY OPPOSED TO the Romney class Rino Turncoats.
All we need to do is really vote in more Trumper Candidates... and the Party will be ours 100%.
Voting is the ultimate power, as long as there is no Fraud.
We just did that.
How’s that working for you?
Without Election Day in person voting with voter ID and no automatic registration of illegal immigrants through the DMV and equal representation in the vote supervision and counting your vote is meaningless
Who exactly will make those changes? Not the GOP
Trump was only elected 4 years ago. you have to give the Nation some time.... to adjust. The last real Populist was Reagan... Populism is growing as a response to Globalism... this is not over.. not be a long shot.
as for Vote System Repair. I think local level republicans in various state houses can fix some of these problems.
I think GA can be fixed.
AZ can be fixed.
MI and WI - IDK.
PA likley lost forever. Until the corruption is outed.
Biden is granting amnesty to 11 million aliens. That's an extra 50 million votes, we have no chance at future elections.
If the Dems were smart they would make DC and Puerto Rico states and gain 4 more Senators.
They absolutely will do that.
Third party is for idiots. All it would do is split the GOP vote and give the Ds every office.
Take over the GOP. Run for precinct committee person (PCP). You will likely be unopposed. PCPs are who select county, state, and national party leadership, and convention delegates.
THIS IS THE WAY!
Great idea except OUR VOTES DONT COUNT ANYMORE
In the past new parties were created top down. Now the demand for a new party is coming from bottom and going to top.
I wish we would rebrand the GOP as the party of "Liberty and Freedom" -- and eliminate the wedge issues that cause 30% of the country to be "Never Republicans". Unfortunately, Republicans have their own brand of Authoritarianism, and it's what has allowed the Democrats to implement a merger of Fascism and Communism.
I don't want to get into a debate over specific issues, but our core principle MUST be "Liberty and Freedom" -- even when you don't like what someone does with it. Too many people want to be the moral police.
Not talking about Libertarianism, which is idiocy. Regulation is a core part of keeping a civilization going, as we see with the current Tech Tyranny.
The only real problem with libertarianism is it’s filled with idiots and communists so they fight as hard for Americans rights as they do for the ability of invaders to infiltrate and communists to take over.
The best way to establish branding is to establish a mainstream populist party and avoid the century-long baggage of Democrat and Republican party politics.
Party name - Constitutional Conservative Patriots.
That way, when they wanna talk shit, they'll say CCP and make China angry.
Make sure the constitution is in there or f the f off.
Just call it the Patriot Party.
Yes absolutely!
The Patriot Party will get huge in no time. America will have a nice big PP.
No that will be full of wack jobs. The American Party ffs. These ignorant names will get nowhere.
REBRAND THE PARTY AS IS...
The BASE IS HERE - we only need Primary the EGOP.... Boot Romney boot Rubio. - Boot out the "Turncoat 10" That will force the others to fly right.
The Platform remains.... MAGA. Trump 'CRUSHED THE EGOP' in the PRIMARY with that message...
and that message will crush anyone who doesn't' fraudulently alter election results.
Yeah it will be more successful to just brand the good Republicans as Trump Republicans rather than something entirely new and unfamiliar to the normies.
Happened before - Lincoln created a new party to enact real change.
Ironically, it was the Republican party.
As long as Republican elites assume that patriots will always vote for them as the lesser of two evils, there is no incentive to accept populist reforms.
The Republican Party was at one time a third party
Seriously, it's great and all, but this is like 2022 and 2024 talk - it is the worse kind of hopium to be hooked on.
If electoral fraud is not addressed, political parties are meaningless. This is where we are at - it's a problem that we can't vote our way through.
And if the government will not legitimately address it? Well, I will remind those who don't know - governments that lose their legitimacy gain a terminal condition.
Agreed. Which is why we need to build some sort of leverage. A serious threat to the uniparty dynamics through the establishment of a mainstream populist party/movement could be that threat.
The swamp is too deep.
The only person I trust to start a new party is Trump, the rest of these fucking people are weasels.
Source: https://gab.com/bobbypiton/posts/105571084674260567
Yeah he saw all that and thinks they won’t rig it again? They won’t remove the electoral college? Fucking idiots. Now or never
Gotta fix voting first. Voter ID and independent audits. Zingers for the camera by Cruz at multiple hearings and strongly worded letters from Graham aren’t gonna fix this.
Right now that's gotta be done at the state level. More states need to be like Texas and have the capability to peace out when fed up with California. Even civil war has to be done at the state level.
I've said it for about 5 years now but we are in dire need of a few more constitutional amendments.
Ohhh, nice!!!! Now, we can all go back to voting in the OPENLY RIGGED electoral system! No, no, I got it; we can appeal to the Chinacrat cabal to reform their own rigged electoral system, courts and DoJ! xD
DO SOMETHING, but DO SOMETHING THAT WORKS.
Then he should know that creating 3rd parties won't work. Especially seeing as he has seen the evidence that elections are rigged.
I absolutely believe it's time for a new political party, but it would only be viable if Trump was it's leader. And it wouldn't be a third party, it would be a true second party. We ALL know there's only one party in Washington right now
I sure wish he could get lined up with Lindell. Seems capitalism is doing its worst at its best feature - fragmentation.
This is a terrible idea. The GOP should be the party of Constitutional Republicans. This is OUR party, we should take it back. We need to start in our perspective states and primary out the swamp rats. We need the infrastructure the GOP already has. It's tactically stupid to just try and build a new party when you can just take over the existing one that's rightfully ours to begin with.
exactly. New parties are the same as talk of succession.
Now is not the time for division, its the time for reform, cleansing.
but if that doesn't work...
Excited to see a third party created by someone no one knows. /s
Free Speech. Free Thought, Free People FREEDOM PARTY
I'm all for this, the Republicans are useless. We will lose the Executive branch most of the time (not the presidency as often as you think) but we will gain in legislation. More importantly, we could gain in serious, meaningful local organizations; it's time we start exercising our own "direct action"
i'll join any party against thos two
I'm all for this. The Republicans are
You're running head first right into the trap Dems have set. Divided we fall.
I'm going to wait and see what Trump wants to do. This is the movement he spearheaded after all.
THIS IS THE WAY
The thing about election fraud is that the cost of vote-splitting to third party is reduced to zero. In national elections, your options are either to vote Republican and lose, or vote for third party and lose. So, vote for third party, and use your vote-split to force the Republicans to fight for electoral integrity. With enough momentum, you could even replace the Republicans as a major party. Trump was one man: Imagine what we can do with an army of patriots in offices.
Remember that election fraud is strategically spread, not wide spread: You likely live in a county/region with a reasonable expectation of an honest election at the local level. Start by voting out Dems and RINOs. Build momentum. There are voters on both sides that want to join a political movement that kicks the uniparty out of D.C. Use that momentum to fight for election integrity at national level.
Haha parties and voting in nwo?
Won't happen
Patriot Party. I'm in
We can take the republican party. we are already ~2/3rds of the way there
I wonder how the IRS will start their tactics as they did under the Obama administration. Deja vu?
Upa!
Please note: when the multi-faceted electoral rigging failed, the cabal simply IGNORED THE LAW and GOT BY WITH IT. You get this, right? I hope you noticed this. If I noticed it, you can notice it!
I vote for use of the Griffin as our emblem. Lion Eagle.
We are the Republican Party! The shills and rhinos can start their own traitor party. They are the odd ones out; old, tired, corrupt and unpatriotic to the core.
That's a terrible party name... just call it the Patriot Party dude.
Hard NO. Donald Trump is the head of the Republican Party until he decides he's not. The Republican Party is ours. I don't jump out until Trump says jump out.
Piton doesn't get to make that call, and he's screwing around with our signals and cohesion to try to make Trump's call for him.
And if we go, Donald Trump picks the name of the new party, not Piton.
And if we make a new party, the email list sign-up website sure as hell shouldn't have “investments” in the domain name.
I couldn't make a better distraction if I tried. The sad thing is that I don't think Piton is actually trying to make a false flag or a diversion. I would be happier with this if I knew his intentions were bad.
No third party. Oust the corrupt republicans and take back the party. A third party will only guarantee that establishment will win every time as no candidate will get 270. We are not a parliamentary gov. We are. Winner takes all system.
How about NO parties and just standing behind individual convictions, experiences, accomplishments, and goals? Hiding behind parties does nothing but create corruption and lazy ass voters.
Here’s what happens if you run a 3rd party. Let’s say they get 33% of the vote with the other two candidates getting the same. It goes to the house to decide as neither got 270 electors. The house will be dominated by establishment republicans and Dems, only to hand the election to their choice. There isn’t a true chance for a 3rd party in America as the system is setup for an election between 2 candidates not 3.
We really need to agree on a 3rd party before its time to start filing to be on ballots for 2022.
Maga party, lion party, trumpist party, patriot party, 1776 party, tea party, American patriots party, griffin party, new gop party, true republican party, freedom party, American 1st party etc etc etc
Ignorant name and won’t get any traction. Must be the Lion Party or the American Party.
well how is he going to avoid the problems, and does he see where reform is needed?
I Guess he has NOT seen my posts... This should be the name....
The MAGA America First Party of Patriots.......................... IS the greatest name for a new party that will work.
Just reading the name... you know exactly what it stands for!
Im in and although in my 70s I am young inside and will run a campaign
We have nothing to lose at all by starting a third party, especially since it has now been proven that the repugs cannot be reformed from within; if that were possible then they would have rallied behind President Trump.
Agreed. In national elections, options are vote for Republicans and lose, or vote for third party and lose. So, vote for third party, and use that as leverage to demand reforms within the Republican party.
I will never vote Republican again, or not vote at all. If a party is going to make it, It will have to come from the Trump Family, we get the Republican mailing list and we are right back to 80 Million strong, and millions of us will be at every voting center in the future!