TLDR: They Stole It, They Don’t Represent Us, Fundamentally Changing America for the Worse, So what now?
This was a response to another post that I decided to open up as its own thread. I’m looking to push past the hopium and look at this practically and get an idea what people not high on the good stuff are thinking. I’m Not to interested in the Q stuff; so I won’t be getting to excited about your 11th hour Hail Mary Trump kicks everyone’s ass theory. But post it anyways if you must, this isn’t Twitter after all
The bad guys made the decision to steal the election and did knowing it had a high probability of success — because their opponents, us — are law-abiding, party of law and order, people of character, respectful, have morals, faith, mutual respect, empathy, and want to simply live the best version of our lives possible that doesn’t require stepping on everyone’s back and sacrificing others. We aren’t the people to burn cities down to get our way. We work inside the constraints of the law and the constitution.
So I pose an honest question to the community here. What now? Every person that I have ever seen post anything about Trump 2024 was practically ran out of the place, because we knew that if this wasn’t resolved NOW, there will never be another true election again, America lost. All the talk of “The Receipts”, the pedo/deep state MOABs, “The Laptop from Hell”, Ukraine calling out the Biden family by name, Biden admitting to withholding 1 billion from Ukraine if they didn’t fire that guy, China money, the list is long. If ALL of this hasn’t stopped the transfer of power, do people really think justice will be served once Trump is out?
Guys, I just about OD’d on Hopium last week. I checked myself into a metaphorical rehab facility last week and took a whole week off from TD.win. Sifting through the chaff to find truth was becoming nearly impossible. Too much theory and guess work.
What’s the way forward? Start a third party, we all join it, then run in every freaking local election from the Lead Highway Trash Management Collector Guy all the way up to Senator? Try to beat them at their own game? Conservatives swamp the universities with applications to be professors and slowly re-educate people over the next 3 to 4 decades? I’m actually hearing this stuff.
How are we expected to “win” elections if they are rigged? If they are not rigged in your area, we’ve learned from the 2020 election that all it takes is a few liberal stronghold cities in a few swing states to flip a national election. So then what? Wait another 2-4 years? Do we really think the DemonRat held House, Senate, and Presidency will bring in election reform with voter ID’s, paper ballots, eliminate computer fuckery, and hold to constitutional counting deadlines?
Any form of protest to make our voices heard will apparently be highjacked by ANTIFA/BLM terrorists, they will commit violence and break the law, patriots will be painted as the evil domestic terrorists. Big tech is censors POTUS, the highest office in the free world, gets away with it. Colludes with other tech giants to shuts down competition, breaking anti-trust laws BIG TIME, fuck it I guess. Free-speech gone.
Patriots are fired from their jobs if they are exposed as conservatives. POTUS is losing business opportunities in the state of New York, being dropped by lenders; sure, private business can work with who they want, but the precedent has been set, oppose us and lose your livelihood even after public office and you return to your private life. Great way to disincentive good people from running. I guess who gives a shit on that one too.
So we are moving towards to separate economies and societies living and operating in parallel. One supports the establishment players, the other supports conservatives. Okay, so do we start putting signs up that read, “No Trump/Biden voters served here!” It’s already happening. What a great place to live! So secede? I would think so, but that’s being painted as “unconstitutional”. Ol’ Honest Abe settled that whole debate back in the Civil War days, right? I’ve heard that one before
So since the constitution does not specifically state, “In 200+ years when a group of elitist career politicians work in a manner that do not reflect the will of the people you may secede from the union. Some really obvious clues, that the country a lot of people just died for to create, is being dismantled in front of you include but not limited to election fraud, corrupt MSM, demonization of a particular political party, the complete assault on Christianity, the removal of the words “father” or “mother” from the capitol building.”
Sorry guys, not in the constitution, hands are tied, it would be illegal to separate ourselves from and government body that did not represent us but still levied a federal income tax. No one has done it before, don’t even bring it up. So again, now what? Accept that this is the hand we’re dealt? Hang in there until the next election that is somehow no longer rigged?
I won’t EVEN MENTION that other thing. If you even talk about it you will probably get a visit from someone who really cares about your individual freedoms. So again again, now what?
Pull out the popcorn? Are we allowed to have popcorn? How much and when am I allowed to have it? Can I eat the popcorn in my government provided 500 sq’ apartment, or must I eat it outside during our daily recess time?
Do we just sit back and enjoy the show? The horror film that is the world right now? Should we be entertained by this?
Texit and hope other red states follow. I’m down. But people need to understand the federal government will say no. People don’t seem to think that far ahead. The federal government doesn’t give a shit that Texas supposedly has a clause in its constitution that says it is “allowed” to secede. If they say no and we say yes....
...the US government doesn't have to lift a finger to financially strangle them from the inside out. You tell every major corporation that they'll face sanctions for operating in New Texas, and the country starts life with massive unemployment, crippled communication systems, and extremely limited access to any good not produced in its own state.
True. I mention other red states because Texas can’t do it alone. Never could. Other states would have to leave as well. Seceding states would need to move in numbers equaling economic critical mass. Essentially doing business in either the USA or Trumpville is equally lucrative. Trumpville is more business friendly and has lower taxes of course, so come on over!
The problem is there's no way enough states secede by force to make it worth giving up business in the US in order to do business there for like 95% of businesses. You'd lose millions of jobs in the short term. And lower taxes are great, but how do you keep all those unemployed people alive for the foreseeable future? Especially if a sudden break from the US could impact communication, access to medical supplies, and eliminate nearly all the markets that ranchers and farmers fo business with?
Perhaps that would act as a pressure point on the USA not bar businesses or tariff the hell out of Trumpville. It’s would be economic mutually assured destruction. California can’t float the blue states. They can’t float themselves.
All speculation here, but If there would be mass job loss, it would most likely favor one side over the other. People would flee from and to both sides. Given, but based on the color map of the vast majority of this country, we are red. I believe more people would go to Trumpville vs stay or go to the USA. In the short term there will be a surplus of labor, but let’s not forget the type of people that are making up this labor surplus. Entrepreneurs, tradesman, strong work ethic. I think and society of go-getters, self-starters, hard workers wrapped in blanket of a new society that appreciators capitalism and the America First ethos would very quickly jump start and grow an economy around this folks.
The drain and the following bust would hit the new blue USA. Their society favors government guarantees, jobs programs, tenure, and labor unions. Always bidding for the highest pay, most benefits, for the littlest work. They will struggle to start or salvage that economy, not for lack of talent, but because of their mindset.