Do you know any Democrats who believe the election was stolen? Are they okay with it because their guy won? I really want to know how they can be okay with that. I know this may upset some people but I am really not looking for the partisan answer of "all Democrats are evil/possessed by demons/communist". I struggle to understand it how they can be okay with rigged elections because of what it implies for the country's future.
Has anyone here tried to "reach across the isle"? At this point I think the fight is unwinnable without everyone on board. The greatest weapon the elites have is to keep us divided. Divided by race, by sex, but also by party lines.
there was a man in the street interview with some guy named Avi - he interviewed young people in New York.
They all agreed that if the ballot boxes were stuffed to get rid of Trump - that would be OK.
But it would bad if anyone did that to a Democrat.
That's how fucking dumb 20 year olds are today. We are not talking Plato or Aristotle.
Immoral, not dumb.
Agree: Sociopath and smart are not mutually exclusive.
Clearly not smart enough to understand that democratic institutions brought them all the conveniences and comforts of the modern world.
Nothing they use was invented in Communist countries.
The loss of democracy from 2020 on is going to be a tragedy for innovation and the economy and they are too stupid to get that.
Yea I’d say this has more to do with immorality than stupidity. NYC has so many morality problems that I used to see online leftists in NYC bitching about immorality in NYC.
There's a strong correlation between immorality and stupidity, though.
For one thing, most criminals are morons.
Also, ethical behavior does require a certain minimum ability to think abstractly.
"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you". This is a level of abstraction which is already beyond the ability of the average 20 year old progressive.
That is true. I don’t remember hypocrisy being such a common thing a decade ago. Now it’s as common as dirt, and it seems to have started with increased leftist radicalization. And it seems that radicalization started with things like Students for a Democratic Society members from the 70s becoming college professors and pushing Marxist collectivist conflict ideology in place of basic individual morality stuff like the golden rule. Now it’s readily apparent in the press.
So true. When I was a kid - people caught being hypocritical were extremely embarrassed and apologetic.
Even as late as the 1980s - Democratic Presidential candidate Gary Hart dared the media to follow him around because he was such a self-proclaimed moral figure.
When they caught him cheating on his wife - he quit the race.
Nowadays, that could never happen.
i did. with my brother. he was competely delusional and refused any evidence i gave him. He only looked at the police openng the gates on Jan 6h video and tried to rationalize it. we havent talked for 2 weeks now. He was shocked and said "you sound like one of them". I dont even live in his country. I am not a huge trump supporter. But if Kim Jong-Un tried to tell me he was democratically voted, Id tell him to fuck off. Just like with biden
"oRanGE MaN baD" that's why
I've gotten a couple to acknowledge that there was fraud, but in their opinions there's ALWAYS been fraud, but it doesn't matter and it's not enough to make a difference.
I've also gotten all the "the media is trustworthy, they've got proven credentials, Trump is lying" folks.
And the "Trump is a horrible person so I'm glad he's gone" brainwashed ones.
"ALWAYS been fraud, but it doesn't matter and it's not enough to make a difference"
The facts make this claim demonstrably false.
Trump was leading several swing states by hundreds of thousands of votes at midnight. Then they all stopped counting at 3 AM, and trucked in sacks of hundreds of thousands mail-in ballots which were 90-95 percent Biden votes.
Reversing the count in all the swing states and turning a Trump victory into a Biden victory.
How could any rational person claim that this wouldn't make a difference ?
Brainwashing, clearly! It's been crazy. After that I kind of gave up, but they seemed decent so I thought I'd try.
Apparently everyone just has blinders on I guess?
Because they have a hive mind mentality.... they think they’re smart but they are very stupid, school taught them nothing but gender studies and how to be a racist.
they dont care
they had to stop hitler
election rigging in their eyes is not as bad as litterally hitler
^ This
just that simple! wouldnt any of us rig an election to stop hitler! so no nukes no holocaust!
after all rigging an election is preferable to what happened in 1933-1945!
and these people have been brainwashed by mainstream media, big tech and holywood that trump is litterally hitler! they trully believe trump is hitler and his supporters are nazis! look at don lemon, i dont know if he is putitng up an act so people vote demonrat! or he truly beleives that!
I've met some who have been miffed about the censorship and think something seems off about the election but there wasn't much desire to see any of these things rectified or much consideration of future implications.
The impression I get from most is because MSM reinforces much of their thinking and it all seems very official, their trust still ultimately lays with them. Plus they often have a fixation on Trump alone and don't get what MAGA is all about.
They don't see the steal at all. They listen to what the media tells them and believe it to be true.
Many dont even believe it. Thats how lost they are.
Biden won, he got more votes. If there is a problem with voting stuff they'll fix it next time. - TL,DR of the conversations I've had with my family who are all democrat.
“fear will keep the local systems in line.” - Grand Moff Tarkin
Agreed. They think Biden won fair and square. They think the ease of mail in ballots and strong ground game of Democratic Party in high density urban centers resulted in a record turnout.
Of course most are not aware of the state hearings with over 3000 witnesses. But if they were, they’d imagine it’s all lies. As for the Dominion story, they label it Conspiracy Theory and dismiss out of hand.
Yes, their lack of curiosity is breathtaking, but this year, indeed these last four years, has exhausted their empathy and logic. Most still believe the “fine people on both sides” lie, the Russian hoax, and that Trump (even after unprecedented investigations) is the most corrupt person in America.
As Orwell prophesied, presenting them with proof is useless. Their programming runs too deep. Of course, their arrogant smugness doesn’t help.
When I mention the hearings, the usual reply I get is “What hearings”. Yes, MSM clips may have seeped out on the Internet, but out of context it’s hard to imagine the impact and mammoth fraud required to put all this into perspective.
I don’t know one liberal friend who watched the hearings. All statistical anomalies are dismissed by their belief the Covid mail in ballots myth that 80 million actually voted for Biden.
My point is that they don’t care. They’re exhausted by the divisive drama, Covid depression, and lack of empathy toward the less-than-human Trump supporter. Their guy won. Can’t life get back to normal? He’ll, these people blamed the summer BLM riots on Trump.
They are brainwashed and will not tolerate evidence or proof.
Is there an echo?
Almost none of the judiciary dismissals included reviewing evidence. Most were dismissed on standing. It’s one of the tragedies of this moment in history.
A few courts did look at evidence. The WI Supreme Court agreed fraud occurred, but refused to apply changes to this election. MI judges have looked at evidence and demanded transparency, but the AG continues to block release of info. In AZ the judge there has ordered audits and signature matching, after looking at evidence, yet the county leaders continue to refuse and law enforcement is not enforcing anything.
It is a LIE to say the courts have rejected THE EVIDENCE.
Yes. But... The only court in which evidence was offered that ruled against the evidence was the initial PA case, in which the 5 Democratic SC judges voted that the fraud listed would not have overturned the results, while the 2 GOP judges voted it would.
Many of Rudy’s and Sidney’s first lawsuits were badly written and included mainly statistical analysis, which doesn’t prove fraud but implies it. The evidence wasn’t as strong as it is today. That is another aspect of this that people forget. The timeline.
Regardless, to think that judges are above bias or corruption is naive. AGs are among the most corrupt officials in our modern era. Judges in many states are voted in, and corruption is part of the election process now.
Look up Michael “Ozzie” Myers. He is a Dem election consultant indicted this summer for election fraud in Philly. They caught him getting the vote "run up" in the Dem primaries and bribing the election judge to ok the fake results for his clients (which included local judges). So Dems have to come to understand they don't have a vote either...they can't vote for their own candidates...the party is choosing for them. Fraud hurts us all.
If they were logical or rational thinkers they wouldn't be democrats.
They believe the media that it wasn't rigged. They don't possess the critical thinking skills to question why it was such a bad idea to audit the most irregular election in our history.
They have spent the last five years so obsessed with hating Trump 24/7/365, seriously buying into the idea that he's the second coming of Hitler, that their emotions have overwhelmed them to a degree where I genuinely think their rational minds have been damaged, and I mean that in a clinical way.
They've lost the ability to see beyond what their resentment and arrogance trained them to see for half a decade, and so the idea that they've destroyed the foundation of the entire country and that they're risking civil war or secession is so far removed from their minds that even overwhelming evidence does not even register with them.
Over half of this country is either functionally retarded, nihilistic or in on the grand scam.
Orange man bad. Eats up what all msm says. Total delusion.
Most still don’t know. Many (including SCOTUS ) you have to say don’t care. If they acknowledge the issue at all, they would think it a problem that the states themselves have to fix. It’s not something that the President can get done. His only real chance w the electoral slates was if Congress agreed to do something along the lines of Cruz’s commission plan. Very small chance. I think Trump was right to exhaust every last legal avenue. My problem is that the news has not been told. An election is in essence an accounting system. If you want to know if there is fraud, you need to remove the politicians and lawyers from the question and listen to the accountants, statisticians, mathematicians and programmers analyze the election return data. Then examine where it points. If you know anything about these subjects the answer is very clear. But such questions are no longer even asked in the media, let alone answered.
They don't care and they pretend the evidence doesn't exist. They just wanted bad orange man gone at any cost.
There are several things going on.
First and foremost, most people are political partisans who know nothing about civics or political science. So they don’t care about anything but whether or not “their” party wins, and they just believe propaganda so they think they’ll get what they’re promised.
In order to see a problem with election fraud that you think is in your favor, you have to understand the importance of the underlying system and why system integrity is so important.
Most people don’t even know what elections are for. Their main purpose is public accountability so that average people can hold powerful elites accountable for harming their interests. They exist specifically so that populists can challenge elites.
When the system is undermined by a majority of elites and their useful idiots who have no idea who they are acting on behalf of then this accountability no longer exists. So there’s a much bigger problem.
Average non-elite people who thought they were supporting a righteous minority of populist elites by committing, ignoring, or making excuses for election fraud will find out at some point that they actually supported a majority of elites and then they’re no longer able to oppose anything when the abuses start.
I mean most people are so ignorant that they can’t figure out that Trump is a populist leader who is opposed by the majority of elites and primarily supported by a large populist movement. It should be blatantly obvious based on a multitude of evidence, but too many people have simpleminded ideas like anyone who’s a “billionaire” is automatically supported by all the other billionaires.
Democrats? Republican politicians are the same. You can't just say democrats anymore. A lot of registered democrats voted trump. Amost republican politicians voted to elect Biden, despite the overwhelming proof of fraud.
BAMN (by any means necessary, in the context of purging their political opponents) was one of the Antifa-centered movements that rose to notoriety a couple of years back.
Last time I checked, cheating was a means to the end that they wanted.
Given what the left has espoused over the the last 5 years via propagandized hyperbole, and duplicitous rhetoric; how can there even be room to question? Of course they're fine with election fraud.
My experience: when it happens to them, they’ll care. Until then it benefits them. This is how many people are.
Sheep will avoid the wolf just to be slaughtered by the Shepard people will in the same way trust the ones who keep they're bellies full with no foresight to the intentions of their masters