I'm extremely confident in saying that the way the Twin Towers fell is entirely explainable by their shoddy 70s new age construction. Remember, their structural stability relied on the outer web of steel, not a steel and concrete core like most skyscrapers. The heat of the fires caused the steel that supported the floors to deform and sag (not melt!), which pulled the outer web of steel inwards. The stress of being bent and pulled in by the sagging floors while having to support the rest of the building above caused the outer steel at those floors to break at some points. When some of these beams broke, it increased the load on surrounding beams, which also broke. Eventually there wasn't enough strength to support the rest of the building above, so the entire thing catastrophically fell down into the next floor, which instantly failed, leading to a chain reaction.
You just have to see the fact that when a large number of the hijackers couldn’t get approved for visas, the cia station chief in Saudi Arabia forced the state department to issue them.
Even soft buckled steel causes resistance to the falling mass above. This little resistance would be enough to cause the off tilt top mass to rotate. Regardless of construction, buildings constructed of steel on and concrete don't instantly convert into zero structural resistance dust almost instantly.
Dude this entire thread is better than any movie, like every single of these comments would be deleted and banned on the communist social media like twitter or youtube. Its such a breath of fresh air to see something being talked freely without any hate or violence, just communication and freedom of speech.
I wish they allowed to talk about the vaccines like that also, to let people openly speak about it without getting de-platformed.
I don't think it was inside job, but to appreciate seeing conversation about it. I remember being shown the folded $20 to look like a burning twin towers.
It couldn’t have been that hot anyway since there was a person standing in the hole of one of the buildings waving. I think there’s a case to be made for some kind of directed energy weapon but I don’t know enough about science to make it. I’ve seen others talk about it tho.
Nah those towers were built to last. They were built to survive major earthquakes and hurricane force winds. Jet fuel doesn’t burn hot enough to melt the steel used in the construction of the twin towers. Also George Bush’s cousin recently became the CEO of the security company that was contracted to protect the towers. 2 weeks before the attack the did a so called security update on the software and cameras within the tower. Think of that what u will. Also why did they sell all the scrap steel to China after the attack during the clean allowing no scientist to examine the steel. That’s just a drop in the bucket of info we were never told.
I thought the "jet fuel don't melt steel beams" thing was but a meme by now. You don't have to actually melt steel in order to have it lose its bearing capacity. But I guess you know that quite well (?)
I don't doubt shenanigans, but the physics of the collapse itself makes sense, as it isn't just heat for that type of steel but pressure combined with heat. There still were like 30 floors above where the impact was, that is a lot of weight for heated steel to hold, even on the bottom end of a house fire at 1,000 degrees.
SImple physics disproves this. The building is designed at all times and all places to hold the weight above. A little jet fuel at the 89th floor, hypothetically weakening certain parts of the steel structure and leading to partial collapse, would pancake no more than 4 to 5 floors below the 89th floor.
Then the engineered support, which always and in all places, is designed to hold floors 85-101, would stop the collapse. The jet fuel which is about as threatening as Sterno is long burnt off.
You have to look at the fact that no steel building has EVER burned down, and the amount of jet fuel is dinky compared to the mass of the buildings. There are some excellent graphics demonstrating this.
Have you ever used lighter fluid? Played with fire at all? The jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning. Heat weakens steel a lot.
There is also a big difference between a static load and a dynamic load; the supports weren't designed to hold against the momentum of collapsing floors above them.
That's all fine and yeah a lot of sketchy stuff but you didn't read what I wrote. Jet fuel can't melt steel beams, but it doesn't need to. It just had to burn hot enough to soften and deform them, which it did, causing them to bend and sag and destroy the outer beams.
I saw an interview of fire fighters that took place maybe a year or 2 after. One fireman said he saw molten steel flowing down "it looked like a foundry" were his words.
I actually saw the video on this when it was happening.You literally could see what looked like hot lava pouring out of (a few) of the windows.That's a trademark of thermitic detonation, because thermite generates it's own heat, very intensely-and contains it's own oxygen as it burns.I am positive that the videos i've seen are genuine.
I crawled down this rabbit hole back in 2005 on a whim. I was bored one day and thought "i wonder if there are any 9/11 conspiracies" i was floored after seeing loose change then finding AJ.
If you go to YouTube and search on 9/11 truth or similar terms, "what really happened" on 9/11, you will see excellent video analysis that usually zooms in on the molten rivulets, the distinctive puffs of demolition charges at every other floor as the towers rode down, etc.
I'm still waiting for any of you dingdongs to explain how the government rigged the busiest buildings in the city to destruct without anyone noticing anything.
Also, like I'm gonna fucking believe that some contractors killed 3,000 Americans and were totally okay with it.
It caught fire and collapsed perfectly like a controlled demolition. Building 1&2 where hit by planes with full fuel tanks so they run with super heated beams and the impact caused the collapse. Building 7 is the only building in history to catch fire and perfectly pancake.
It also had an exchange in the basement with massive holdings of gold bullion. No gold was ever recovered.
All the Enron documents were there too apparently. If you watch the owners interviews, (Silverstein I think was the guys name) he said something like, "there was already so much death that day, so I told the guy department to leave, to pull it".
How does that make sense? He tells the fire dept what to do? Who uses the phrase "pull it"?
It got hit by debris from the falling towers, burned for hours and hours, the sprinklers didn't do shit. Of course it collapsed eventually. But it was out of sight from most cameras' perspectives so the real damage was hard to see which got the rumors started.
A kid threw a rock at it and it tumbled to the ground at free-fall speed. The conspiracy nuts claim it was demolished, but clearly the speed & angle at which the rock hit the building was enough to send a minor vibration to the inner steel columns, causing them to very briefly lose stability just long enough slightly shift the weight of the building and buckle the support structure resulting in the entire skyscraper falling to the ground in seconds. Easily explainable. A guy also farted and blew a hole in the Pentagon.
Physics don’t apply? Don’t understand how physics wouldn’t apply to something. Gravity ignores it?
Declassified documents show that people heard explosions after it started to collapse. The remaining structure underneath should have slowed its fall. It would have provided resistance to the fall and slowed it down. But it didn’t. There’s only one way for the top to reach free fall - controlled demolition.
Don’t understand how physics wouldn’t apply to something
Adjust your sarcasm detector. Of course physics apply to each floor of a skyscraper, that's why they fall down and not sidewards as you obviously assume they should.
See I don't believe the official 911 report and I am not stupid even my high school and college physics teachers told me to not believe it. Altho they couldn't publicly state their opinion in fear of getting fired.
What bothers me is RUDY GIULIANI. I always thought he was scumbag for not looking at the evidence instead they grabbed all of it and shipped it away and sold it to china really quick. All the steal and proof gone.
Never liked him because of that. Now he's Trump's lawyer and I am starting to like that guy but my heart still can't drop what he did when he was Mayor. I realized I will never truly trust any politician 100%
Always was bothered we were supposed to trust him because of 9/11. He never went to his Command Center that day just like Silverstein never went to his daily ritual stop by Windows of the World
Ryan Dawson is the expert on it. Look up his content.
Urban Moving Systems was almost certainly the front company for Israeli agents who shadowed (if not assisted) the hijackers.
Aside from the ridiculousness of Jews doing manual labor in a foreign country, they all had flights to different parts of the world the day after the attack.
The pilots were big for me. I saw one that was a flight instructor for 747s and 727s. One night after classes he said
1st: Hey lets set up 9/11
2nd: huh
1st: lets set up the flight path of the planes for 9/11
2nd: ok
After flighting combat missions in Vietnam, flighing 747s and 727s commercially for 20 years and teching in simulators for seversl after that. It took him 23 attempts to hit the tower in the simulation.
The very first plane to hit was AAL11 which was a straight-in approach, without any maneuvers. u/prayinpede fucking lied that it took them "23 attempts" to do. It would've taken literally one - you aim directly at it.
You mongoloids will always doubt thousands of experts but always believe anyone who claims to be one who supports your bullshit. Every fucking pilot in the world could disagree and you'll cling to your one anecdote, and then fluff up their credentials in a pathetic 'Appeal to Authority' fallacy. FlYiNg CoMbAt MiSsIoNs In ViEtNaM?!?!! OmG!!!!!!1!one! Oh, we can play that game: None of the aircraft involved were 727s or 747s, so this fucking Boomer's credentials mean nothing. There. That's how it works, right?
You will latch onto bullshit that makes your theories make LESS sense, not MORE. What the fuck is the implication that these flight paths were impossible? We literally have video of them hitting the towers. What, was this a fucking hologram projected onto some kind of different plane? Is that what the suggestion here is?
You invent explanations in your head without any research, and then spend your lives cherrypicking "evidence" to prove it. Anything that contradicts you is literally discarded outright. And you'll believe anything that supports you, no matter how fucking flimsy or how much non-proof there is for it. In this case, some faggot Boomer shares a secondhand story about a fictional instructor claiming the flight paths were impossible.
It's funny how you shitheads will "question everything", yet I'm supposed to take it on nothing but FAITH that this little anecdote, that he provided zero proof ever happened, has no evidence that is true, and based on the way he told the story was clearly secondhand, is true? So I'm allowed to question the official narrative, but not the shit that some hentai-jerking obese blob working at Arby's spews onto the internet?
I thought you were "looking for answers" and "just asking questions", what part of his typed-at-a-4th-grade-level little fairy tale there was so compelling that you think any part of it was fucking true?
Was it the part where it makes absolutely zero sense, or did you somehow not manage to think about what the implication could possibly be that these maneuvers are impossible? I thought you conspiracy theorist folks were the smartest people on the planet, smarter than literally anyone who plotted 9/11, and you didn't even consider that?
lmao I literally called out this type of response. You filth are literal fucking NPCs, you respond the exact same way every single time you are confronted. Go get death camp'd.
23 times in a simulation? Bet your ass it took the 9/11 pilots way more attempts than that to learn it.
During flight lessons they explicitly asked to train flying curves, never asked to learn how to land a plane though. Imagine that... What's wrong with a teacher who doesn't think that's suspicious af?
A big wall keeps you quite distant from the "impact" point, which was insanely tiny to start with (per historic photos), and has since been filled in. It's got a copycat wall of the Vietnam Veterans Wall (engraved names of victims) and a few lame exhibits. I came too late to go to building, just went to the outdoor part.
It takes FOREVER to drive off the nearby rural road and go to the impact "site." On the way you pass a carrillon of bells one per each victim. It's all tired and cliched and uninspiring.
The debris field iirc is eight miles west around a lake, in part, and also in the woods nearby, which you can get NOWHERE near given the oddly designed perimeter wall (high base and then slanted top) that discourages climbing, scaling, etc.
.... so this sucker was surely blown up by an Air Force or similar fighter. At best, the "let's roll" myth involved a fight that was terminated by an air-to-air missile, and maybe an engine or something came into this field and made a tiny crater and amount of smoke.
You can search on Shanksville deception or similar terms, and come to articles like this:
Yep. I always realize what my statements do or do not refute.
The myth part may be EVERYTHING generated about Todd Beamer and company, or it may be limited to a lie that they organized and rolled a coffee cart to try to crash the plane ...
But it wasn't the Patriots that crashed it, it was bought down by a jet operating simultaneously to the passenger rebellion.
SO the information management here is kind of disgusting, writing the military jet out of the picture.
I never believed 9/11 was a conspiracy. Only considering after all these past few years has shown us. The whole event was so upsetting and horrible I never took a closer look
Yes. Obviously the people on the plane couldn't testify about it later. The person on the other end of the phone could though. A documentary covering this is quite moving, and disturbing. I do value their account of the last moments of their lives though.
There were heroes aboard at least one plane. Have you ever heard "Let's Roll," by Neil Young? That's what it was written about. Incredibly suspicious that it disappeared from the radio so soon.
My hometown wouldve been covered in dust that day had the wind been blowing in the right direction. My Dad knew people who worked in the twin towers who were never heard from again.
I may be able to dig up some links for you if you want.
Planes were definitely involved. Lots of people died. The official version is bs.
Because there was no perceived threat at the time, and it costs absolutely insane amounts of money to run the program. We do it now and it's called Operation Noble Eagle.
Remember that this was 2001, the military budget was basically at zero after Clinton gutted it.
I believed it until about a month ago. I realized that if the deep state can do everything they're doing now, they could totally pull of 9/11. And they definitely had the motive.
Hey retard go watch the video. I'm not a qtard at all and I've watched hours of "conspiracy theories" about 9/11. Do your research and you'll find it obvious too - that shit was sooooo staged. Do your research or you're no better than any libtard. You realize the news told you they just found the terrorists passport in the rubble, that's how they knew who did it...right? Not looking at the evidence I present to you here and declaring yourself informed and correct makes you a libtard, fyi. I DARE you to watch these and come back here and tell me 9/11 wasn't staged.
https://youtu.be/IO1ps1mzU8ohttps://youtu.be/86EwVDTy518https://youtu.be/D0cMOr7SSKghttps://youtu.be/f0HPqd8dPeEhttps://youtu.be/A49a9pXwDQshttps://youtu.be/kRk2mdsXhuw
Yes well having been around Muslims a lot I've heard every variation of 9/11 Truthers narratives... and witnessed years pass as new shit is pulled out of their ass.
I knew we had issues, but had no clue just how corrupt to the core the system was. No matter what happens I'll be forever grateful to Trump for revealing just how deep the swamp is. I'm literally questioning everything now.
Start overseas wars so they can launder money through the fat contracts they give their friends to rebuild and shit. Like Joe Biden's brother got. Maybe it was a pride thing for the Bushes, too.
Except Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and everyone knew it, including Bush, and all they had to do was have the British invent a fake paper claiming WMDs.
So that's all it took to invade Iraq.
Yet you think 9/11 was this huge elaborate setup to... invade Afghanistan, a pissant nation with no value?
Iraq was absolutely sold off of 9/11. Just because that didn’t end up being the formal reason doesn’t mean they didn’t channel the national desire to strike back at something into that war.
As for Afghanistan having no value—the actual players don’t matter. All that matters for the contractors who make money off of the conflict is that it exists. Same for the money laundering that happens with the decades of nation-building after we “win” the right to pour money into a shithole. It could have been literally anywhere, all they needed was a big hole in the shape of a war to dump cash in.
So literally hundreds of people were involved in a plot of mass-murder, not one person leaked, and they were happy to do so so Raytheon could sell new radar systems?
Oh, I'm not trying to take a position on that—I haven't looked into the claims enough—I'm just saying that it was definitely helpful in selling it to the American public, and hypothetically that motive is valid.
I'm objecting to your logic that Afghanistan was worthless and Iraq was irrelevant, not necessarily your conclusion that the Bush admin being involved is unlikely.
Look at what was accomplished. You've got the terrorist goals, and the globohomo goals. (Globohomos ARE terrorists, but they used to use different means)
The terrorists got to destroy the main symbol of the UN. That alone would be good enough for them. OBL had already tried. They also got to bankrupt the US.
Globohomo goals include permanent military presence in the ME and bankrupting the US. And if you want to know what Country doesn't have a Rothschild owned central bank, just look who the US is pointing its guns at.
The US is being disposed of now that none are left, except Iran, N Korea, and who else? Our military might still be used to enslave Iran. Doubt they go for N Korea.
The Bush admin prevented it from being formed for MONTHS. Then underfunded it. Then put one of his boys on the board, which could only release their report through unanimous consent.
I do not know what happened, but I know what didn't happen. I don't want to take this down a dead end debate about 9/11 as my focus is on the future of our country.
Hint: I don't think 12 crazy moooslims got super-duper lucky and outsmarted every layer of civilian and military defense in the United States, outfoxed all intelligence agencies and even managed to spring a surprise attack on the PENTAGON by commercial airliner hours after three other such attacks were conducted.
"Behind" as in "created and executed the plot"? Nah.
There were Mo_sad agents dancing in the streets of New York as the first tower fell. They were arrested, had explosives on them, bad cover story and fake ID documents, and released later that day.
The C_A and Mo_sad team up all the time, they're practically a single agency.
I'm willing to accept 9/11. I'm not willing to accept the absolute absurd leap in logic that nineteen Saudi's attacked us therefore we invade Afghanistan.
Uhh what? Al queda orchestrated the attack and were based in Afghanistan. Taliban refused to hand over Osama bin laden so therefore military action was pursued. Which part of that is the leap in logic?
That's where Lucky Larry's two white elephant buildings that needed, what $1bn in asbestos remediation come in. That he only bought six weeks before 9/11. And double insured to get TWO payouts in the case of TWO airplanes doing "terrorism."
Isn’t it traditional for terrorist organizations to claim responsibility? ISIS claimed all their ops. After all, that public declaration of “yes, we did this, and we’ll do more if [x]” is how terrorism works—you’re hardly going to intimidate anyone into following your agenda by saying you don’t ever do anything.
I’m not saying that the overall position is wrong, just that “the perpetrators of a terrorist act would avoid claiming responsibility” is weak logic.
The reason bin laden was dumped at sea was because it was cheap. That is it.
Nobody wanted some jihadis trying to get it back for propaganda... even our cucked out rinos and dems didn't want to try and justify the costs of killing him and then fucking the taxpayers harder with paying for him to rot in a box peacefully.
Edit - I would also like to say fuck you to OP for making me waste time going to settings so I could downvote this, fuck you to all the people with jet fuel can't melt steel, fuck all you a missle hit the pentagon people and all the rest of the dumb motherfucking conspiracy people! I would just like to say to all of you... Kiss my ass you dumb motherfuckers, now if you'll excuse me I gotta go home and pour some water in Buck Nasty's mom's dish. Good evening!
"conspiracy people"... Dumbass.
If that's your sentiment then why do you support the conspiracy that Biden didn't win? Congress and Senate certified the election and named him as the president elect. Obviously government is super smart and wouldn't do something malevolent.
P.S. Weak fucking Conservatives, Rino's and Dems fucking us is not only their fulltime job, it's also their pleasure.
So if one conspiracy has true elements, it literaly means every single conspiracy is also true?
That completely asinine non-logic is why normal people think you retards are mentally ill daughter-fuckers. There's a reason you all look like you live in leaky trailers and a debate could be had over which is lower: your SAT scores or your monthly take-home.
Conspiracy theorists are pretty much the stupidest people in the country who hyper-compensate for their subhuman IQs by pretending they're actually galaxy-brain masterminds who are capable of seeing through all these plots.
It's like how it's never successful people who are communists... it's never intelligent people who are conspiracy theorists. There's a reason they all look like a bunch of obese child-molesters with GEDs and live on disability checks.
While you only pretend to have any idea what's happening in the world, you don't even know what the term "conspiracy theorist" was popularized to achieve. If you did you would never use it.
Your belligerence is the biggest problem with this Country.
If you think Osama Bin Laden was actually responsible... You know his family was meeting with the Bush crime syndicate like the day before and had dealings in the past. And there's documented shit about him going to our hospitals overseas and such... Guess he was a CIA asset or something from the old Afghan days where we trained and funneled weapons there. Oh and we killed him right? Burial at sea a few hours later but it was definitely him, trust us.
al queida declared war on the kingdom of saud for hosting the infidel americans after the gulf war. so they were SA traitors hanging out in Afghan.
what boggles my mind, is that after 50 years of islamic terrorism, bombings, hijackings, kidnappings, towers bombed and the Twin Towers themselves bombed just 8 years earlier, some people refuse to beleive they were capable and willing.
Especially because of how 'easy' the plot really was. There was basically no airline security pre-9/11 and the SOP was to surrender to hijackers, as it had been an off-and-on problem throughout the 70s and 80s.
Gotcha. That certainly gives me something to pivot on. Though I'll be honest, I still can't fathom the rationale for Afghanistan even if AQ was there. We went in aren't we still there?
So they had advanced knowledge but you think they weren't involved? And even if they somehow weren't responsible on some level they couldn't have given us a warning? Aren't they supposed to be out "greatest ally" or something?
The water people carry for Israel is truly astounding to me. What the fuck do they even do for us?
If you want to talk about people who could have been involved that maybe were mossad, talk about Gelatin B-thing, the art students and their boxes which some have claimed had product codes indicating they were detonation switches
Thank you! Most people talking about "dancing Israelis" pretend it proves WAY more than it actually does. All we need to do is take the info at face value.
It was real, the only conspiracy is that it was known within the intelligence community and they let it happen.
This, that the intelligence community knew about it and let it happen, I'm willing to accept.
It's far more simple, straightforward, and reasonable as an explanation than the more elaborate, convoluted "9/11 was an inside job" theories that are more mainstream.
Especially when you consider that there are plenty of people willing to conduct suicide attacks. Why go to the business of orchestrating everything in an absurdly complicated way as would be required for 9/11 to be an inside job in its entirety when you can just stand by and let the nut jobs do the dirty work for you when they want to do the dirty work anyway?
The amount of stupid lies that the conspiracy crowd clings to in their pursuit for 'truth' is downright comical. "Free fall!" "Can't melt steel beams!" "Impossible flight patterns!"
Because planes can't take out skyscrapers like that. Not physically possible. Nor could they hit the Pentagon's document wing like that (they literally buried the evidence there).
Stop trying to bend your argument to shape your perception and go dig into the facts of the day. Go look the timeline and the comms. Look at the very, very very obvious cover-up that followed, preventing 3rd party inspection, active silencing of dissenting scientists, it's all the same shit they're doing now to bury covid/election dissent.
Open your goddamn eyes and use'em. I trust you. Look at the facts and you'll understand.
This has some of the best sourcing and analysis of any of the 9/11 diggers I've come across, and I've come across a lot. 9/11 truth was my entry into political affairs, and the lessons I learned there will never fade.
Correct. USAF intercepting off-course planes is SOP. There's a whole process of inspection, communication, and if it's necessary to save lives, elimination.
There's a dozen of these "can't be explained without Bush admin complicity" moments.
Why do you measure sanity in terms of conformity of belief? That's lefty shit, my fren. Don't be like lefties. Sanity is about coherence of belief, predictive power, adherence to evidence, and willingness to honestly consider new ideas on their own merits.
Yeah some whackos wander into legitimate conspiracy research, but such limited hangouts don't actually refute the core of the arguments. It just seems like it does to those without critical thinking.
I watched them get away with it in real time. There was only Alex Jones and a couple of his guests saying it was an inside job. We got close to exposing them then, but the Deep State brought out a fake space weapon story and it died off.
I think this time it's going to be different. Too many ordinary people can see through their bullshit this time.
And if you look at the hole, accounting for proper size, there should have been severe damage where the wings hit either side of the hole.Even if the wings faced little resistance due to various factors such as speed, etc.the fact remains that there would at a bare minimum have been at least some damage.And there is none.
Many feel that what hit the Pentagon was a missile. I think it was too.
It should have had at least 2 engines right? And 2 wings? There was a pretty small hole in the building, no damage from wings? And it didn't slide along the ground before it hit?
And many families have been fighting hard since 2001 to get a REAL investigation going to find the Truth about what happened and also to find closure for their loved ones.
I’d be laughing at us if I was in their shoes. They just committed treason against the Republic, a Republic they dismayed centuries ago and got away with it without anyone batting an eye.
So the government masterminded this elaborate plot that left no loose ends, but then had to invent this silly passport 'lie' to sell it?
As stupid as you want to believe finding a passport in the debris was, claiming that the government invented it as a lie to 'sell' the terror attack when there was zero reason for them to even need to do that, is even stupider.
It's amazing how you genuinely think you're smarter than the people you claim engineered 9/11, which would've involved HUNDREDS of people being in on the plot of mass-murder just for some MIC profits.
Hundreds of loose ends, all ignored by the deep state media outlets. Why do a better job than you have to? So that a few thousand genius skeptics wouldn't be able to prove the plot? HA! Why bother? Look at the election fraud. It's not as if undeniable evidence matters to most people, not when it's so counter to the "credible" narratives from professional liars. They won't even look, or if they do, they'll only look for ways to doubt and discredit it.
"The government"? No, the international espionage alliance. C_A, Mo_sad, MI-five, those guys. They're no strangers to evil, human trafficking, drug trafficking, non-consensual LSD experiments, false flag operations, torturing children to experiment with mind control, and that's just the declassified stuff from our country! Anyways, the passport was primer for the official narrative, which wasn't public yet. They needed to sell their 19 hijackers conspiracy theory, because millions of Americans watched a controlled demolition that day and knew it, at least until the gov't and media "corrected" them.
It's amazing how you genuinely think your ignorance is somehow equal to my knowledge. It would have taken about a hundred people in key positions, maybe less. Compartmentalization of information means you don't need very many who understand what's going on. They prefer fewer. There's still a lot of work, like planting the thermite devices between the walls using the service elevators, that's a 4-man job minimum, but given the period of time the office workers were hearing construction noises in the walls, we're looking at 16 or 20 men preparing the demolition charges. No more than three would be needed for the basic story to feed the media (including unrelated police incidents to give it substance), but comms control had to be at least 20-50 strategically placed individuals managing media drips and FAA/military comms. Oh and some politicians too. At least half a dozen in the Bush cabinet.
"For some military industrial profits"? What small thinking. They would never do an operation this big that only accomplishes a single goal. The anti-constitutional Patriot Act was much more important. 9/11 sealed Bush's re-election. It paid out billions to Silverstein who'd gotten extra insurance. It traumatized people, which is an essential ingredient in abusive mind control methods, both on individual and mass levels. And I've heard rumors that they cleaned out the gold deposits in the buildings beforehand, but I could never verify that to my satisfaction. And of course, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which were more about local geopolitics than America's own interests.
It was an inside job, I am in construction and do demo. Thermite is the only thing that could do it. 'As someone mentioned, building 7 was not touched. But watch the video, look at the V lights in the windows, going up and out. Blasts.
There was also 34 tons of gold bars in the basement. But none found.
Doctored film, witness (27) murdered over the next two yrs. Amazing.
Thanks for speaking up, and great points. Have you ever seen the photos that show (afterward) the big steel beams at the bottom that were clearly,"cut" at an angle so the building slides off each beam, causing it to fall into it's own footprint as what happened that day? I am told that cut beams like this are basically proof that demolition occurred;
Holy shit, you are both stupid and a fucking liar.
Thermite burns, it doesn't explode.
Not only that, but thermite is a very inefficient reaction and it burns down. It would take a shitload of thermite in all the key areas, it wouldn't have been even remotely easy to install without basically disassembling the entire interior and parts of the exterior.
"I am in construction and do demo", I assume that means you reshingled a roof and one time you used a sledgehammer to knock out a wall.
Jet fuel burns hot enough to weaken steel building structures dood. Terminal can burn hot enough to burn a cut through a car or metal sure but a plane smashing onto a building then getting caught in the building and igniting will weaken the beams.
no it was hit by the falling WTCs and there are loads of pics showing a massive gash in it... you people are choosing a simplistic conspiracy theory over something really simple..
Muslims hate non-muslims, the left is ignoring that problem we don't need you doing it on our side too
Funny how "We just want to find the truth" just results in you turning into psychotic beligerent assholes as soon as your GED-backed 'theories' are questioned in any way.
I don't have to tell you to kill yourself... we both know your lonely pathetic lot basically ropes themselves daily because your kids don't call and your disbaility checks aren't keeping up with your rent hikes.
There's a number of acceleration points. The European finance-nobles tried to reclaim power in the war of 1812, less than a year after the first central bank of the US died. And they succeeded in delaying the ORIGINAL 13th amendment which would have stripped lawyers of citizenship. If it was ever passed, it was forgotten by the end of the civil war, and replaced.
The second central bank ran from 1816 to 1836, and Andrew Jackson considered ending it his life's greatest accomplishment.
The civil war ended "the United States as a voluntary agreement between sovereign territories" and began the supreme power of the central federal government. Accordingly, prior to the civil war Americans called it These United States.
In 1913, the Federal Reserve Act was passed in one of the sneakiest, dirtiest moves in our political history. This is when things really start going downhill. Between the central bankers and the robber barons, the whole wealth of the country was controlled through its system of credit. It never stopped. Bezos and Zuckerberg are the robber barons of our age, and their wealth is artificial: the number comes from their financial allies raising stock prices.
1933 saw the rise of the first communist president, whose dictatorial tactics stain this country even til this day. At this point Capone's mob Syndicate had taken over the government of California, after his death. Those mob families continue to rule California: Newsom Getty Pelosi Brown.
I'm too tired. JFK was a puppet install with Syndicate connections, but after the Bay of Pigs he realized who America's enemies were and resolved himself to expose them. So they killed him, with LBJ's foreknowledge. LBJ then proceeded to pass an immigration bill that, for the first in American history, didn't favor whites for immigration... the start of our demographic ge_ocide. He also signed the civil rights bill, which was the end of economic freedom. Now the government can tell you who to do business with. You can't decide for yourself, with your own standards.
I gotta stop here sorry. This hasn't been a government by or for the people since before ww2, which the American people didn't want to enter. So FDR deliberately pissed off Japan and lowered Pearl Harbor's defenses when he heard there would be an attack. Put all the new, valuable cruisers out to sea, make sure no intelligence about the attack reached the base, etc.
If righteous people can seize the power of the federal reserve, it'll only be 20 years before the government obeys us.
Top tier comment right here! You know your stuff. Not many know of the Titles of Nobility Amendment (the original 13th) even fewer that it was actually ratified and it can be found in copies of the Constitution from that period.
Thank you for the compliment. I'm on the spectrum and this is one of my "special interests", plus I've got a genius level IQ, can read at high speeds, and received instruction on how to dismantle newspapers' weasel wording before I could drink. I've absorbed and retained more political knowledge than most people will be exposed to in their lifetimes.
Because of the population's childlike views about the world - and I'm sorry, I completely blame the fairer sex for this one - it's become necessary to operate politics from behind a veil, so that sensibilities aren't offended by hard choices. But secrecy and deception breed incompetence and corruption.
I want my Roman revival. I want universal military training, I want the worship of beauty and strength and excellence to return. I want to feel authentically represented by anyone in politics. I want to feel a sense of beauty and majesty looking at our architecture and our cities.
I am absolutely certain 19 Islamic radical terrorists hijacked four planes. Two of them were flown into the WTC. One into the Pentagon and the last one crashed in Shanksville Pennsylvania. The 19 terrorists were followers of Osama Bin Laden.
So am I.
And I'm observing with growing disgust that the more time passes the more people seem to believe muslims ain't capable of such an attack, and choose the most complicate explanations instead of the obvious and simple one.
Also, many of them seem to be too young to even remember it themselves.
a bunch of antisemitics want to believe Bush was acting on orders from zionists.
We lost. There's really no other way to say it. I personally think we won in very significant ways but the reality is, about 50% of America wanted it to be a Vietnam style loss and that's exactly what they got.
Whatever happens, if they send the conspiracy theorists to the death camps first, I'm going to take my sweet time before doing anything about it. These people are mentally ill and overwhelmingly subhuman-intellect. I genuinely think they cling to conspiracy bullshit as a way of compensating for their own perceived stupidity. What better way to believe yourself 'akshually' extremely intelligent than to think that you're this 0.001% elite masterbrain human god who is uniquely equipped to "see through" all these elaborate plots? They literally think they're the smartest people in the country, but most of them all look like sex offenders and probably wouldn't make it three rounds in a bar trivia game.
They claim they "just want answers" but if you ever question their bullshit, they just lash out in psychotic rage. They don't want answers. They aren't 'investigating'. They're complete moonbats who need to be on medication, and their identities are completely wrapped up in their psycho bullshit.
These are literally the exact same people who peek through their blinds and write down the license plates of all the cars that stop at the stop sign in front of their house for more than 2 seconds, and they probably have hundreds of notebooks filled with scribblings clogging their house.
Consider this:
Why do I never see one conspiracy fuckbrain ever shitting on another conspiracy fuckbrain over competing theories? They never disagree or prove each other wrong. They basically just end up combining their stupid bullshit into some kind doubly-stupid bullshit megatheory.
They think they're all hyper-intelligent, but 99.998% of them are just vomiting stupid shit that they read on a website. They never came up with any theory themselves. They never did any actual investigating. All the conspiracy "investigation" always just involves a hyper-obese child molester in his leaky trailer watching internet videos.
They mock 'NPCs' but then all you have to do is say "THE CIA DID IT" and they'll fucking believe whatever you say without even the slightest hesitation.
After the Harrison Deal car crash, where they all agreed to collectively LIE about "the engine being found a hundred yards away", which even the most cursory investigation would've proven was false, I basically decided I actively fucking despise these vermin. Final Solution them from the planet, I'm tired of listening to their mental illnesses. They're a fucking vile breed and they just poison everything around them.
Love your rant, wish I could upvote more than once.
I just had to think of a nice situation a couple of years ago. I was with some friends at a little garden party, two guys started a debate about how it was all fake and how the towers could never have collapsed the way they did. I fiercely stated my opinion and what I knew about steel beams and so on, when our host's husband, who had sat with us quietly listening, calmly agreed with me and provided some further details and numbers. Both guys tried to shut him up with the usual "you believe their lies" but he seemed very confident and relaxed so I asked him about his background. He: "I studied physics and work as a static analyst at the xy Airport. The calculation of such risks is part of my daily job." - That was such a glorious moment, lol!
No, people who believe it was an inside job and the government just literally murdered 3000 people to spark a war are the retards. Our government does stupid shit but murdering 3k people just to legitimize a war 8n the middle east is pretty low
Also to halt the investigation into the $1 Trillion missing from the DoD budget, and to pass the anti-constitutional Patriot Act while everyone was distracted. Bye bye 4th amendment.
You really think our occupied government has morals? WHERE IN THE HELL DID YOU GET THAT IDEA?? This is the same government that was using drugs and trauma for experimental mind control in the 60s. MK Ultra is now a matter of public record. Whatever fucked up shit they're using now isn't. Tuskegee Experiment? Or how about the vaccine trials in Fort Riley Kansas that were the source point of "the Spanish Flu", actually bacteria. Meningitis.
You can't destroy the truth by ignoring it. You can call us idiots, but I've already retained more political knowledge than you'll ever forget. You don't even know what they accomplished with 9/11, but you're assuming their motives? And you want to call us idiots.
9/11 truth is a red pill, and people don't stop believing once they start. Because international espionage and government complicity explains the peculiarities of that day far better than 19 hijackers.
But just like the election fraud deniers, people who refuse to look at the evidence want to act like they're big shit intellectuals.
To deny muslim involvement and blame your own people instead is defense of muslims. Don't turn a blind eye to what they (the muslims) are capable of and to what ceaseless extent they are willing to destroy our western civilization.
9/11 literally redpilled me. Was in school with a vet who had been over there a few years prior in the thick if it and he said enough to send me down the research path on my own. Wish I knew where that guy was today.
At this point, they dont deserve anything from us. I feel sorry for all the "conspiracy theorists" i dismissed because the media made me feel like they were crazy.
I have my own ideas about what happened in Las Vegas. I could believe that Timothy McVeigh was an MK Ultra victim.
But 9/11? I've a hard time believing anything beyond John Brennan knew and the FBI knew/suspected and they let it happen. It's really difficult to believe that anyone in government would have actually run the whole thing.
The hijackers were real, and 15 of them apparently got visas personally approved by John Brennan, then CIA station chief at Riyadh. The planes were real. The planes and their fuel was enough to bring down the towers. I can totally believe that WTC 7's collapse was due to fires started by burning debris from the towers' collapse.
Still, after 2020... I wouldn't put it past some small cabal to have not just allowed it to happen, but collaborated with the hijackers. They would need a motivation, and that's probably to help Saudi Arabia get rid of Hussein. A bit farfetched for me. For Brennan the motivation would have been hatred for the U.S., which I can totally believe.
The NIST computer model of the wtc7 collapse is still confidential "for national security reasons". They couldn't produce a half-believable model for the public.
You can totally believe that wtc7 went down from fires, but they can't. They're not even trying to convince you. And they don't need to! Because you're unskeptical enough to believe them at their word. Why not just do that all the time, and be a lefty?
Then when I tell you the BBC was live from New York saying wtc7 had collapsed while it remained standing in the live camera shot, and fell around 15 min later? You can just use the magic words "conspiracy theorist" and never have to think critically again. Our government is closer to purely malevolent than vaguely benevolent.
Millions of Americans know the Bush admin was complicit in these attacks and the coverups, because they considered the weight of the evidence. If you will do the same, you will know as well.
My Vegas theory is that what's-his-name, Saudi prince that hates MBS was going to hit MBS, and that his men were going to buy all those guns from Paddock to hit MBS with. MBS, after all, was staying at the Mandalay Bay. Well, I figure MBS' men found out and hit Paddock before the deal could go down. But here's the thing: MBS and his men hate us as much as any other Saudis, and his men needed a way to make those guns go away, and what better way than to kill a bunch of Americans and pin it on Paddock?
The FBI buries the whole thing because though they hate MBS and hate Trump and think they might be able to use this against Trump, well, you know the FBI, they also may be able to use this for Saudi graft, and probably already were taking some anyways. They had more reasons ($$$) to keep it on the down low than to use it to hurt Trump. Besides, they couldn't have hurt Trump with it: Trump would simply have demanded Saudi heads on a platter or it's war, and that would have made him popular.
Trump is not a dummy, so he probably figured out what happened pretty quickly. Taking down MBS and Saudi at that time would have been inconvenient when he was still so far from draining our swamp. So Trump also buried it.
I also have this other theory about Trump himself. He's the kind of person that people go to with stories. JFK Jr is dead, but he told Trump all he knew. And many others told him what they knew. See Adm. Mike Rogers. So I think Trump has a patriot group at the NSA, and he's got all the receipts, and he knew how deep and wide the swamp really was, and we'll find out on Wednesday at noon if there's any truth to this and if he's willing to cross the Rubicon.
Now, if that's true, put yourself in Trump's shoes at the time of the Vegas shooting. The official story is a big shrug, and he can figure out the truth but the deep state doesn't want it out and it being out would risk war anyways and it's not a convenient time. He doesn't bury the story so much as he lets the FBI bury it - one more strike against them.
There are things in the 9/11 story that don't fit very well. Like the FBI ignoring the calls from the flight schools. Or John Brennan being CIA station chief in Riyadh.
Right. I don't need the collapse of WTC 7 to be weird to know that some on the inside had a clue and let it happen and wanted it to happen. Also, there was no need for the deep state to collapse WTC 7 when 1 and 2 were going to be hit by planes, and I don't think they're very stupid.
Excellent question. TIL there were tons of gold in the basement, a grand scheme to use it to overthrow the system of slavery to debt we've all lived under since 1913 ...
The presence of gold probably has some basis. If it's been scrubbed off the net Idk. We need to be archiving the fuck out of everything.
I always thought it ran deeper than those three. I don't think any of them had the power at the time to orchestrate such an event. I believe it was an inside job, but the puppeteers were much larger fish.
If you were referring to the lawn outside of the Pentagon not being disturbed even though there would have been massive ground turbulence from such a plane at such low altitude, then I apologise.
No other ocean liner sank as a result of hitting an iceberg. They ran into the iceberg on purpose. Also, the Titanic was the Olympic for insurance fraud purposes.
The most important thing, though, was that 3 very rich Americans were on there, and they were all opposed to the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank. All 3 of them died. This was 1912 if you don't know.
Yup. JP Morgan owned the Titanic, as well as part of the stake of the obscenely profitable Fed. Which was supposed to require putting up a huge amount of your own money but instead all the capital was furnished via loan from the Fed, which didn't exist yet. ¤
Nothing to see here
If only 3 people who had influence and were opposed to creating the Fed were killed that's enough, but I suspect there were many more smaller players on board that we don't know about.
Well supposedly the Californic went out there with nothing but wool blankets and sweaters. They were supposed to perform a rescue mission, but there was a mix up with an vessel that was doing illegal seal hunting. If the Californic was nearby, I bet they would've saved almost everyone except those 3 guys would be dead.
No, the captain of the Titanic saw signal flares from another boat he assumed was the Californic. It was the Samson that was out there doing illegal seal fishing, so they didn't want anything to do with anybody else.
Four years ago I'd have shaken my head at 9/11 conspiracies. Now, I dismiss nothing and want to know more about everything. In their desperation, they've shown too much. Too many have seen.
And then... and then.... they said they were able to immediately identify the terrorists by finding the passport in the rubble on the ground hahahahahahahabaha we were such retards to believe them.
9/11 was almost 20 years ago, there probably are a lot of pedes who are reading this topic that weren't even born.
2001 was a different time, if the internet was what it was now, they would not have gotten away with 9/11. Back then there was no one talking about it, just a few forums and Alex Jones. You didn't have social media, didn't have independent journalist, nothing. Most people today still think that only 2 buildings fell on 9/11 in manhattan. At least with this covid scamdemic, the internet does exist, despite censorship, many people know it's a fraud.
It took 9/11 years before people began to realize it was a lie. I'm not sure if the majority think it was a lie, but more and more people believe it as time goes on.
To start your journey, WTC7 was a controlled demolition. Takes weeks or months to rig a 52 story building the size of a city block with explosives and cut the beams for the demolition. It was setup waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of time. In other words, it was pre-planed. The government ignored WTC7 in the "official" report. Down the rabbit hole you go.
Building 7
This
the thing that gets me is how all the towers fell straight down - you would think they would fall a couple of degrees off center at least...
Oh yeah, and the pentagon's $2.3 trillion that went missing announced on 9/10
I'm extremely confident in saying that the way the Twin Towers fell is entirely explainable by their shoddy 70s new age construction. Remember, their structural stability relied on the outer web of steel, not a steel and concrete core like most skyscrapers. The heat of the fires caused the steel that supported the floors to deform and sag (not melt!), which pulled the outer web of steel inwards. The stress of being bent and pulled in by the sagging floors while having to support the rest of the building above caused the outer steel at those floors to break at some points. When some of these beams broke, it increased the load on surrounding beams, which also broke. Eventually there wasn't enough strength to support the rest of the building above, so the entire thing catastrophically fell down into the next floor, which instantly failed, leading to a chain reaction.
Building 7 was sketchy as fuck. "Pull it"
You just have to see the fact that when a large number of the hijackers couldn’t get approved for visas, the cia station chief in Saudi Arabia forced the state department to issue them.
His name was John Brennan.
I believe this without even looking into it
John Brennan eats babies
Wouldn’t surprise me.
Yeah but what kind of mustard does he use with that dish?
😦
Even soft buckled steel causes resistance to the falling mass above. This little resistance would be enough to cause the off tilt top mass to rotate. Regardless of construction, buildings constructed of steel on and concrete don't instantly convert into zero structural resistance dust almost instantly.
Dude this entire thread is better than any movie, like every single of these comments would be deleted and banned on the communist social media like twitter or youtube. Its such a breath of fresh air to see something being talked freely without any hate or violence, just communication and freedom of speech. I wish they allowed to talk about the vaccines like that also, to let people openly speak about it without getting de-platformed.
I don't think it was inside job, but to appreciate seeing conversation about it. I remember being shown the folded $20 to look like a burning twin towers.
LOL, nothing like "proof"
One thing we now know for sure; our government really would kill that many of us. And cause all the related destruction. Without blinking an eye.
The John Brennan thing is the most solid evidence we've got. Of course Billy BigMacs Barr never arrested him.
tRuSt sEssIoNs
Reasons why this site is growing
Except that it isn't. Stop with yet another fairytale
We talk about vaccines here. We even talk about (gasp!) HCQ!
Thermite in the dust, to boot!
thermite is literally just rust dude, also you're supposed to say nano-thermite.
I'll just leave this here:
https://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOCPJ/TOCPJ-2-7.pdf
Super thermite with nano technology... Haha... You fucking kids
It couldn’t have been that hot anyway since there was a person standing in the hole of one of the buildings waving. I think there’s a case to be made for some kind of directed energy weapon but I don’t know enough about science to make it. I’ve seen others talk about it tho.
Nah those towers were built to last. They were built to survive major earthquakes and hurricane force winds. Jet fuel doesn’t burn hot enough to melt the steel used in the construction of the twin towers. Also George Bush’s cousin recently became the CEO of the security company that was contracted to protect the towers. 2 weeks before the attack the did a so called security update on the software and cameras within the tower. Think of that what u will. Also why did they sell all the scrap steel to China after the attack during the clean allowing no scientist to examine the steel. That’s just a drop in the bucket of info we were never told.
I thought the "jet fuel don't melt steel beams" thing was but a meme by now. You don't have to actually melt steel in order to have it lose its bearing capacity. But I guess you know that quite well (?)
You're not accounting for any of the evidence of molten steel. There's tons of that. Still red hot weeks later.
I don't doubt shenanigans, but the physics of the collapse itself makes sense, as it isn't just heat for that type of steel but pressure combined with heat. There still were like 30 floors above where the impact was, that is a lot of weight for heated steel to hold, even on the bottom end of a house fire at 1,000 degrees.
SImple physics disproves this. The building is designed at all times and all places to hold the weight above. A little jet fuel at the 89th floor, hypothetically weakening certain parts of the steel structure and leading to partial collapse, would pancake no more than 4 to 5 floors below the 89th floor.
Then the engineered support, which always and in all places, is designed to hold floors 85-101, would stop the collapse. The jet fuel which is about as threatening as Sterno is long burnt off.
You have to look at the fact that no steel building has EVER burned down, and the amount of jet fuel is dinky compared to the mass of the buildings. There are some excellent graphics demonstrating this.
Have you ever used lighter fluid? Played with fire at all? The jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning. Heat weakens steel a lot.
There is also a big difference between a static load and a dynamic load; the supports weren't designed to hold against the momentum of collapsing floors above them.
They were also designed and built to take multiple aircraft collisions.
That's all fine and yeah a lot of sketchy stuff but you didn't read what I wrote. Jet fuel can't melt steel beams, but it doesn't need to. It just had to burn hot enough to soften and deform them, which it did, causing them to bend and sag and destroy the outer beams.
This comment brought to you by a guy who probably only has a GED.
I saw an interview of fire fighters that took place maybe a year or 2 after. One fireman said he saw molten steel flowing down "it looked like a foundry" were his words.
I actually saw the video on this when it was happening.You literally could see what looked like hot lava pouring out of (a few) of the windows.That's a trademark of thermitic detonation, because thermite generates it's own heat, very intensely-and contains it's own oxygen as it burns.I am positive that the videos i've seen are genuine.
I crawled down this rabbit hole back in 2005 on a whim. I was bored one day and thought "i wonder if there are any 9/11 conspiracies" i was floored after seeing loose change then finding AJ.
Dude I had loose change on dvd. Someone was passing them out on the street one day. Sigh long gone now good times
I don't suppose you had downloaded any, or know where those videos could be seen now?
If you go to YouTube and search on 9/11 truth or similar terms, "what really happened" on 9/11, you will see excellent video analysis that usually zooms in on the molten rivulets, the distinctive puffs of demolition charges at every other floor as the towers rode down, etc.
I'm still waiting for any of you dingdongs to explain how the government rigged the busiest buildings in the city to destruct without anyone noticing anything.
Also, like I'm gonna fucking believe that some contractors killed 3,000 Americans and were totally okay with it.
The owner of building 7 admitted to it. “Pull it” he said
http://911research.wtc7.net/~nin11evi/911research///wtc/evidence/pullit.html#admission
You never saw this explained. That makes you the "ding dong."
How do you explain that without at least thermite?
Much of the rest of the world "knows" it was a nuclear explosion(s)
Mini nukes. The molten steel was still going strong 3 weeks later.
For downvoters, starting digging information-wise: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_170.htm
I never went down this rabbit hole. What happened with building 7?
It caught fire and collapsed perfectly like a controlled demolition. Building 1&2 where hit by planes with full fuel tanks so they run with super heated beams and the impact caused the collapse. Building 7 is the only building in history to catch fire and perfectly pancake.
It also had an exchange in the basement with massive holdings of gold bullion. No gold was ever recovered.
It also had offices for alphabet agencies and was to act as a shelter for mayor/gov/president. It was over constructed
All the Enron documents were there too apparently. If you watch the owners interviews, (Silverstein I think was the guys name) he said something like, "there was already so much death that day, so I told the guy department to leave, to pull it".
How does that make sense? He tells the fire dept what to do? Who uses the phrase "pull it"?
Don’t forget that major news agencies were reporting that building 7 had collapsed before it even happened. That was odd.
What's the name of that action movie about a crime ring creating a diversion in NYC so they could steal the gold from the Fed?
I'm wondering if this came out before 911
Die Hard 3
It got hit by debris from the falling towers, burned for hours and hours, the sprinklers didn't do shit. Of course it collapsed eventually. But it was out of sight from most cameras' perspectives so the real damage was hard to see which got the rumors started.
This doesn't explain it pancaking like a controlled demolition.
A kid threw a rock at it and it tumbled to the ground at free-fall speed. The conspiracy nuts claim it was demolished, but clearly the speed & angle at which the rock hit the building was enough to send a minor vibration to the inner steel columns, causing them to very briefly lose stability just long enough slightly shift the weight of the building and buckle the support structure resulting in the entire skyscraper falling to the ground in seconds. Easily explainable. A guy also farted and blew a hole in the Pentagon.
I can confirm this in its entirety
Silent but deadly! Lol
The owner of building 7 admitted that he “pulled it” http://911research.wtc7.net/~nin11evi/911research///wtc/evidence/pullit.html#admission
Reached free fall. Only one way a skyscraper reaches free fall.
Tom Petty?
Thought that was free ballin?
Everything but skyscrapers tends to reach free fall.
The physics don't apply to skyscrapers because jet fuel. The more you know.
Physics don’t apply? Don’t understand how physics wouldn’t apply to something. Gravity ignores it?
Declassified documents show that people heard explosions after it started to collapse. The remaining structure underneath should have slowed its fall. It would have provided resistance to the fall and slowed it down. But it didn’t. There’s only one way for the top to reach free fall - controlled demolition.
Adjust your sarcasm detector. Of course physics apply to each floor of a skyscraper, that's why they fall down and not sidewards as you obviously assume they should.
Thanks fren. Clearly my detector is not sensitive enough (used to debating with people who consider me ‘crazy conspiracy theorist’ ...)
See I don't believe the official 911 report and I am not stupid even my high school and college physics teachers told me to not believe it. Altho they couldn't publicly state their opinion in fear of getting fired.
What bothers me is RUDY GIULIANI. I always thought he was scumbag for not looking at the evidence instead they grabbed all of it and shipped it away and sold it to china really quick. All the steal and proof gone. Never liked him because of that. Now he's Trump's lawyer and I am starting to like that guy but my heart still can't drop what he did when he was Mayor. I realized I will never truly trust any politician 100%
Always was bothered we were supposed to trust him because of 9/11. He never went to his Command Center that day just like Silverstein never went to his daily ritual stop by Windows of the World
Why would you go into WTC 7 on 911?
He had to know
Yeah I had always hated him bc of 9/11. He was def involved.
Some might ask, how in the world could the Secretary of Defense attack the Pentagon in front of its people?
Theory : 2.3 trillion missing for newly minted Space Force, recently declassed by President Trump?
Simply speculation
Fire/explosion proof passports
I still love that a piece of evidence was a fuel soaked passport of a terrorist 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Like JFKs magic bullet lol
How convenient
The building was fucking vaporized but passports are made of the strongest material on earth: a proprietary blend of deep state lies and propaganda.
After the impact it was literally snowing paper from every burst window. You could see it everywhere. Why not a fucking passport as well?
One. Only one escaped the plane, and landed where it was conveniently "found." And it "just happened" ro be from one of the hijackers.
That was let into the Country by John Brennan, because he couldn't get in without some pull.
Urban Moving Systems!
Wait, that's the name of the company that did what?
Ryan Dawson is the expert on it. Look up his content.
Urban Moving Systems was almost certainly the front company for Israeli agents who shadowed (if not assisted) the hijackers.
Aside from the ridiculousness of Jews doing manual labor in a foreign country, they all had flights to different parts of the world the day after the attack.
Was this the company supposedly building a patio onto the towers? Discovered with a zillion switches only used for controlled demolition?
No that was a different co. Ryan Dawson is the expert btw.
It was that (WTC-7) that made me question all of it, but sadly it still took me a couple of years.
The pilots were big for me. I saw one that was a flight instructor for 747s and 727s. One night after classes he said
1st: Hey lets set up 9/11
2nd: huh
1st: lets set up the flight path of the planes for 9/11
2nd: ok
After flighting combat missions in Vietnam, flighing 747s and 727s commercially for 20 years and teching in simulators for seversl after that. It took him 23 attempts to hit the tower in the simulation.
lmao this story is so utterly, completely full of absolute shit.
Right because anything you didn't witness firsthand didn't happen.
That's not how science works.
So are you saying the jets were fake? Some 90s version of a deep fake video sent out to all private broadcasters?
Lolwut?
You can't possibly conclude that from anything I've said.
What jets do you refer to?
The very first plane to hit was AAL11 which was a straight-in approach, without any maneuvers. u/prayinpede fucking lied that it took them "23 attempts" to do. It would've taken literally one - you aim directly at it.
You mongoloids will always doubt thousands of experts but always believe anyone who claims to be one who supports your bullshit. Every fucking pilot in the world could disagree and you'll cling to your one anecdote, and then fluff up their credentials in a pathetic 'Appeal to Authority' fallacy. FlYiNg CoMbAt MiSsIoNs In ViEtNaM?!?!! OmG!!!!!!1!one! Oh, we can play that game: None of the aircraft involved were 727s or 747s, so this fucking Boomer's credentials mean nothing. There. That's how it works, right?
You will latch onto bullshit that makes your theories make LESS sense, not MORE. What the fuck is the implication that these flight paths were impossible? We literally have video of them hitting the towers. What, was this a fucking hologram projected onto some kind of different plane? Is that what the suggestion here is?
You invent explanations in your head without any research, and then spend your lives cherrypicking "evidence" to prove it. Anything that contradicts you is literally discarded outright. And you'll believe anything that supports you, no matter how fucking flimsy or how much non-proof there is for it. In this case, some faggot Boomer shares a secondhand story about a fictional instructor claiming the flight paths were impossible.
It's funny how you shitheads will "question everything", yet I'm supposed to take it on nothing but FAITH that this little anecdote, that he provided zero proof ever happened, has no evidence that is true, and based on the way he told the story was clearly secondhand, is true? So I'm allowed to question the official narrative, but not the shit that some hentai-jerking obese blob working at Arby's spews onto the internet?
I thought you were "looking for answers" and "just asking questions", what part of his typed-at-a-4th-grade-level little fairy tale there was so compelling that you think any part of it was fucking true?
Was it the part where it makes absolutely zero sense, or did you somehow not manage to think about what the implication could possibly be that these maneuvers are impossible? I thought you conspiracy theorist folks were the smartest people on the planet, smarter than literally anyone who plotted 9/11, and you didn't even consider that?
Haha... Fucking this!!!! Spot on Again this is why the election was stolen from us. Too many kids iq freaks on our side
You have 0 exposure to fact or truth. Your belligerence and bluster doesn't make up for that.
You swallow MSM lies hook line and sinker.
You probably believe Biden was elected fair and square and the troops in DC are "defending the Constitution." When in fact they are traitors.
lmao I literally called out this type of response. You filth are literal fucking NPCs, you respond the exact same way every single time you are confronted. Go get death camp'd.
23 times in a simulation? Bet your ass it took the 9/11 pilots way more attempts than that to learn it. During flight lessons they explicitly asked to train flying curves, never asked to learn how to land a plane though. Imagine that... What's wrong with a teacher who doesn't think that's suspicious af?
That's why the media blacked it out until around 2005-2006
Yep http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7
The most relevant comment here
UA 93 was a no show.
Could it be 93 got shot down by US and the hero story was created as a cove?
^ This. Also go to the Flight 93 Memorial near Shanksville PA to see some third-rate gaslighting on what happened.
Please explain.
A big wall keeps you quite distant from the "impact" point, which was insanely tiny to start with (per historic photos), and has since been filled in. It's got a copycat wall of the Vietnam Veterans Wall (engraved names of victims) and a few lame exhibits. I came too late to go to building, just went to the outdoor part.
It takes FOREVER to drive off the nearby rural road and go to the impact "site." On the way you pass a carrillon of bells one per each victim. It's all tired and cliched and uninspiring.
The debris field iirc is eight miles west around a lake, in part, and also in the woods nearby, which you can get NOWHERE near given the oddly designed perimeter wall (high base and then slanted top) that discourages climbing, scaling, etc.
.... so this sucker was surely blown up by an Air Force or similar fighter. At best, the "let's roll" myth involved a fight that was terminated by an air-to-air missile, and maybe an engine or something came into this field and made a tiny crater and amount of smoke.
You can search on Shanksville deception or similar terms, and come to articles like this:
http://whale.to/b/bollyn10feb4.html
You realize that your own account doesn't refute the statement "let's roll?" I'm curious why you insist it's a myth.
Thanks for describing the site, that's designed to gaslight. If the hole was created from one engine that would make sense.
Yep. I always realize what my statements do or do not refute.
The myth part may be EVERYTHING generated about Todd Beamer and company, or it may be limited to a lie that they organized and rolled a coffee cart to try to crash the plane ...
But it wasn't the Patriots that crashed it, it was bought down by a jet operating simultaneously to the passenger rebellion.
SO the information management here is kind of disgusting, writing the military jet out of the picture.
What about the phone calls and testimony from people in those calls?
I never believed 9/11 was a conspiracy. Only considering after all these past few years has shown us. The whole event was so upsetting and horrible I never took a closer look
Were phone calls from the plane released?
Yes. Obviously the people on the plane couldn't testify about it later. The person on the other end of the phone could though. A documentary covering this is quite moving, and disturbing. I do value their account of the last moments of their lives though.
There were heroes aboard at least one plane. Have you ever heard "Let's Roll," by Neil Young? That's what it was written about. Incredibly suspicious that it disappeared from the radio so soon.
My hometown wouldve been covered in dust that day had the wind been blowing in the right direction. My Dad knew people who worked in the twin towers who were never heard from again.
I may be able to dig up some links for you if you want.
Planes were definitely involved. Lots of people died. The official version is bs.
Yes I do remember let's roll.
The whole event gave me such PTSD, I couldnt watch any of the movies or documentaries after, so I haven't looked at any of the evidence.
I always believed what I was told, and never questioned any of it, until recently
Perfectly understandable.
I was in a hospital waiting room. My fiance was getting an MRI. I saw the first building collapse in real time. Our whole economy suffered PTSD.
No, because there was no standard at the time to have armed fighters on standby. Fighters were scrambled to intercept but they were unarmed.
If that's true it's stupid af. Do we still have no radar covering our east coast?
Because there was no perceived threat at the time, and it costs absolutely insane amounts of money to run the program. We do it now and it's called Operation Noble Eagle.
Remember that this was 2001, the military budget was basically at zero after Clinton gutted it.
Yet you can't answer a simple question.
What the fuck does radar coverage have to do with anything? Yeah it's called air traffic control.
What does that mean?
UA 93 was meant for building 7
Dang they were really far off course! The rest of the pilots aced their test.
I believed it until about a month ago. I realized that if the deep state can do everything they're doing now, they could totally pull of 9/11. And they definitely had the motive.
Same here. Now I'm questioning everything.
Jesus fuck you q tards are going to destroy MAGA
Nice account you got there
It's not about Q it's about proving all things and keeping the good.
To that fag everything is Q. You breathed yesterday? You're a lifelong Q follower!
According to him.
Hey retard go watch the video. I'm not a qtard at all and I've watched hours of "conspiracy theories" about 9/11. Do your research and you'll find it obvious too - that shit was sooooo staged. Do your research or you're no better than any libtard. You realize the news told you they just found the terrorists passport in the rubble, that's how they knew who did it...right? Not looking at the evidence I present to you here and declaring yourself informed and correct makes you a libtard, fyi. I DARE you to watch these and come back here and tell me 9/11 wasn't staged. https://youtu.be/IO1ps1mzU8o https://youtu.be/86EwVDTy518 https://youtu.be/D0cMOr7SSKg https://youtu.be/f0HPqd8dPeE https://youtu.be/A49a9pXwDQs https://youtu.be/kRk2mdsXhuw
Holy cow, this first video!!!!
No, fuck your conspiracy bullshit I was around when ever single new 9/11 conspiracy theory came out.
Sorry bitch, you're dealing with someone with more intelligence than your entire lineage.
Just sit tight, justice is coming for all you traitorous scum.
I'll just leave this here:
https://ia600109.us.archive.org/1/items/DavidRayGriffinTheNewPearlHarbor/David%20Ray%20griffin%20-%20The%20New%20Pearl%20Harbor.pdf
The evidence was there way before Q.
Q existed in the 50's.
I wouldn't doubt from the 60's after JFK, but that's around the Korean war?
Nam. US troops mostly pulled out of Korea by '54, so it's possible that the first Q statements were from Korean vets after returning Stateside.
Thanks. Shit. There were in Nam that long? And they're still suffering to this day.
Been 9/11 truth since 2010 and think q is a dumb larp
Yes well having been around Muslims a lot I've heard every variation of 9/11 Truthers narratives... and witnessed years pass as new shit is pulled out of their ass.
Computer simulations proved nothing unusual occurred.
Unfortunately, all your posts have been deboonked - and your future posts are hereby preboonked.
Oh no, that sucks.
💯
I knew we had issues, but had no clue just how corrupt to the core the system was. No matter what happens I'll be forever grateful to Trump for revealing just how deep the swamp is. I'm literally questioning everything now.
What was the motive?
Start overseas wars so they can launder money through the fat contracts they give their friends to rebuild and shit. Like Joe Biden's brother got. Maybe it was a pride thing for the Bushes, too.
Plus less privacy, less freedom in the country etc, for the sake of preventing terrorism.
Except Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and everyone knew it, including Bush, and all they had to do was have the British invent a fake paper claiming WMDs.
So that's all it took to invade Iraq.
Yet you think 9/11 was this huge elaborate setup to... invade Afghanistan, a pissant nation with no value?
Iraq was absolutely sold off of 9/11. Just because that didn’t end up being the formal reason doesn’t mean they didn’t channel the national desire to strike back at something into that war.
As for Afghanistan having no value—the actual players don’t matter. All that matters for the contractors who make money off of the conflict is that it exists. Same for the money laundering that happens with the decades of nation-building after we “win” the right to pour money into a shithole. It could have been literally anywhere, all they needed was a big hole in the shape of a war to dump cash in.
"channel the National desire to strike back at something"
That was Afghanistan, not Iraq. Any supposed connection of Iraq to 911 was bs, trying to sell the public on war.
The original claim re: WMD was Saddam would not hesitate to use it, if he had it. And he had with poison gas. That much was reasonable.
Saddam violated the terms of his cease fire agreement. No further justification was needed.
So literally hundreds of people were involved in a plot of mass-murder, not one person leaked, and they were happy to do so so Raytheon could sell new radar systems?
Uh huh.
Oh, I'm not trying to take a position on that—I haven't looked into the claims enough—I'm just saying that it was definitely helpful in selling it to the American public, and hypothetically that motive is valid.
I'm objecting to your logic that Afghanistan was worthless and Iraq was irrelevant, not necessarily your conclusion that the Bush admin being involved is unlikely.
You jumped from Iraq to Afghanistan. Why?
How much more disingenuous could you be?
Nevermind, I don't want to find out. You're a disgusting, vile creature.
Because we invaded Afghanistan first, two years prior, you daughter-raping shit-eater.
2 years difference, that you just glossed over.
34 tons of gold in the basement of WTC 7 might have something to do with it.
Look at what was accomplished. You've got the terrorist goals, and the globohomo goals. (Globohomos ARE terrorists, but they used to use different means)
The terrorists got to destroy the main symbol of the UN. That alone would be good enough for them. OBL had already tried. They also got to bankrupt the US.
Globohomo goals include permanent military presence in the ME and bankrupting the US. And if you want to know what Country doesn't have a Rothschild owned central bank, just look who the US is pointing its guns at.
The US is being disposed of now that none are left, except Iran, N Korea, and who else? Our military might still be used to enslave Iran. Doubt they go for N Korea.
Cover up for one
Even the 9/11 Commission admit that the official story is absurd.
What was absurd about it? What do you think happened?
... helluva commission!
The Bush admin prevented it from being formed for MONTHS. Then underfunded it. Then put one of his boys on the board, which could only release their report through unanimous consent.
"...but it's super important for us to invade Iraq, overthrow the country's government and establish a never-ending presence in the region."
"Some people did something"
"Hi Mr. Reporter, I found this passport lying on the ground, it belongs to one of the terrorists, peace out!"
"I found this passport perfectly intact in a pile of airplain and building parts that got pulverized into pure dust"
I do not know what happened, but I know what didn't happen. I don't want to take this down a dead end debate about 9/11 as my focus is on the future of our country.
Hint: I don't think 12 crazy moooslims got super-duper lucky and outsmarted every layer of civilian and military defense in the United States, outfoxed all intelligence agencies and even managed to spring a surprise attack on the PENTAGON by commercial airliner hours after three other such attacks were conducted.
watch the 2020 film SEVEN (about wtc7), and you'll know everything you need to know
They should have called it Se7en! Although maybe that name was taken.
the official report didn't even mention building 7
Rumsfied and Silverstein
Rumsfeld on the Mancow radio show saying he never heard of building 7
No......that’s Orwellian asf
"Behind" as in "fully supported it"? Yes.
"Behind" as in "created and executed the plot"? Nah.
There were Mo_sad agents dancing in the streets of New York as the first tower fell. They were arrested, had explosives on them, bad cover story and fake ID documents, and released later that day.
The C_A and Mo_sad team up all the time, they're practically a single agency.
Liz Cheney. WCGW?
I'm willing to accept 9/11. I'm not willing to accept the absolute absurd leap in logic that nineteen Saudi's attacked us therefore we invade Afghanistan.
Uhh what? Al queda orchestrated the attack and were based in Afghanistan. Taliban refused to hand over Osama bin laden so therefore military action was pursued. Which part of that is the leap in logic?
Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with it
Regardless you can see that isn’t a leap in logic right?
If the gov just wanted to get their hands on ME oil there are a million ways to do it that aren’t DESTROYING TWO OF THE MOST ICONIC BUILDINGS IN NYC.
They wanted to strip us of our rights with the Patriot Act. We had to be traumatized first.
That's where Lucky Larry's two white elephant buildings that needed, what $1bn in asbestos remediation come in. That he only bought six weeks before 9/11. And double insured to get TWO payouts in the case of TWO airplanes doing "terrorism."
Two scoops for "lucky Larry"
What was his level of coverage / deductible before and after?
Isn’t it traditional for terrorist organizations to claim responsibility? ISIS claimed all their ops. After all, that public declaration of “yes, we did this, and we’ll do more if [x]” is how terrorism works—you’re hardly going to intimidate anyone into following your agenda by saying you don’t ever do anything.
I’m not saying that the overall position is wrong, just that “the perpetrators of a terrorist act would avoid claiming responsibility” is weak logic.
Blm M.O.
Denying involvement doesn't jibe with the goals of terrorists.
Bankrupting the US does. Destroying the symbol of the UN does.
The reason bin laden was dumped at sea was because it was cheap. That is it. Nobody wanted some jihadis trying to get it back for propaganda... even our cucked out rinos and dems didn't want to try and justify the costs of killing him and then fucking the taxpayers harder with paying for him to rot in a box peacefully.
Edit - I would also like to say fuck you to OP for making me waste time going to settings so I could downvote this, fuck you to all the people with jet fuel can't melt steel, fuck all you a missle hit the pentagon people and all the rest of the dumb motherfucking conspiracy people! I would just like to say to all of you... Kiss my ass you dumb motherfuckers, now if you'll excuse me I gotta go home and pour some water in Buck Nasty's mom's dish. Good evening!
Also the 2nd paragraph should be read in the Chappelle's playa hater ball voice https://youtu.be/fKIwj1TQmFs?t=325
"conspiracy people"... Dumbass. If that's your sentiment then why do you support the conspiracy that Biden didn't win? Congress and Senate certified the election and named him as the president elect. Obviously government is super smart and wouldn't do something malevolent.
P.S. Weak fucking Conservatives, Rino's and Dems fucking us is not only their fulltime job, it's also their pleasure.
So if one conspiracy has true elements, it literaly means every single conspiracy is also true?
That completely asinine non-logic is why normal people think you retards are mentally ill daughter-fuckers. There's a reason you all look like you live in leaky trailers and a debate could be had over which is lower: your SAT scores or your monthly take-home.
$3,000 for a funeral, after spending billions.
No that wasn't the reason for anything.
Conspiracy theorists are pretty much the stupidest people in the country who hyper-compensate for their subhuman IQs by pretending they're actually galaxy-brain masterminds who are capable of seeing through all these plots.
It's like how it's never successful people who are communists... it's never intelligent people who are conspiracy theorists. There's a reason they all look like a bunch of obese child-molesters with GEDs and live on disability checks.
While you only pretend to have any idea what's happening in the world, you don't even know what the term "conspiracy theorist" was popularized to achieve. If you did you would never use it.
Your belligerence is the biggest problem with this Country.
He was behind the first terror attack on WTC.
I know where I was that day, were you even born yet?
If you think Osama Bin Laden was actually responsible... You know his family was meeting with the Bush crime syndicate like the day before and had dealings in the past. And there's documented shit about him going to our hospitals overseas and such... Guess he was a CIA asset or something from the old Afghan days where we trained and funneled weapons there. Oh and we killed him right? Burial at sea a few hours later but it was definitely him, trust us.
OBL had been estranged from his family for many years. The connection you're trying to make there does not exist. Although it does look suspicious.
We did not "bury him at sea."
Were not nearly all the hi-jackers Saudi Arabian? Genuine question. Or were they defectors and were hanging out in Afghanistan?
al queida declared war on the kingdom of saud for hosting the infidel americans after the gulf war. so they were SA traitors hanging out in Afghan.
what boggles my mind, is that after 50 years of islamic terrorism, bombings, hijackings, kidnappings, towers bombed and the Twin Towers themselves bombed just 8 years earlier, some people refuse to beleive they were capable and willing.
Especially because of how 'easy' the plot really was. There was basically no airline security pre-9/11 and the SOP was to surrender to hijackers, as it had been an off-and-on problem throughout the 70s and 80s.
Gotcha. That certainly gives me something to pivot on. Though I'll be honest, I still can't fathom the rationale for Afghanistan even if AQ was there. We went in aren't we still there?
They wanted to bankrupt and otherwise destroy the US.
They wanted to destroy the symbol of the UN.
They were incredibly successful.
Taliban actually offered him up quite peaceably
And Iraq
The real question is (((who))) pushed us to invade Iraq
Yeah that is nuts. Somebody would hijack a plane and then it justifies his country to be invaded and raped off from any resources and gold.
No logic at all
Here is the only existing footage of the mainstream media reporting on the Israeli involvement in 9/11-
ABC Dateline 20/20- 9/11 segment June 21st 2002
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A hundred thousand 3am dominion votes for this comment.
9/11 has been figured out. Israel did it.
Israel was documenting it for propagandistic purposes
the people were mossad
they were detained, questioned, then went on tv, and then were flown home to Israel
There is no evidence they were directly involved, however, they DID have advanced knowledge
But so did Condoleeza Rice and GWB, and that's why they were there
So they had advanced knowledge but you think they weren't involved? And even if they somehow weren't responsible on some level they couldn't have given us a warning? Aren't they supposed to be out "greatest ally" or something?
The water people carry for Israel is truly astounding to me. What the fuck do they even do for us?
Not responsive to what was said.
Also, we WERE warned!
If you want to talk about people who could have been involved that maybe were mossad, talk about Gelatin B-thing, the art students and their boxes which some have claimed had product codes indicating they were detonation switches
Also the construction company that had been working in the towers for 3 weeks that people still believing the official story conveniently ignore.
Thank you! Most people talking about "dancing Israelis" pretend it proves WAY more than it actually does. All we need to do is take the info at face value.
they were celebrating cause they knew that the attack would get the US to attack their enemies. nothing more
That's a lie. You clearly didnt watch the link i posted.
your post proves nothing other than some dumb new story and your assumption of 'facts;' is fantasy. I am correct.
It was real, the only conspiracy is that it was known within the intelligence community and they let it happen.
Tinfoil hat theory: 1 plane was supposed to fly into a WTC, the dropping debris would be cover for WTC 7, it would get us into war.
The rest of the planes were not intended, basically the people who facilitated it got played.
But that's just tinfoil-theory 01.
This, that the intelligence community knew about it and let it happen, I'm willing to accept.
It's far more simple, straightforward, and reasonable as an explanation than the more elaborate, convoluted "9/11 was an inside job" theories that are more mainstream.
Especially when you consider that there are plenty of people willing to conduct suicide attacks. Why go to the business of orchestrating everything in an absurdly complicated way as would be required for 9/11 to be an inside job in its entirety when you can just stand by and let the nut jobs do the dirty work for you when they want to do the dirty work anyway?
The amount of stupid lies that the conspiracy crowd clings to in their pursuit for 'truth' is downright comical. "Free fall!" "Can't melt steel beams!" "Impossible flight patterns!"
Because planes can't take out skyscrapers like that. Not physically possible. Nor could they hit the Pentagon's document wing like that (they literally buried the evidence there).
Stop trying to bend your argument to shape your perception and go dig into the facts of the day. Go look the timeline and the comms. Look at the very, very very obvious cover-up that followed, preventing 3rd party inspection, active silencing of dissenting scientists, it's all the same shit they're doing now to bury covid/election dissent.
Open your goddamn eyes and use'em. I trust you. Look at the facts and you'll understand.
https://tenc.net
This has some of the best sourcing and analysis of any of the 9/11 diggers I've come across, and I've come across a lot. 9/11 truth was my entry into political affairs, and the lessons I learned there will never fade.
Congrats on being retarded for two decades
"Open your eyes and use'em"
You: No.
WTC attack on 9/11 couldn't have happened if Dick Cheney had not issued a stand down order
Correct. USAF intercepting off-course planes is SOP. There's a whole process of inspection, communication, and if it's necessary to save lives, elimination.
There's a dozen of these "can't be explained without Bush admin complicity" moments.
Lots more motivation than that, too
You're the sanest person in the thread.... not a compliment.
Why do you measure sanity in terms of conformity of belief? That's lefty shit, my fren. Don't be like lefties. Sanity is about coherence of belief, predictive power, adherence to evidence, and willingness to honestly consider new ideas on their own merits.
Yeah some whackos wander into legitimate conspiracy research, but such limited hangouts don't actually refute the core of the arguments. It just seems like it does to those without critical thinking.
Don't bother with him, he's only here to do Damage Control and keep up the lies.
Stupid people like simple answers because the truth is complex and deprives you of a target to focus your emotional rage against.
The left is extremely guilty of this because they convince themselves they are morally superior.
The right instead turns to tradition/religion and ideologly/principles.
But "left" "right" are just fancy ways to say more government daddy and less government daddy.
What sane people do is look at the evidence first... that is the exact opposite of what most people do because they become partisan at some point.
The 9/11 truth is the beginning of many a patriot’s redpill to the realities of this world and it’s true rulers.
I watched them get away with it in real time. There was only Alex Jones and a couple of his guests saying it was an inside job. We got close to exposing them then, but the Deep State brought out a fake space weapon story and it died off.
I think this time it's going to be different. Too many ordinary people can see through their bullshit this time.
Pentagon had a big hole, no actual parts of a plane
And if you look at the hole, accounting for proper size, there should have been severe damage where the wings hit either side of the hole.Even if the wings faced little resistance due to various factors such as speed, etc.the fact remains that there would at a bare minimum have been at least some damage.And there is none.
Many feel that what hit the Pentagon was a missile. I think it was too.
So does Rumsfeld.
I can't say what it was, and the public may not know for several decades.
My daughter worked for the company that did some of the cleanup. There was a plane.
What was the name of the cleanup operation? Get this part wrong and we'll know you're a glowie
ServiceMaster
Whoyagonnacall?
"ServiceMaster" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
Not even an engine?
Edit: looks like I meant to reply to user tiffany46
An anonymous LARPer said what you saw with your own eyes in pictures and videos was a lie. Why won’t you believe their daughter?! /s
😂😂😂
Deep state shills are so oblivious.
It should have had at least 2 engines right? And 2 wings? There was a pretty small hole in the building, no damage from wings? And it didn't slide along the ground before it hit?
Ballistic astroturf
There's astroturfing involved all right
Pentalawn?
Fucking this. This thread is new levels of retardation.
Pictures or it didn't happen. Plus...what about the bodies? While we're on that topic...where were the bodies in PA?
In PA there were NO bodies, NO luggage, NO parts from a plane etc.
Just a crater in the ground. Most likely from a missile or planted explosion. But investigators on the scene reported the familiar smell of Cordite.
The same smell was also reported at the Pentagon.
Maybe the PA plane was supposed to hit the pentagon, and when it went down they had to switch to plan b to destroy that evidence.
The bodies found at the Pentagon where dead ONI employees. NO dead passengers found at the Pentagon.
UPDATE: Sorry, my answer above was regarding the Pentagon event. I've adjusted the text to be clear on that.
How about a list of the passengers who were on that plane? If there were no bodies those should all be missing persons right?
Yes, they should. Unless they were supposed to disappear.
Pentagon Employee Witness Says There Was No Plane on 9-11-2001!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIy9hjB3DGk
And many families have been fighting hard since 2001 to get a REAL investigation going to find the Truth about what happened and also to find closure for their loved ones.
The mafia discovered long ago that the perfect crime is committed when nobody can find the body. CIA is mafia.
Your daughter either lied to you or violated her NDA.
That's because cruise missiles don't have plane parts.
Holy shit you're just full blown retard
Everyone is a time traveler. Be gone, shill
But they found a terrorist's passport in the rubble!
I really thought more people would catch this insanely unbelievable lie. I bet they did too! God, I can't even blame them for laughing at our idiocy.
I’d be laughing at us if I was in their shoes. They just committed treason against the Republic, a Republic they dismayed centuries ago and got away with it without anyone batting an eye.
So the government masterminded this elaborate plot that left no loose ends, but then had to invent this silly passport 'lie' to sell it?
As stupid as you want to believe finding a passport in the debris was, claiming that the government invented it as a lie to 'sell' the terror attack when there was zero reason for them to even need to do that, is even stupider.
It's amazing how you genuinely think you're smarter than the people you claim engineered 9/11, which would've involved HUNDREDS of people being in on the plot of mass-murder just for some MIC profits.
Hundreds of loose ends, all ignored by the deep state media outlets. Why do a better job than you have to? So that a few thousand genius skeptics wouldn't be able to prove the plot? HA! Why bother? Look at the election fraud. It's not as if undeniable evidence matters to most people, not when it's so counter to the "credible" narratives from professional liars. They won't even look, or if they do, they'll only look for ways to doubt and discredit it.
"The government"? No, the international espionage alliance. C_A, Mo_sad, MI-five, those guys. They're no strangers to evil, human trafficking, drug trafficking, non-consensual LSD experiments, false flag operations, torturing children to experiment with mind control, and that's just the declassified stuff from our country! Anyways, the passport was primer for the official narrative, which wasn't public yet. They needed to sell their 19 hijackers conspiracy theory, because millions of Americans watched a controlled demolition that day and knew it, at least until the gov't and media "corrected" them.
It's amazing how you genuinely think your ignorance is somehow equal to my knowledge. It would have taken about a hundred people in key positions, maybe less. Compartmentalization of information means you don't need very many who understand what's going on. They prefer fewer. There's still a lot of work, like planting the thermite devices between the walls using the service elevators, that's a 4-man job minimum, but given the period of time the office workers were hearing construction noises in the walls, we're looking at 16 or 20 men preparing the demolition charges. No more than three would be needed for the basic story to feed the media (including unrelated police incidents to give it substance), but comms control had to be at least 20-50 strategically placed individuals managing media drips and FAA/military comms. Oh and some politicians too. At least half a dozen in the Bush cabinet.
"For some military industrial profits"? What small thinking. They would never do an operation this big that only accomplishes a single goal. The anti-constitutional Patriot Act was much more important. 9/11 sealed Bush's re-election. It paid out billions to Silverstein who'd gotten extra insurance. It traumatized people, which is an essential ingredient in abusive mind control methods, both on individual and mass levels. And I've heard rumors that they cleaned out the gold deposits in the buildings beforehand, but I could never verify that to my satisfaction. And of course, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which were more about local geopolitics than America's own interests.
"No loose ends."
You are insanely gullible.
I'm so glad he survived tho.
We were only there to document the event.
"Which is why we were there with explosives in our bags. To document."
You can skip the question marks, nobody is brave enough to answer that.
It was an inside job, I am in construction and do demo. Thermite is the only thing that could do it. 'As someone mentioned, building 7 was not touched. But watch the video, look at the V lights in the windows, going up and out. Blasts.
There was also 34 tons of gold bars in the basement. But none found.
Doctored film, witness (27) murdered over the next two yrs. Amazing.
Thanks for speaking up, and great points. Have you ever seen the photos that show (afterward) the big steel beams at the bottom that were clearly,"cut" at an angle so the building slides off each beam, causing it to fall into it's own footprint as what happened that day? I am told that cut beams like this are basically proof that demolition occurred;
https://duluthreader.com/uploads/image/orig/2016/4/14/5/3125/3125_117_Kohls_888_002_2.jpg
I want to see this video.
Easy to do. Many links in thread.
Why was there so much gold in the basement?
At today's prices, that's 2 billion, 176 million. At the time it was a third of that.
Holy shit, you are both stupid and a fucking liar.
Thermite burns, it doesn't explode.
Not only that, but thermite is a very inefficient reaction and it burns down. It would take a shitload of thermite in all the key areas, it wouldn't have been even remotely easy to install without basically disassembling the entire interior and parts of the exterior.
"I am in construction and do demo", I assume that means you reshingled a roof and one time you used a sledgehammer to knock out a wall.
Jet fuel burns hot enough to weaken steel building structures dood. Terminal can burn hot enough to burn a cut through a car or metal sure but a plane smashing onto a building then getting caught in the building and igniting will weaken the beams.
He's talking about WTC 7 which was not hit by a plane. Someone basically looked at it funny and it collapsed.
no it was hit by the falling WTCs and there are loads of pics showing a massive gash in it... you people are choosing a simplistic conspiracy theory over something really simple..
Muslims hate non-muslims, the left is ignoring that problem we don't need you doing it on our side too
Damn you’re really all over this thread. How’s Langley working out? Maybe the J. Edgar Hoover building? Go fuck yourself federal fag.
Funny how "We just want to find the truth" just results in you turning into psychotic beligerent assholes as soon as your GED-backed 'theories' are questioned in any way.
I don't have to tell you to kill yourself... we both know your lonely pathetic lot basically ropes themselves daily because your kids don't call and your disbaility checks aren't keeping up with your rent hikes.
This # of people know what controlled demolitions look like.
EXPERTS SAY
SCIENTISTS AGREE
TOP OFFICIAL CONFIRMS
that the official story is bull.
Safe and effective!
Yeah that is why I said "Actual" ya fucking retard
No they don't
There's 2 groups of people:
Funny how when one engineer says it was controlled but a hundred say otherwise, you only find the one engineer credible.
Computer simulations proved how the WTC collapsed, fucking deal with it qtard.
Link to one, then.
http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7
This may well have started with JFK's assassination ... or before. Though I can't put my finger on it, farther back.
It goes way before that. They've been killing people for centuries probably more than 1 thousand years.
In 1900s we had Titanic->Federal Reserve
There's a number of acceleration points. The European finance-nobles tried to reclaim power in the war of 1812, less than a year after the first central bank of the US died. And they succeeded in delaying the ORIGINAL 13th amendment which would have stripped lawyers of citizenship. If it was ever passed, it was forgotten by the end of the civil war, and replaced.
The second central bank ran from 1816 to 1836, and Andrew Jackson considered ending it his life's greatest accomplishment.
The civil war ended "the United States as a voluntary agreement between sovereign territories" and began the supreme power of the central federal government. Accordingly, prior to the civil war Americans called it These United States.
In 1913, the Federal Reserve Act was passed in one of the sneakiest, dirtiest moves in our political history. This is when things really start going downhill. Between the central bankers and the robber barons, the whole wealth of the country was controlled through its system of credit. It never stopped. Bezos and Zuckerberg are the robber barons of our age, and their wealth is artificial: the number comes from their financial allies raising stock prices.
1933 saw the rise of the first communist president, whose dictatorial tactics stain this country even til this day. At this point Capone's mob Syndicate had taken over the government of California, after his death. Those mob families continue to rule California: Newsom Getty Pelosi Brown.
I'm too tired. JFK was a puppet install with Syndicate connections, but after the Bay of Pigs he realized who America's enemies were and resolved himself to expose them. So they killed him, with LBJ's foreknowledge. LBJ then proceeded to pass an immigration bill that, for the first in American history, didn't favor whites for immigration... the start of our demographic ge_ocide. He also signed the civil rights bill, which was the end of economic freedom. Now the government can tell you who to do business with. You can't decide for yourself, with your own standards.
I gotta stop here sorry. This hasn't been a government by or for the people since before ww2, which the American people didn't want to enter. So FDR deliberately pissed off Japan and lowered Pearl Harbor's defenses when he heard there would be an attack. Put all the new, valuable cruisers out to sea, make sure no intelligence about the attack reached the base, etc.
If righteous people can seize the power of the federal reserve, it'll only be 20 years before the government obeys us.
Somebody knows what's up!
DJT was effectively doing just that otherwise the insanity of 2020 wouldve never happened.
Top tier comment right here! You know your stuff. Not many know of the Titles of Nobility Amendment (the original 13th) even fewer that it was actually ratified and it can be found in copies of the Constitution from that period.
Thank you for the compliment. I'm on the spectrum and this is one of my "special interests", plus I've got a genius level IQ, can read at high speeds, and received instruction on how to dismantle newspapers' weasel wording before I could drink. I've absorbed and retained more political knowledge than most people will be exposed to in their lifetimes.
Because of the population's childlike views about the world - and I'm sorry, I completely blame the fairer sex for this one - it's become necessary to operate politics from behind a veil, so that sensibilities aren't offended by hard choices. But secrecy and deception breed incompetence and corruption.
I want my Roman revival. I want universal military training, I want the worship of beauty and strength and excellence to return. I want to feel authentically represented by anyone in politics. I want to feel a sense of beauty and majesty looking at our architecture and our cities.
Aftermath of civil war
Operation Northwoods.
WTC7
http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7
Oh look, shiny object.
Aaaaaaaaaaaand WTC7 just fell for some reason.
http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7
I am absolutely certain 19 Islamic radical terrorists hijacked four planes. Two of them were flown into the WTC. One into the Pentagon and the last one crashed in Shanksville Pennsylvania. The 19 terrorists were followers of Osama Bin Laden.
Yep
So am I. And I'm observing with growing disgust that the more time passes the more people seem to believe muslims ain't capable of such an attack, and choose the most complicate explanations instead of the obvious and simple one. Also, many of them seem to be too young to even remember it themselves.
9/11 got memory holed because:
You're drawing false conclusions. Discovering the malice and lies of our government doesn't mean "muslims aren't capable of such an attack."
You have committed logical fallacy.
You exonerate them from the biggest single attack they have yet committed against us.
Only in your perverse imagination.
Step away from the bong and join the rest of us in reality.
Or wait until Thursday if that's too much to ask.
Oh, I see. You are using the Random Insult Model Kit (tm)
Lol.
You can't even string one rational thought together
q.e.d.
Whatever happens, if they send the conspiracy theorists to the death camps first, I'm going to take my sweet time before doing anything about it. These people are mentally ill and overwhelmingly subhuman-intellect. I genuinely think they cling to conspiracy bullshit as a way of compensating for their own perceived stupidity. What better way to believe yourself 'akshually' extremely intelligent than to think that you're this 0.001% elite masterbrain human god who is uniquely equipped to "see through" all these elaborate plots? They literally think they're the smartest people in the country, but most of them all look like sex offenders and probably wouldn't make it three rounds in a bar trivia game.
They claim they "just want answers" but if you ever question their bullshit, they just lash out in psychotic rage. They don't want answers. They aren't 'investigating'. They're complete moonbats who need to be on medication, and their identities are completely wrapped up in their psycho bullshit.
These are literally the exact same people who peek through their blinds and write down the license plates of all the cars that stop at the stop sign in front of their house for more than 2 seconds, and they probably have hundreds of notebooks filled with scribblings clogging their house.
Consider this:
Why do I never see one conspiracy fuckbrain ever shitting on another conspiracy fuckbrain over competing theories? They never disagree or prove each other wrong. They basically just end up combining their stupid bullshit into some kind doubly-stupid bullshit megatheory.
They think they're all hyper-intelligent, but 99.998% of them are just vomiting stupid shit that they read on a website. They never came up with any theory themselves. They never did any actual investigating. All the conspiracy "investigation" always just involves a hyper-obese child molester in his leaky trailer watching internet videos.
They mock 'NPCs' but then all you have to do is say "THE CIA DID IT" and they'll fucking believe whatever you say without even the slightest hesitation.
After the Harrison Deal car crash, where they all agreed to collectively LIE about "the engine being found a hundred yards away", which even the most cursory investigation would've proven was false, I basically decided I actively fucking despise these vermin. Final Solution them from the planet, I'm tired of listening to their mental illnesses. They're a fucking vile breed and they just poison everything around them.
You're a God damned liar.
On every point.
Go tell it to your reptilians living inside the hollow flat earth.
Validating my (actual) claim.
Love your rant, wish I could upvote more than once.
I just had to think of a nice situation a couple of years ago. I was with some friends at a little garden party, two guys started a debate about how it was all fake and how the towers could never have collapsed the way they did. I fiercely stated my opinion and what I knew about steel beams and so on, when our host's husband, who had sat with us quietly listening, calmly agreed with me and provided some further details and numbers. Both guys tried to shut him up with the usual "you believe their lies" but he seemed very confident and relaxed so I asked him about his background. He: "I studied physics and work as a static analyst at the xy Airport. The calculation of such risks is part of my daily job." - That was such a glorious moment, lol!
I am absolutely certain that you are a God damned retard.
No, people who believe it was an inside job and the government just literally murdered 3000 people to spark a war are the retards. Our government does stupid shit but murdering 3k people just to legitimize a war 8n the middle east is pretty low
cough cough Gulf of Tonkin cough USS Maine cough cough
Operation northwoods
U.S.S. Liberty
https://files.catbox.moe/q8j4m9.jpeg
Also to halt the investigation into the $1 Trillion missing from the DoD budget, and to pass the anti-constitutional Patriot Act while everyone was distracted. Bye bye 4th amendment.
You really think our occupied government has morals? WHERE IN THE HELL DID YOU GET THAT IDEA?? This is the same government that was using drugs and trauma for experimental mind control in the 60s. MK Ultra is now a matter of public record. Whatever fucked up shit they're using now isn't. Tuskegee Experiment? Or how about the vaccine trials in Fort Riley Kansas that were the source point of "the Spanish Flu", actually bacteria. Meningitis.
You can't destroy the truth by ignoring it. You can call us idiots, but I've already retained more political knowledge than you'll ever forget. You don't even know what they accomplished with 9/11, but you're assuming their motives? And you want to call us idiots.
9/11 truth is a red pill, and people don't stop believing once they start. Because international espionage and government complicity explains the peculiarities of that day far better than 19 hijackers.
But just like the election fraud deniers, people who refuse to look at the evidence want to act like they're big shit intellectuals.
You’d be surprised. They used the goat fuckers then they got pissed when they realized they were being used by the deep state.
Muslim apologist scum!
Let me guess you think Mohammad wasn't a pedophile too!
Doesn't follow at all. He said not a word in defense of Muslims.
Then again, why let facts interfere with your thinking? You never have before.
McCarthy never went around wildly accusing like you.
To deny muslim involvement and blame your own people instead is defense of muslims. Don't turn a blind eye to what they (the muslims) are capable of and to what ceaseless extent they are willing to destroy our western civilization.
Nobody's "denying Muslim involvement."
You're certainly ignoring all evidence.
You are blissfully ignorant that our own government also wants to destroy Western civilization.
It's not one or the other. Most people are smarter than that by the time we're 4.
Pure projection.
9/11 literally redpilled me. Was in school with a vet who had been over there a few years prior in the thick if it and he said enough to send me down the research path on my own. Wish I knew where that guy was today.
Anyone who actually buys the "official" story, especially after 2020, is an idiot.
They'll do it again to get us back into the wars.
Except this time they'll blame Trump supporters. And the war will be at home.
Already is!
At this point, they dont deserve anything from us. I feel sorry for all the "conspiracy theorists" i dismissed because the media made me feel like they were crazy.
So tell me what you think the story is.
I have my own ideas about what happened in Las Vegas. I could believe that Timothy McVeigh was an MK Ultra victim.
But 9/11? I've a hard time believing anything beyond John Brennan knew and the FBI knew/suspected and they let it happen. It's really difficult to believe that anyone in government would have actually run the whole thing.
The hijackers were real, and 15 of them apparently got visas personally approved by John Brennan, then CIA station chief at Riyadh. The planes were real. The planes and their fuel was enough to bring down the towers. I can totally believe that WTC 7's collapse was due to fires started by burning debris from the towers' collapse.
Still, after 2020... I wouldn't put it past some small cabal to have not just allowed it to happen, but collaborated with the hijackers. They would need a motivation, and that's probably to help Saudi Arabia get rid of Hussein. A bit farfetched for me. For Brennan the motivation would have been hatred for the U.S., which I can totally believe.
The NIST computer model of the wtc7 collapse is still confidential "for national security reasons". They couldn't produce a half-believable model for the public.
You can totally believe that wtc7 went down from fires, but they can't. They're not even trying to convince you. And they don't need to! Because you're unskeptical enough to believe them at their word. Why not just do that all the time, and be a lefty?
Then when I tell you the BBC was live from New York saying wtc7 had collapsed while it remained standing in the live camera shot, and fell around 15 min later? You can just use the magic words "conspiracy theorist" and never have to think critically again. Our government is closer to purely malevolent than vaguely benevolent.
Millions of Americans know the Bush admin was complicit in these attacks and the coverups, because they considered the weight of the evidence. If you will do the same, you will know as well.
Please share your pet theory on Vegas.
It's entirely possible to recognize the official 911 story is at least part bs without pretending to know every detail.
My Vegas theory is that what's-his-name, Saudi prince that hates MBS was going to hit MBS, and that his men were going to buy all those guns from Paddock to hit MBS with. MBS, after all, was staying at the Mandalay Bay. Well, I figure MBS' men found out and hit Paddock before the deal could go down. But here's the thing: MBS and his men hate us as much as any other Saudis, and his men needed a way to make those guns go away, and what better way than to kill a bunch of Americans and pin it on Paddock?
The FBI buries the whole thing because though they hate MBS and hate Trump and think they might be able to use this against Trump, well, you know the FBI, they also may be able to use this for Saudi graft, and probably already were taking some anyways. They had more reasons ($$$) to keep it on the down low than to use it to hurt Trump. Besides, they couldn't have hurt Trump with it: Trump would simply have demanded Saudi heads on a platter or it's war, and that would have made him popular.
Trump is not a dummy, so he probably figured out what happened pretty quickly. Taking down MBS and Saudi at that time would have been inconvenient when he was still so far from draining our swamp. So Trump also buried it.
What do you think?
That's as good as anything I've heard!
If DJT survives we should ask him about this. I'm inclined to think he'd drain any swamp at any opportunity, rather than bury it. Idk
It's all one step at a time.
I also have this other theory about Trump himself. He's the kind of person that people go to with stories. JFK Jr is dead, but he told Trump all he knew. And many others told him what they knew. See Adm. Mike Rogers. So I think Trump has a patriot group at the NSA, and he's got all the receipts, and he knew how deep and wide the swamp really was, and we'll find out on Wednesday at noon if there's any truth to this and if he's willing to cross the Rubicon.
Now, if that's true, put yourself in Trump's shoes at the time of the Vegas shooting. The official story is a big shrug, and he can figure out the truth but the deep state doesn't want it out and it being out would risk war anyways and it's not a convenient time. He doesn't bury the story so much as he lets the FBI bury it - one more strike against them.
I like it. Rubicon Don won't show. Waiting for him to take the lead in that was always a mistake. He's peaceful. Or surrounded by traitors.
Well, we're not showing up to fight on the 20th. And we're probably not fighting at all afterwards either. So it's Rubicon Don or bust.
We didn't show up to fight on 1/6 either.
There are things in the 9/11 story that don't fit very well. Like the FBI ignoring the calls from the flight schools. Or John Brennan being CIA station chief in Riyadh.
John Brennan gives us the most concrete evidence we have. 15 of the hijackers only entered the US because he pulled strings.
Right. I don't need the collapse of WTC 7 to be weird to know that some on the inside had a clue and let it happen and wanted it to happen. Also, there was no need for the deep state to collapse WTC 7 when 1 and 2 were going to be hit by planes, and I don't think they're very stupid.
WTC7 holding 24 tons of gold might change that idea.
So where would I read about that?
Excellent question. TIL there were tons of gold in the basement, a grand scheme to use it to overthrow the system of slavery to debt we've all lived under since 1913 ...
The presence of gold probably has some basis. If it's been scrubbed off the net Idk. We need to be archiving the fuck out of everything.
I'm pretty skeptical anyone had noble intentions.
George Bush, Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld did 9/11. Any discussion of any other bad actors are red herrings.
They and their friends all had millions to gain from perpetual war.
Lol not even close. Many factors went into this. Or do you blame Bush Cheney Rumsfeld for the first bombing of the tower too?
I always thought it ran deeper than those three. I don't think any of them had the power at the time to orchestrate such an event. I believe it was an inside job, but the puppeteers were much larger fish.
And the silverstein guy. Planes don't hover right above ground level and it buildings. Missiles do.
Everyone is dumber for having read this. Next I bet you'll say the planes were holograms. Eat a bag of dicks commie.
I think he just missed the "h" in hit.
If you were referring to the lawn outside of the Pentagon not being disturbed even though there would have been massive ground turbulence from such a plane at such low altitude, then I apologise.
Wow, just three people to pull off a plot of that magnitude? They must've been CRAZY busy.
Don't forget Brennan. Really nobody else had to have been in on it.
Bingo bango https://aim4truth.org/2020/09/11/treason-who-terrorized-americans-and-the-world-on-9-11-2/
I don't believe the Titanic story. This started a longer time ago than most of you even know.
What do you think happened with the Titanic? A huge section of the bottom was found. It was sliced off by the iceberg, that's why it sank so fast.
The question is why the order was given to go so fast, and so close to known iceberg migration routes.
No other ocean liner sank as a result of hitting an iceberg. They ran into the iceberg on purpose. Also, the Titanic was the Olympic for insurance fraud purposes.
The most important thing, though, was that 3 very rich Americans were on there, and they were all opposed to the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank. All 3 of them died. This was 1912 if you don't know.
Yup. JP Morgan owned the Titanic, as well as part of the stake of the obscenely profitable Fed. Which was supposed to require putting up a huge amount of your own money but instead all the capital was furnished via loan from the Fed, which didn't exist yet. ¤
Nothing to see here
If only 3 people who had influence and were opposed to creating the Fed were killed that's enough, but I suspect there were many more smaller players on board that we don't know about.
Well supposedly the Californic went out there with nothing but wool blankets and sweaters. They were supposed to perform a rescue mission, but there was a mix up with an vessel that was doing illegal seal hunting. If the Californic was nearby, I bet they would've saved almost everyone except those 3 guys would be dead.
Wait, a rescue ship was sent to find survivors, but got distracted?
"Oh look, a seal!"
First case of ADHD
No, the captain of the Titanic saw signal flares from another boat he assumed was the Californic. It was the Samson that was out there doing illegal seal fishing, so they didn't want anything to do with anybody else.
So why did the Californication never arrive to help?
The columns were cut with Cordite. Melted slanted cut core supports found on video. No pancake theory.
September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor
The new pearl harbor was 1/6, some guy put his feet on the Speakers desk,
I've been a 9/11 truther for a long time, but I never found anything credible (to me) to suggest that the moon was staged.
Four years ago I'd have shaken my head at 9/11 conspiracies. Now, I dismiss nothing and want to know more about everything. In their desperation, they've shown too much. Too many have seen.
You realize that's part of the plan. How to flush out dissidents
I believed the official story till I saw the Epstein painting of Bush.
Insurance policies modified to include terrorist acts.
Tower 7
Building 7 didn't kill itself.
PERFECT!
James Corbet is an excellent resource, filled with citations: 9/11 tagged posts, videos
9/11 Whistleblowers - Full Documentary
Never forget building 7 & War is a racket.
Here this too http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7
And then... and then.... they said they were able to immediately identify the terrorists by finding the passport in the rubble on the ground hahahahahahahabaha we were such retards to believe them.
Speak for yourself. Some of us never believed them.
Who wanted us fighting wars in the Middle East? Yep.
Once they pulled off 9/11 and fooled us, they knew they could do anything to us! FACTS!
Why every possible thing fell perfectly into place to allow the whole thing to happen.
Just a cowinkie dink I suppose
9/11 was almost 20 years ago, there probably are a lot of pedes who are reading this topic that weren't even born.
2001 was a different time, if the internet was what it was now, they would not have gotten away with 9/11. Back then there was no one talking about it, just a few forums and Alex Jones. You didn't have social media, didn't have independent journalist, nothing. Most people today still think that only 2 buildings fell on 9/11 in manhattan. At least with this covid scamdemic, the internet does exist, despite censorship, many people know it's a fraud.
It took 9/11 years before people began to realize it was a lie. I'm not sure if the majority think it was a lie, but more and more people believe it as time goes on.
Why does janga always fall to a side and not straight down?
It's cause of structural shit
I'm shhhmmmmaaaaattttt
jenga towers dont buckle
I never went down that rabbit hole but, I am thinking it's time.
Pull it!
To start your journey, WTC7 was a controlled demolition. Takes weeks or months to rig a 52 story building the size of a city block with explosives and cut the beams for the demolition. It was setup waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of time. In other words, it was pre-planed. The government ignored WTC7 in the "official" report. Down the rabbit hole you go.
http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7
Oh FFS enough obsessing over 7 world trade. Its irrelevant. If anything it fell as an aftereffects of the towers or the towers fell on it.
WTC 7 is in no way irrelevant. That and John Brennan are the most knowable aspects of the whole thing.
Deep state is the master of false flags
It can be airplanes AND a conspiracy, y'all...
Look up the curious case of the taxi driver near the Pentagon.
Sounds like a Hardy Boys mystery.
I’m not sure I completely buy either side.
Only people who voted for Xiden believe the official 9-11 story.
No way some goat fuckers from the Middle East managed to get master degrees and plot this out on their own. You can thank the CIA and Mossad for 9/11.
Cant say what exaxtly happened but a lot of open questions. Questions should be always allowed.
The buildings turned to DUST