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OldBlue451 22 points ago +24 / -2

I've reserved my judgement on Pence until after the 20th. Trump has been known to counter punch people out of existance. There are a few things that have bothered me. One of them was Trump's tweet from the 4th which said Congress would certify fraudulent votes. He knew what they were going to do. If he knew, he must have a plan to counter. Just my 30 pence.

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LiberatedDeathStar 1 point ago +2 / -1

I also gamed out the possibilities. If Pence did do something, then would they not have called in a few bribes and gotten the Legislators to certify a Biden result, which as plenary would then become constitutional?

I actually don't know how much of the court cases and actions were done on purpose to avoid allowing them to legitimately seize control.

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Sandman 8 points ago +8 / -0

Remember at Trumps speech on the 6th, Trump said it would take more courage to not certify the electoral votes? I found that odd.

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LiberatedDeathStar 3 points ago +4 / -1

That still sits with me as well. There was a lot of disinformation going around as to how the President would seize victory. I see all of these people squawking about insurrection act, Pence, send the guard in to count the votes, kick it back to the legislators, but I am almost certain all of that was distraction.

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Erkme73 2 points ago +3 / -1

If trump is a master strategist, then why would it be inconceivable that he and Pence are working together to set the trap? If Pence had returned the slate of electors to the states, it would have delayed everything. If this was a trap, then Pence could well have played the villain to sell the corruption.

Not saying that's what happened, but if it did, he will be remembered as the guy who destroyed his reputation to save a republic. It would also then make sense that Lindell, Powell, and the rest of the patriot gang are claiming Trump is being railroaded and isolated by his inner circle. It may all be a disinfo campaign to sell weakness.

It's a stretch, but until Biden is sworn in, I choose to have hope.

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Kongol626 1 point ago +1 / -0

The thing is, if I was in Trump's shoes, I think I would quickly and by the book had Pence return the votes especially since the legislators finally saw the evidence and want to change the electors. This will make Trump win legally. Then I would take care of traitors in my 4 years. What is the purpose of playing this covert game where Pence is acting as a duel agent. Have Congress certify and then bring in the military and look like a dictator? I just hope there is a plan because I can't wrap my head around this. 3 more days pede.

The doomer in me thinks they took away all options Trump had and Biden's pussy ass will be inaugurated.

The realist and spiritual side of me sees a path to the NWO no matter who wins. If Biden wins we are going to go to war with Russia, nukes, ww3 etc. Killing him or not killing him this path is set.

If Trump wins, they hate how he refuses to go to war, but they will do everything in their power to get rid of him and go to war with Russia, nukes, ww3. Killing him, removing him etc. End game it really doesn't matter. They have a path to their goal and will achieve it no matter what. End times scenarios don't just disappear because a few people rose up. If it's meant to be for us to fight evil it will happen.

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LiberatedDeathStar 1 point ago +1 / -0

Trump said something about it will take great courage to do something, but even more courage to do nothing.

To me, doing something means choosing to win in the current system. Doing nothing means girding the loins for the dark road ahead, especially if they plan full military action. Choosing to allow it to occur could mean cementing themselves to action, hence why it may require more courage.

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Kongol626 1 point ago +1 / -0

Let's look at it.

"Now they want to recertify. They want it back. All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people." "And I actually, I just spoke to Mike. I said: Mike, that doesn’t take courage. What takes courage is to do nothing. That takes courage. And then we’re stuck with a president who lost the election by a lot and we have to live with that for four more years. We’re just not going to let that happen."

Then after Pence rejected it, Trump said Pence didn't have courage.

I tried to analyze this on face value and it just doesn't make sense at all. I tried playing with it to see if he misspoke and it still doesn't make sense. He said Pence didn't have courage and as stated above courage is for someone to do nothing!

Also it says it takes courage to do nothing and when you do nothing you will be stuck with Biden. And we won't let that happen.

Honestly I played with this for days trying to fix the speech to see if it's a misspeaking or it's coded or there is another meaning. All I know is at face value it doesn't make sense, even the theory that Pence is still with Trump. I just gave up and we will find out wed