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tdwinner2020 5 points ago +5 / -0

So tell me what you think the story is.

I have my own ideas about what happened in Las Vegas. I could believe that Timothy McVeigh was an MK Ultra victim.

But 9/11? I've a hard time believing anything beyond John Brennan knew and the FBI knew/suspected and they let it happen. It's really difficult to believe that anyone in government would have actually run the whole thing.

The hijackers were real, and 15 of them apparently got visas personally approved by John Brennan, then CIA station chief at Riyadh. The planes were real. The planes and their fuel was enough to bring down the towers. I can totally believe that WTC 7's collapse was due to fires started by burning debris from the towers' collapse.

Still, after 2020... I wouldn't put it past some small cabal to have not just allowed it to happen, but collaborated with the hijackers. They would need a motivation, and that's probably to help Saudi Arabia get rid of Hussein. A bit farfetched for me. For Brennan the motivation would have been hatred for the U.S., which I can totally believe.

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KingSweyn 6 points ago +6 / -0

The NIST computer model of the wtc7 collapse is still confidential "for national security reasons". They couldn't produce a half-believable model for the public.

You can totally believe that wtc7 went down from fires, but they can't. They're not even trying to convince you. And they don't need to! Because you're unskeptical enough to believe them at their word. Why not just do that all the time, and be a lefty?

Then when I tell you the BBC was live from New York saying wtc7 had collapsed while it remained standing in the live camera shot, and fell around 15 min later? You can just use the magic words "conspiracy theorist" and never have to think critically again. Our government is closer to purely malevolent than vaguely benevolent.

Millions of Americans know the Bush admin was complicit in these attacks and the coverups, because they considered the weight of the evidence. If you will do the same, you will know as well.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

Please share your pet theory on Vegas.

It's entirely possible to recognize the official 911 story is at least part bs without pretending to know every detail.

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tdwinner2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

My Vegas theory is that what's-his-name, Saudi prince that hates MBS was going to hit MBS, and that his men were going to buy all those guns from Paddock to hit MBS with. MBS, after all, was staying at the Mandalay Bay. Well, I figure MBS' men found out and hit Paddock before the deal could go down. But here's the thing: MBS and his men hate us as much as any other Saudis, and his men needed a way to make those guns go away, and what better way than to kill a bunch of Americans and pin it on Paddock?

The FBI buries the whole thing because though they hate MBS and hate Trump and think they might be able to use this against Trump, well, you know the FBI, they also may be able to use this for Saudi graft, and probably already were taking some anyways. They had more reasons ($$$) to keep it on the down low than to use it to hurt Trump. Besides, they couldn't have hurt Trump with it: Trump would simply have demanded Saudi heads on a platter or it's war, and that would have made him popular.

Trump is not a dummy, so he probably figured out what happened pretty quickly. Taking down MBS and Saudi at that time would have been inconvenient when he was still so far from draining our swamp. So Trump also buried it.

What do you think?

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

That's as good as anything I've heard!

If DJT survives we should ask him about this. I'm inclined to think he'd drain any swamp at any opportunity, rather than bury it. Idk

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tdwinner2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's all one step at a time.

I also have this other theory about Trump himself. He's the kind of person that people go to with stories. JFK Jr is dead, but he told Trump all he knew. And many others told him what they knew. See Adm. Mike Rogers. So I think Trump has a patriot group at the NSA, and he's got all the receipts, and he knew how deep and wide the swamp really was, and we'll find out on Wednesday at noon if there's any truth to this and if he's willing to cross the Rubicon.

Now, if that's true, put yourself in Trump's shoes at the time of the Vegas shooting. The official story is a big shrug, and he can figure out the truth but the deep state doesn't want it out and it being out would risk war anyways and it's not a convenient time. He doesn't bury the story so much as he lets the FBI bury it - one more strike against them.

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tdwinner2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

There are things in the 9/11 story that don't fit very well. Like the FBI ignoring the calls from the flight schools. Or John Brennan being CIA station chief in Riyadh.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

John Brennan gives us the most concrete evidence we have. 15 of the hijackers only entered the US because he pulled strings.

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tdwinner2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

Right. I don't need the collapse of WTC 7 to be weird to know that some on the inside had a clue and let it happen and wanted it to happen. Also, there was no need for the deep state to collapse WTC 7 when 1 and 2 were going to be hit by planes, and I don't think they're very stupid.