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Dane4Trump 3 points ago +3 / -0

Theoden was a doomer too. The difference is he chose to fight despite believing that he would lose and die.

He did this because refused to be cowed and because it was the right thing to do. Because of this he turned out to be of pivotal importance for goods triumph over evil.

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Bogey 2 points ago +2 / -0

After Gandalf talked to him he stopped being a Doomer. It likely was a result of his ring. The ring of power he held could give men courage. That hopium really pepped him up.

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Dane4Trump 1 point ago +1 / -0

I wouldn't exactly say that, yes he got a good dose of hopium, but;

He doomed pretty hard when Helms Deep was breached, but he rode out and fought anyway.

He doomed pretty hard when he couldn't muster as many troops as he had hoped, but he marched to Gondor anyway.

He doomed pretty hard before the battle of the Pelennor fields, but he charged anyway.

He got good hopium from Gandalf, but even when he thought he couldn't he couldn't win he still fought as good as he could.

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edxzxz 1 point ago +1 / -0

The difference is how the writer of this fiction decided to weave the story. Fiction is fiction, it is not reality.

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Dane4Trump 2 points ago +2 / -0

Like all other stories it can be seen as suffering from survivors bias.

The future is unknowable, meaning even if it seems unwinnable when you stand up and resist, then you can never know if events will happen that turn the tide in your favor.