AFTER GOING TO MY PARENTS HOUSE.
Im 35 years old, I own a successful business. I was going to go to d.c. on the 6th just like many of you. Apparently someone on social media (which i have deleted a week ago) "reported" that I was going.
I actually did not go and showed them surveillance of me working here. This is no longer a theory, this is a full blown communist takeover. Tell your friends and family to GET OFF SOCIAL MEDIA. We no longer have freedom. We are indeed under attack for our views and its just a matter of time before it gets worse.
I asked the two agents if they investigated the cop letting people into the capitol to which one replied, "there are a lot of investigations" I'm like riiiiight. I will say the female officer was kinda cute tho O_o
I have friends that are in law enforcement and i love them, and my country. Once this initial shock wore off the heart break set in.
R.i.p. America 1776-2021
social media is cancer.
THIS!
TD.win enters the chat... what, I'm not Social Media?
So they're "visiting" people on heresay now... Not on facts. OP, did they provide you some sort of inflammatory post you made it did they merely say someone said you were going?
My God, what have we come to
Why are they "visiting" anyone?
And why are they walking away afterward?
The OP is right, this is full on state police totalitarian crap.
Agreed, I’ve been trying to tell everyone they better get ready for what the Left has in store for us. I would not doubt every single one of us eventually getting a visit by the state police, just a warning to let us know we had better watch our step.
We now know we can’t even count on our own politicians or media to have our backs, they have been throwing us all under the bus since the events at the Capitol. The Left would have fought tooth and nail for their people. That’s why we are losing and will continue to lose. How many are now afraid to voice their honest opinion? You do, you could end up in a jail cell branded a domestic terrorist.
The Left sees this as the perfect opportunity to completely destroy Conservatism and the entire Conservative movement. They will not stand for opposing opinion any longer. Obey their demands or you will lose everything.
Goodbye USA, it was a nice run while it lasted.
This is the intimidation phase.
OP probably lives next to a donut shop
it seems you have forgotten,
they launched an entire 3 year investigation, special counsel, and fisa surveilance
base completelly on hearsay.
they launcehd an impeachment,
based entirely on hearsay
thats how far we fallen.
They did not, looking into legal action as we speak
I don't believe you. You clearly attempt to easily get Trump supporters to self censor. No FBI came to your business. You don't even have a quote. We have to keep the fight on all platforms or else we are erased.
I can second that, it’s straight bullshit
could be either... but one thing is for sure...
Not fake
Clarification: Commie socialist leftist globalist social media.
Social Media was great before it became big tech after 2016. .win is getting back to making social media great again
Yes, but they still believed that left to our own devices, good would prevail. Good in their mind is mindless socialism. Needless to say, their version of good did not prevail in 2016 so now they must use big brother tactics, hence, big tech.
Look at me! insert scawny relative of Ilhan Omar We are the resistance!
Lol
TD: Am I a joke to you?
Agreed.
I have never understood why people post so much to social media.
For years I have resisted the urge to make posts of my bowel movements (not actual pictures, don't be gross). Just a status of when I need to "make some bears", whether I was successful, any outstanding features, how I felt afterwards (ala Cartman and his satellite dish).
Just as a mockery of how much people put on social media. It is ridiculous. "I ate eggs for bfast this morning, yum". WHO PHUCKING CARES!!!
It's much worse than just social media. IF you traveled to DC on the 6th with an operational cellphone in your pocket, consider yourself to be on a list, RIGHT NOW.
That is why these posts are so important. Everyone is all gaga about facial recognition or who ratted them out on the Internet because they like space age shit but the sad simple truth is that most people had beacons in their pockets.
Need to start a tally of people who receive visits who are not on social media.
I proposed a push a separate campaign to make the 1/6 event mixed (my submission and messages since purged by the mods) that would invite all the leftys to march in DC alongside us on the 6th also -- (for them) to protest the $600 stimulus which they are pissed about. Most here thought it was a crappy idea because they wanted to be the only ones on THE OFFICIAL FBI CELL PHONE PING LIST.
Might have been a good idea, a true bipartisan protest.
Patriots are going to have to go operationally, " Pre- Internet and pre-cellphone" in order to function as a Resistance. Also bear in mind any vehicle you use that is manufactured after 2009, has a " blackbox" and GPS that can rat you out. Get rid of your smart watch and Alexa as well. Make sure your computers are disconnected AND cover all cam devices! P.S. I am NOT paranoid.
Lol at "p.s I AM NOT PARANOID!!"
sads bc its true.
My neighbor told me something to that affect, but I find it hard to believe. Sure, "luxury" vehicles and most like GM stuff has "on-star" or whatever, which definitely fits the decision, but you are saying that a piece of shit 2012 Toyota Corolla base-model with crank windows is calling home? I find that hard to believe.
Time to start looking up how to remove an OnStar
Tire pressure monitoring (mandated in 2000) uses serial numbered RF transmitters that are easily recorded as you drive past sensors on the highway
I was there. I had my cellphone. I feel kind of dumb now, but I guess it's going to take awhile to get the mechanics of living in an oppressive state under my fingers. I already degoogled my phone and have never been big on social media, but I guess that's not going to be good enough. Man this really fucking sucks. I just went there to make my voice heard after 4 years of watching a completely corrupt system do everything it could to take down a duly elected president who was only trying to give power back to the people. And now I'm likely on some thought crime list. I feel like Winston fucking Smith hiding his diary in his wall.
I didn't go inside the building or anything. Nobody anywhere around me even knew that was happening, and I wasn't too far from the front of the lawn.
Sorry if I spooked you, just stay cool... and NO I was a dufus too -- not bringing it up before the event. But who even considered these things? Until 1:50pm it was just a Trump rally, the best ever. Safety in numbers and you were in very good company. Cell tracing is just one of the tools they have to discover that -- fuck yeah, who was there was a natural cross section of America and not some hyper-organized 'group'.
I've seen a few studies, one was done with smartphone apps that Spring Break kids had given permission to reveal their precise location. In a creepy yet awesome animation they showed the dots gathering on the FL beach and returning home. All for "muh COVID" -- even 1 year ago if they had followed people like that it would have generated an uproar!
The 'native' (non app and non-GPS) cell phone system does ping phones but not to a very precise location. They could discover you were in DC within a few blocks.
Definitely go through apps if you have a slabphone and remove the ones that demand the your phone reports its location. That data is out there for sale. Law enforcement stuff no one can do anything about.
"Hey guys, just had a great nap! Maybe going out to eat later tonight."
"Hey guys, got a burger at @BurgerPlace! Yum!"
"Hey guys, totally beat today. Gonna relax with some Fortnite!"
"Hey guys, can't sleep because Orange Man Bad. Anyone else stay up late thinking about like starving kids in Africa and stuff? 1 like = 1 prayer."
Hey guys, fucking muh wife. Jk watching the bull!
OFFICIAL UPDOOT
John Reese: Never understood why people put all their information on those [social networking] sites. Used to make our job a lot easier in the CIA.
Harold Finch: Of course. That's why I created them.
John Reese: You're telling me you invented online social networking, Finch?
Harold Finch: The Machine needed more information. People's social graph, their associations. The government had been trying to figure it out for years. Turns out most people were happy to volunteer it. Business wound up being quite profitable, too.
-- Person of Interest episode 118 "Identity Crisis"
I learned real quick, I’m never posting anything anymore
Because were not fucking cowards?
It's this century's asbestos.
We're not going to realize the actual scope of the damage for decades.
Yep. I got sued because of Facebook. FUCK FACEBOOK!!
If you can, give the highlights? I understand if you can't.
Except for TD, which is technically SM.
False, TD is NOT social media. There is no sense of "friending". This is a message board.
Message boards are social media.
How many time do we have to tell you guys?
DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE
You showed them fucking video?? God Damnit People.....
TALK TO MY LAWYER
Or ask the police for their source of authority. (They don't have one, most law enforcement in this country is actually fraud)
You don't know what you are talking about. Look up proclamation 2039 and proclamation 2040. And "sovereign citizens" is a made up, oxymoronic term used to discredit people actually discovering the truth about our God given rights. I never said to reject police authority, but to challenge it. The police in this country all work for the IMF and the Vatican and have no actual authority over a living man or woman, but if you don't know how to act as a living man, you will get brutalized by the system. You don't know what your rights are where they come from so yeah, you would get fucked over in court. Look up Robert Fox teaches law on YouTube and maybe learn something. Or check out Crrow777radio.com for more great information on the law.
The police have no authority? I'm pressing x bud
I don't think you get this, the guys with guns say they are charge, thus they are in charge.
Bullets don't care about legality.
And while you have a gun, they have however many men with their owns guns it takes to kill you, even if it means thousands of men.
No, say nothing to them. Period.
You're smart, you can figure out how they came to your door.
Get this retarded sovcit shit out of here.
It's all you post.
No one here is going to sign up for your stupid shit.
Yah, all SovCit shit gets is you arrested or killed. NO cop in the land respects it.
So you can't prove me wrong, you just don't like what I have to say. Good luck out there, pal.
You're under the delusion that laws are things that have power. They are not. Laws are simply conventions that people and institutions use to wield power. All the laws and proclamations in the world don't matter if no one listens.
Refusing to engage with your clown logic != “can’t prove me wrong.”
You’re not automatically right just because nobody wants to battle with you.
They are a fraud with guns, and the backing of 99% of people to shoot and kill you for not complying. So you really don't have a choice here.
Wait for real?
Don't listen to him, he is spouting Sovereign Citizen bullshit. Every cop and court will tell you its bullshit and insanity. Since the cops have the guns and courts put you in prison....take a guess who yoiu have to listen to.
No, it's not real.
If you're unsure, go prove it to yourself one way or the other. The evidence is all available to the public. Did you know the inauguration used to take place on March 3? Go find out why it was changed and who made the changes.
Then talk to the hand!
Don't Talk to the Police
Thanks for this!
This 100%
I don't recall who, but there was a comedian who had a bit on "The First 48". He said that in every case he say the person who said "I want a lawyer" had a message at the end of the show that they were let go without any charges.
Having been arrested a few times in my day, I found it hard to not talk to them. Everyone thinks they can explain away shit, you can't. Just shut up.
Exactly this. If you're getting arrested or detained, nothing you can say will stop it.
The best thing to come out of Buffalo, NY
But he was one of the good cops, he was just trying to help me out! /s
He said he'd tell the judge to let me plea down if I just turned in 5 friends and family
He said video of him at his business working - and not even in DC
Who gives a fuck?
Do you have a warrant? No, you may not come in. I have nothing to say to you. If you have any further questions contact my attorney.
The point, in case you missed it, is that they dont give a fuck about the truth, only about nailing you. Also it wastes their resources as working through attorneys takes more time.
Also, everything you say can and will be used against you. The converse is, of course, that nothing you say can help you in a court of law. One way street.
I was a cop, once upon a time.
We were trained to find proof of criminality, not proof of innocence. The only reason they are talking to you is to bust you.
The advise here is useful,
but the OP may be fake & gay.
As all OPs are.
Thank you. The police are not on our side. We need to take all actions regarding them with that in mind.
A business owner? FBI would allow your lifes work be looted, burned, and even if your family was killed in the process they would let the perps walk free depending on their ideology. The state, local, and county Police are no different.
Its never a bad idea to have a relationship with an attorney or law group that you can call on in just such a situation. Generally you dont pay a retainer until you have a case they are dealing with for you. Usually its a case-by-case kinda thing.
A general retainer, as I understand it, is not a common thing.
Personally I dont have a general relationship with an attorney, but I do have concealed carry insurance that gives me access to a liberty-minded attorney network that would have experience in such matters should a fibby come knocking on my door.
Everyone should get arrested once in their youth. You learn a lot and get a relationship with a lawyer!
Kidding. But there is some truth to it lol
Retaining an attorney is pricey, you're paying a significant amount of money every month to a lawyer to sit there and do nothing on the chance you might someday need their services.
If you're worried about being questioned, find a reputable defense attorney in your area (if they have an ad that mentions personal injury, move on), book a meeting (you'll pay for a consultation), and ask them if they will defend you if you need them, and get some of their business cards in case you're taken into custody, or someone knocks on your door without a warrant.
This is what an actual attorney told me, when I asked out of curiosity.
You should have a lawyer you use for any general bullshit paperwork. A friend or a family member of a family friend etc. etc.
What if you don't have an attorney and have video that proves you weren't even there?
Fuck em. They don't know that at the moment.
That footage will be priceless exonerating him in a court of law with a lawyer at his side. Until then, LE can fuck off.
I thought you need to prove guilt, not innocence? At least that is the wa it used to be
welcome to the USSA
Show me the patriot, and that is his crime!
To have the nerve to show up without even seeing any footage of him in DC,
Whats wrong with being in DC?
What else did they see in the video? Did anything in the video conflict in any way with anything he said?
Why take those risks?
Cannot emphasize this enough. Should be top comment.
I'll be going to zero very shortly.
This a thousand times.
and people were wondering why we were scared of COVID snitch networks.
The idocy of that is ridiculous. Not like he, nor anyone along the chain, hasn't had to physically touch their mail. And that's aside from masks not working in the first place.
That's why I laugh when people say nazism or communism "would never happen here." Dumb people will sell out their neighbors not even for money, just because the tv told them to.
They will sell out their neighbors for a 3 second power trip.
Nah, carriers are almost impossible to fire, don't ask how I know. He'll be put on a different route, or sent to a different hub.
Some stupid lady in Whole Foods tonight touched literally every single potato. Wtf is the point of these stupid bullshit masks? Germs are everywhere, people need to accept this.
This country almost deserves what's coming from these leftists
This is only the beginning I fear.
It’s actually FBI that’s the problem. They should tell whoever is reporting to go fuck off.
Didn't you all see the video that was trending on twitter - about trump is going to leave the white house but will have a new army of terrorists - saying us supporters are all terrorists - it's insurrection its terrorism putting that call to action up against a political party - call to violence - and that its okay to kill trump supporters because we are going to burn the country down - off the top of my head- getting the link now for it - not exaggerating ...
Had our founding fathers failed in the American Revolution, we would not be calling them Patriots, Founding Fathers, or anything BUT Terrorists.
The American Constitution has been on life support since the New Deal, and more recently since the 2000 election. The establishment has been trying to figure out how to rig the vote to ensure only establishment candidates pass through the halls of Congress. Do not be fooled - the uni-party is alive and well. Those that appear BASED, just have not been turned, or it's merely for show. Recent events only prove that the establishment is much larger than the populous knew, and that it extends deep in to big tech.
The Constitution has be dead since 1920 when Justice Oliver Wendell homes decided the Constitution is whatever the Supreme Court says it is
1912 and the founding of the federal reserve
FBI probably put that out, just like they have been going on about the Right Wing Terrorists since who knows when
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX7apYA6boM from that pos Don Winslow
Get in there pedes and downvote this commie shit.
Agreed
Communist would want you to isolate yourself DO NOT GET OFF SOCIAL MEDIA! Delete random people you don't know or trust. Right now isn't the time to isolate yourself.
Thing is, he doesn't know that it was a random person who reported him.
We all absolutely need to get off mainstream social media. Ditch Twitter and Facebook. Migrate to alternative networks like Gab. Maybe Parler since apparently they're back up.
A thousand times, this.
One of the fastest and easiest ways of getting past background checks and employer queries has always been to honestly say "I don't do social media, since it's a complete waste of time. Instead I go hiking, fishing, camping, traveling, etc etc etc..."
Sounds like something a terrorist would say
Downvotes missed the joke
😂
You mean, "one of the fastest and easiest ways of getting your application thrown in the trash," since most of them will just assume you're lying.
I'm old enough to pull it off ;)
FreeSpace will be up this week - encrypted messaging and platform - all the bells and whistles and even video hosting and lets you monitize - plus they lay the fkn smack down on kiddie f*ckers and kiddie prons .... #SaltyArmy 🧂 The Salt Must Flow!
tell me more.
This is relevant to my interests.
more likely a family member
Parler isn't back up and that's one of my biggest points, everyone said get off twitter go to parler, screw big tech. Then they pull the servers to parler and millions of communication links are lost. We need to share info as much as possible right now, something is still better than nothing. There are so many fake profiles on Facebook, when I said random, i was talking about people you don't know. So many people accept friend request from people they don't know or cloned accounts. I only let people I've met on my fb account and I make them answer a questiona security question before I accept their request. I know it's super nerdy, but I get a lot of garbage "friend" request.
Dude. Delete your facebook!!! Wtf!?!
I got red pilled on Facebook by a co worker i hadn't worked with in over 5 years, it's too important not to communicate the truth by any means necessary
Get off social media, get to church.
Most churches are cucked.
Just know that church membership are allegedly kept in a national database in Colorado for reasons
Not surprising, still going.
Nothing you do or say on enemy platforms is safe. Respond accordingly. Getting off Faceslag etc is not isolation.
Join ALT-TECH MEDIA! I'm building a Facebook alternative at frenzme.com... need help getting the word out... no one seems to care, all still ADDICTED TO FAKEBOOK.
How do you know it's not AI that scanned posts for "1/6 DC" and made a nice little list for the Feds?
The FBI are not the good guys
He broke rule #1, do not talk to them, simply ask for your lawyer.
Gen Flynn made this mistake, he did nothing wrong, and they FUCKED him for 4 years, bankrupting him.
THIS RIGHT HERE!!!
Upvoting you all here. You do not talk to tyrants. Do not talk to the FBI.
Yes. Let them try to build a case against you, spend those investigative dollars for absolutely nothing. The more the FBI is seen as partisan, and a giant waste of inflation dollars, the better.
If they EVER take you to court, THEN show your exculpatory evidence.
This a popular opinion here on .win, but I’m curious what most would actually do. Do you have a lawyer? I don’t. I wouldn’t even know who to call. I’m sure I could do some legwork and figure that out. So, now I’ve got a lawyer. He charges what $2-500/hour to talk to FBI agents that aren’t worried about spending my dime? Seriously? That’s in addition to all the time that would have to be invested. I think OP did it right. Hater called him in, he was verifiably innocent. Case closed.
You don't have to talk to them period, lawyer or not. 5th amendment says so and if they go ahead and charge you with something then you get free counsel, and even then you don't have to talk to them.
Call your lawyer for a free 30min consultation. They will tell you not to talk to the FBI or police. Done.
You clearly are missing the point.
"Do not talk to them without a lawyer present" is not because you have nothing to hide. The reasoning is that anything you say, even if it is an innocent comment, can and will be used against you if they need to.
Being lazy about your legal rights is not how you want to conduct yourself during a corrupt agency's interrogation.
very wrong. It is never to your advantage to talk. ever. And most law enforcement don't want a lawyer there either. Usually they're just fishing and will move on to better waters if they see you're going to lawyer up.
Commies, STASI, GESTAPO, etc. do not "case closed" on their targets (doesn't matter even with 100% clear evidence of innocence; dragging through the process is enough to punish and ruin most people); once you're on one of their "Lists", you are on one of their lists for life (til death, and even then they put your family/etc on their list too.)
Just never forget the people you are communicating with are evil and want to hurt you.
Even his original attorneys fucked him too though!
I had to sit down with my wife last night and had a very lengthy conversation with her about if the FBI ever showed up at our door, or if the local police, there are several steps to take.
1.) RECORD THE ENTIRE INTERACTION ON YOUR PHONES CAMERA - Speak calmly, clearly, and politely. Be respectful to them until they give you a reason not to be.
2.) Ask to see identification through the door, either window or peephole 3.) Ask the person at the door to hold up their ID to the security camera, close enough to see it 4.) Without opening the door, demand to know why they are at the house. Demand to see their warrants 5.) If they have no warrant, tell them to leave and not return unless they have one.
Never were. They shot Vickie Weaver in the head while she was holding her child. They burned the Davidians alive. They let Hillary Clinton off the fucking hook.
What more evidence do you need that these people serve an evil master not the people!?!
HR department of the country.
Nothing says "friend" like reporting someone you know online. This is absolutely terrifying.
What if it wasn't a friend at all, but FB itself, or fbi monitoring?
you guys beat me to it. 100% chance the feds were monitoring OPs online activity and used the friend excuse as just that
Maybe it would be prudent for anyone who went to dc to delete their comments or posts about it. Those who didn't but considered should leave their comments up as red herrings.
Pretty sure this site has been scraped and data mined for all it's worth by now.
And this is why I am against mandatory minimums on drug laws...or anything else
Guess what, literally everything is recorded on every american citizen. There is no fisa court required, everyone is under surveillance 100% of the time.
Seconding NoGulagsForMe. It's not a conspiracy theory either. It's a legitimate tactic used to catch drug kingpins, terrorists, and all other types of untouchables.
"Parallel construction is a law enforcement process of building a parallel, or separate, evidentiary basis for a criminal investigation in order to conceal how an investigation actually began."
This is correct. Social media has already mining data. All the agencies need is a computer algorithm that can automatically report.
Well, most people have some libtard faggot they might know from school or work or even a family member, so they have them added on FB.
Happened to me once.
I was up for a promotion. A coworker on my FB, screen shotted spicy posts I'd made, and gave them to the senior leadership of my organization.
The promotion was cancelled, and my boss was told by their superiors that "that guys career is done." They couldn't fire me outright (legal reasons) but the writing was on the wall and they were going to make my life at work shit forever more. So after >25 years with the same employer, I left.
Thing is, I was never shown the posts I'd supposedly made that we're so scandalous, they could have been faked screen shots for all I know.
Edit: I was also never officially informed of my accusers identity, though I figured it out through the grapevine eventually. It was not professional competition, it was ideological anger at my right wing humor.
I don't care how far right or left someone's politics are, that is as pathetic and despicable as it gets.
A lot of corporate workplaces are filled with these types which is why destroying small business and the middle class was a feature and not a bug of the lockdowns.
This is so unfortunate for you, but let it be a lesson to all that use social sites like Facsistbook and Twitter. We might live in a high tech world, but old world rules apply as much today as ever. NEVER write down (post) anything that you don't want a stranger to pick up and read. In this day and age, even an off-hand humorous remark is taken seriously/literally by the authoritarian Left and if it benefits them, they will use it against you. Be it to humiliate you, get you fired or stir up a hornet's nest in your private life, do not give ammo to these cretins.
So, no spicy memes on TDW? {sadpepe.jpg}
Only if you are in a position where these traitorous cretins can't destroy your life. If you are, then full memes away!
this is why i have no friends lol. it's not because im a weirdo or social outcast. its because i dont trust people at ALL
My wife of 30+ yrs I’d my best friend, the rest are just people I know and don’t disclose personal info too.
People at work always ask, how’s your weekend?...it the same answer every time, relaxing.
Yet I know everything about them, their dog, their car stereo, their last fuck and fuck over.
People cost time and involvement, I don’t need their issues nor their temp friendship
Read 1984
It's all coming.
Don't talk to the FBI. Do not show them evidence. Do not do anything at all without a lawyer.
OP, you are lucky if your loose lips don't come back to haunt you.
There was a sticky just the other day about not talking to police. It was a good video.
edit: https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE
Yes! Was just about to post that. Even had a Detective telling stories of how stupid people are to talk the police. Would you rather plead the 5th and be detained for a few hours or falsely inprisoned for years for something a cop misremembered you said, or some DA successfully paints a different picture to the jury. It happens more than it should. Ask General Flynn. Don’t incriminate yourself. The 5th Amendment is there so you are not a witness against yourself. “Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.” Does it say “some things you say may be used to prove your innocence”? NO!!!
Do not talk to police even if you are innocent, and have video proof of your innocence. These are trained interrogators and you are no match. Despite your innocence you may say something or exaggerate such as humans do, and they can catch you in a white lie unrelated to original matter and string you up for lying to federal investigators. “No, I never went to the protest, and don’t know anything about what happened there.” Whoops you just lied cuz your post history shows you know plenty about what happened and McSally co-worker witnessed you talking about how awesome the protests were even though you didn’t go. get an attorney to talk to them.
I second ^^^THIS^^^
What the going after Flynn taught us is that there is NO SUCH THING as "private, and off the record" with any level of law enforcement
I just heard a story on a local news program, about a woman that had a game warden for a boyfriend. When the relationship got intimate, she began relating, obliquely, about hunting and fishing practices that weren't exactly proper.
Her boyfriend began connecting the dots. She was shocked when he arrested her for violations of the fishing/wildlife codes, and used her testimony gained over the course of their friendship , against her.
She foolishly thought her relationship with an LEO would cause him to look the other way.
She was wrong.
When they want to "just be your friend", that's when you are in the biggest danger of incriminating yourself.
Never let your guard down. When they start asking questions of you that go beyond, How's your day? and How's the weather? - particularly about specific activities - they aren't there for getting to know you as a friend.
One to THE WORST things about a police state, is that it destroys people's ability to relate to one another in a positive way. The Fight or Flight defensive posturing does not make for solid positive relationships.
Some people just want to learn the hard way despite all the stories and examples you can provide.
its the patriotism propaganda, this is land of the free after all. We beat the evil natsees and are back to back world war champs. Thats what everyone is taught in school so why would they think the commies are now running the land of the free?
Also makes you have full trust in the military, which is and has been in enemy hands for 100+ years.
^ THIS.
This! Don't talk to them. Make them come back with a warrant (which they'd never be able to get). While you talking to them they were scoping you out for anything to nail you on. That is their job.
Same thing happened to me. Why did they go to our parents house? I don't have their address registered anywhere. I think Facebook ratted me out.
They go to the parents first for two reasons:
100% scare tactic. They have nothing on you. Not even a valid cause to look into you. But now you'll be pressured by your parents and all their neighbors to stop doing whatever you're doing.
And if you’re doing nothing the feds hope you stop doing that too
Jokes on them, my mother is an alcoholic with dementia who doesn’t know what day it is!
Ha! Both of my parents have been deceased since my early 20's and before. They may visit them any time they like.
I think we all made the democrat voter joke in our heads. lol
Hello Batman.
They probably both voted for biden
If they could find him out in the middle of nowhere, my old rancher dad would meet them with the business end of a rifle and not so politely tell them to remove themselves from his property.
So now it was illegal to even be in DC that day?? WTF is happening
Investigation of what?
They go to the parents as a way to shake them up/scare them and as an intimidation thing to you. Also hope your parents will give up a bunch of info on you.
Friends of your parents? Have any as your friends? They would know your parents address but not yours.
You are questioning how the FBI knows who your parents are and where they live?! They know way more than that about every American.
Should have told them to come back with a warrant. I wouldn't have shown them anything except my asshole until then. Would have pulled my cheeks apart and made them watch it tell them, "I request a lawyer."
You don't even need to say that. If they ask, just respond with- none of your business. If they press, clam up until your lawyer is sitting next to you.
There is no law that prevents you from traveling anywhere in the continental United States. For any reason. Covid or not.
you have faith that they will abide due process
THAT, my good 'Pede, is the million dollar question.
Due process has an orderly format, based upon an underlaying foundation of laws, statutes, and judgments.
If THEY are not operating under the premises of due process and the rule of law, then all bets are off until it can be established those are the operating premises again.
Goatseman showed us the way.
Going to DC is not a crime. You can tell them to politely get the fuck off your property unless they any reason to detain you. Get a lawyer next time before you say squat to the fbi. they WILL look for ways to fuck you over.
The more arrests, the more overtime, the worse they can make this look, all the more ammo for gun confiscation.
On the house floor in a month: 50,099 persons are according to the fbi INVESTIGATED as part of this plan, they all have guns, we're all so scared, DO SOMETBING!
The FBI shows up and you actually cooperate with them (proving your innocence through video). What is wrong with you?
Plenty of people have been falsely convicted based on fabrications and insinuations spun from idiots cooperating and "proving their innocence." Proof is for a court of law, or given by your lawyer who's protecting your ass. Everything before that is playing an asymmetric game with your life and liberty. It's beyond idiotic in this day and age given everything that's happened. If you don't go in the water, the shark can't eat you.
Flynn anyone? Its was literally a "friendly" lunch.
Yeah in this scenario, I understand why the guy did it. He had easy exculpatory evidence to show.
But what about the thousands of Pedes who visited their own nations capital, but didn't storm the capital? Those definitely need to have a lawyer present.
yea. how long will that evidence last? everntually the tape will be overwritten, and then when the FBI pulls him into a terrorist detention facility, well, good luck.
this needs to be top. What a moron. How are people on our side still this ignorant? It will cost us our lives..
FYI - Innocence is not proven over a video before agents. Innocence is determined before a judge in a court of law. FBI agents and LEO's do not function as arbiters of guilt/innocence. They apprehend suspects after they have gathered incriminating evidence against those suspects. THAT is their function in the system.
That is why it is useless to try to "prove your innocence" before an agent or a LEO. When they tell YOU to "Tell it to the judge", they aren't getting snarky with you - they are reminding you who does what in the system.
One IS cooperating by politely telling them they will receive the answers to their questions when your attorney is present.
Don't nee to get ugly or go all "Sovereign Citizen" on the agents/officers. Just be polite, but firm in asserting your privacy and your rights.
You may ask as to whether you are personally being investigated for a crime, and what that crime is. You may ask for verification of their employment and their ID's.
You may politely ask if they have a warrant; if not, you may politely decline their access to your premises.
In this, don't get cocky and venture onto grounds they can spin against you.
You have no absolute obligation to show them anything, or answer any question they may pose.
They, on the other hand, must answer your questions truthfully concerning warrants, whether you are suspect in a crime, who they are, and their identification. ANYTHING less will get the case thrown out, with a good attorney and a decent judge. (Judge Sullivan was NOT a decent judge).
They don't have to tell you if you're a suspect, but everything else is spot on.
So we now live in a world where false accusations can be made that warrants FBI involvement because TDS, but the FBI doesn't have the time to bother with cities being burnt down.
We officially live in a world where only one side is prosecuted.
Yes. Conservatives are officially second class citizens now.
If a black guy kills people in self defense in Fulton County, it's unlikely to be prosecuted because it's so common and understandable with all the break-ins etc.
A white guy having to defend himself in Fulton County ... National news for a week, ACLU, BLM, SPLC, PETA, you name it, you're not getting a fair trial.
Wendy's will be burnt down before your indictment is on the docket.
This goes much deeper than Obama
Yes, at least Big Mike deep
Now THAT’S deep!
But he didn’t help.
FBI are worthless chodes
Why did president Trump do absolutely nothing to fix the FBI?
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.
What can they order you to do if they don't have a warrant? They either have to arrest and charge you with something or they have to fuck off, right?
Yep. Tell them to fuck off.
Didn't Obama make it legal to detain someone for any amount of time. All they have to do is say they think you're a terrorist, and pretty much, all you need to do to be a terrorist these days is to have voted for Trump.
Don't talk to the FBI at all, under any circumstances.
If they show up, tell them you're exercising your right to remain silent and will only speak to them through your attorney. If they keep talking, repeat the same statement until they either arrest you or leave. If they arrest you, call that attorney.
I dont answer the door for anybody I dont know, if I needed a reason for them to be at my door I would have told them.
^ THIS
This is my question, though, what exactly can they legally order you to do other than, "turn around, put your hands behind your back, these are your rights, do you understand them..." without a warrant?
Nothing.
But in OPs case, showing evidence that they weren't there was the best play. Whereas doing the dumb-ass sovereign citizen shit of "am I being detained?" over and over again wasn't going to help the situation.
FBI came, asked about Jan 6, OP showed they weren't there, case closed. If they hadn't been at least cordial with them, would have been more of a headache (further investigation, possible warrant, etc.)
People can't say BLM folks just need to comply with police and then not follow their own god damn rules when the FBI comes knocking.
Guilty until proven innocent is the new norm
Where was OP being declared guilty? There was a "tip" (if you can even call it that), and the FBI followed up.
What if a disgruntled neighbor called CPS on you and lied and said they heard you screaming at your kids. CPS shows up, sees kids are fine, case closed. Doesn't mean you're guilty of anything.
A tip that what? He might have planned to attend a political rally in DC? How is that in any way worthy of investigation by the FBI?
CPS observes that the boy isn’t being forced to wear a dress. Probable cause to remove children from home.
Being in DC isn't a crime. Therefore, they can fuck right off and go blow eachother in the car
oh they will MAKE IT crime though
"going against the state"
BAM
Or “traveling without a reason” due to the “lockdown.” I’m convinced it’s coming.
Basically. At the end of the day im not doing a damn thing wrong. Not that going to dc is even wrong (which to the one agents credit she said that) but the whole thing is sheer insanity.
Never talk to the police. Ever. They will never use something you say for your benefit. They will only use what you say to gather evidence against you.
Pede: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
Not true. Say things that seem dark and drafted in endless pain and torment. They include that stuff and it is immaterial.
I’m happy to hear she said that. I looked into going, checked transp and lodging, but couldn’t due to work. I wanted to see my President speak and be counted in the crowd. I would have walked to the Capitol (outside) but once I saw what was happening I wouldn’t have stayed.
For that I could now get fired, blacklisted, and visited by the FBI? What country is this again?
China lite
Why exercise your rights when you can just get on your knees for the FBI, it's easier that way.
People died for the rights you threw away so casually. Food for thought.
Did they mention anything else? Perhaps you look similar to someone they are specifically looking for I can't imagine they are investigating every person that might have been in DC. I know they are bored but that's a tremendous amount of wasted energy.
Knock knock: Who is it?, it’s the police and we’d like to talk to you...
How many of you are there?
3 of us....
Hey that’s great, go talk to each other, I’m on the phone with my legal defense.
Thanks, wasn't trying to imply sovereign citizen bullshit is the way to go but just curious about the repercussions later when you've admitted to having planned to attend something that later turned into a cluster fuck and then further convinced them you should go on some kind of list even if you ended up not going. Just seems like not saying anything at all, even if you have to call a lawyer, would be the safer long-term choice. Hell, they're probly going to put you on a list one way or another.
And that's not even accounting for the "oh, hey, is that your heroin I just dropped on your floor?"
Orders require authority.
You think you're getting a court date?!
The proper, behind a closed door answer to that FBI knock is as follows:
"If you nor a judge has an active case against me, like I tell everyone that wastes my time—kindly fuck off, sir."
Worked twice on me with random firearm inspections after the neighbors reported shots fired, when it was legit just heavier tool work in my garage. Until they have actual business with you they have no power over you and you don't need to make time for them at all.
they can detain you for a while
This is incorrect advise. You should NEVER say a fucking word to the cunts in the FBI. They tried to frame a 4 star general for Christ sake. If the FBI shows up, you ask if they have a warrant. If not, they are trespassing and need to get the fuck out.
Fuck, the FBI needs to fire you if this is the best you can shill this shit
No. Incorrect. You tell them to get a warrant and fuck off. You can be polite and tell them to speak to your lawyer if you have one, but do not talk to them...AT ALL
DONT TALK TO COPS.
DONT LIE TO THEM. DONT REFUSE TO IDENTITY YOURSELF. BUT DONT TALK TO THEM.
Never talk to the FBI without a lawyer present. I would have asked them to leave the premises. FBI is the new KGB.
Why did you show them surveillance of you at work? They need to prove YOU did anything wrong, not the other way around.
I have heart issues and a disease, stress will kill me. I want them to leave me alone.
It's a shame this is what it's come to. We have to prove our innocence.
Yea that worked out great for Flynn huh?
refusing to speak to them would had been less stressful
You and I are very alike, the stress and heart issues at my age and my heart health would have killed me on the drive to DC. You make them provide you did anything wrong by shutting up and while they are gone, you call around for Attorney/Lawyers that will represent you.
THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT.
W e should all make a post saying we were at the capitol. See them come after all of us.
We all were.
consider me at the Capitol whenever it's politically convenient
p.s. my front door has this weird issue where the doorbell doesn't work unless there's a large amount of cookies nearby
Is this a Corky Romano reference?
I went there and broke shit!
The correct answer was, "I DO NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS."
https://youtu.be/sgWHrkDX35o
Gold advice.
It’s plain and simple communism. Government police, making lists of political opponents, knocking on your door for political wrong think.
You did good pede. Your are allowed to refuse to answer their questions, but they will make your life HELL if you demand a warrant. Oh they’ll comme back with one. At 4am, to turn your house upside down. You’ll speak through a lawyer and spend tens of thousands to have the case dropped.
You handled it good. And you are correct on all fronts. This is a communist takeover. They arrested Trump Supporter and founder of Cowboys for Trump. Arrested and CHARGED for STANDING on the Capitol steps. No violence. Just standing. Trump supporters are getting arrested for non-violence and Facebook posts. While Biden arsonists, looters and assaulters go free.
Wait, so someone from social media turned you in to the FBI, the FBI interviewed you and you weren't even in the Capitol on January 6th?
The FBI really have turned into the Stasi.
They show up and get you to say something that lets them get a search warrant. That opens up many other potential avenues for pressure if they find any evidence of a crime. Maybe you have illegal fly fishing lures from some federally protected bird feathers. They spin this into leverage so they can murder a woman and child like they did to the Weaver family.
Would not be surprised if google maps collected data on everyone's phones to know who was there
If you brought your phone, you're an idiot. Also, being there without your face covered was also stupid.
Cowards hide their face.
That's what the criminals said when robbing the store. Then they ended up in jail.
We're technically not criminals and all that, but this crooked system is going to treat us as criminals. Their pets literally get away with murder while we are prosecuted for non-crimes.
most of the boomer tradcons there were idiots
They didn't need to with those fake cell phone towers the FBI put up.
I don't know how many posts I saw telling people to mask up and put phones in faraday bags and zero idiots listened.
Since when is going to a protest illegal? I don't get it.
Since it became time to fight.
Its not illegal to travel in your own country.
People should take a moment to reflect on what they say, especially going forward. Big Brother is here and a lot of people are likely being looked into already for things they have said in anger or frustration. They want to make terrorists out of us. They've likely posted a lot of inflammatory things themselves to entrap people. Don't be stupid.
So, Opi33...what the hell did the FBI actually say when they visited your business? Your post is interesting, but it clearly lacks any details about the encounter. Can you enlighten the rest of us? What did they say when they announced their visit? What was their stated purpose?
I said they told me someone "tipped them off that i was going to d.c." and they were just following up. I was posting on instagram the usual stuff nothing that warrants the fucking fbi visiting.
lol... When are you people going to learn.
The irony is I have legitimate information about several rapes and a murder and the NYPD doesn’t give a shit enough to investigate— because it involves one of their own.
This is the world we live in.
They know if you went or not. They have access to plane tickets, train tickets, cell data, car license plate scanners, facial recognition. They went to intimidate you.
It is often easier to just get someone to say something that will let them get a warrant. The technology exists, but for an individual agent the old school techniques are still reliable.
Sorry, not good enough. I'm trying to be nice, but you're not giving us any reason to believe you. What did they say when they came in the door, "we were tipped off that you went to DC, what do you have to say about that"? I don't care really about what you may have posted on Insta-shit, I'm interested in validating that the FBI actually visited you and what they had to say - that's all. Should be easy, when a person tells the truth there is no story to remember.
Yeah I don’t vet how this dude went from that particular opener... to “pulling up weeks old surveillance footage of themselves” lol
>sus
It's obv. Fucking gullible fools.
don't talk to the FBI if they come to you. Learn these words. "I have nothing to say."
Whatever they say.. whatever they do.. "I have nothing to say."
If you tell them you went to the bathroom at 5 minutes after 1 and they find a camera of you going into the bathroom 3 minutes before 1.. they will prosecute you for lying to them. While you have no idea if they are telling you lies which they are allowed to do.
"I have nothing to say."
Why the fuck do you need to prove you weren’t there. Shouldn’t those stupid fucks have to prove you were? and who reported you? don’t you have a right to face your accuser?
Is visiting DC a Misdemeanor or a Felony in your state?
LOL
The Gestapo will probably twist your response to their statement (about the cop letting protesters into the building) into a "process crime".
Don't worry the Gestapo will soon be asking all of us to show us zee papers. As is usually the case I think this will get a lot worse before it gets better
Friend of mine got contacted by the FBI. They went to her work
Shame and intimidation. They could call, arrange something convenient, meet you at home.... Or they could come up to your boss and say "We're the FBI, We need to talk to RizzlieDoodad."
Dont ever talk to them. Ask them if they have a warrant. If not, tell them to fuck off
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not... have you not been paying attention?
I guess it's kind of late in this case, but for everyone else:
Do NOT speak with the cops. Invoke your right not to self-incriminate. Lawyer up, especially if you do believe that they have room to manufacture dirt on you (e.g. you were at a rally or you've spoken with unsympathetic people about doing so).
Why were you asking them questions? Why were you talking to them at all? How many fucking times do you idiots need to hear this: "Don't talk to police. At all. Ever. Not in their capacity as law enforcement, not as customers in your store, not as congregants in your church. Never. Under no circumstances will talking to police make your life better."
Hopefully you insisted on having legal counsel when they "informally interviewed" you. Remember what they did to General Flynn?
They promised him it was an "informal discussion" and proceeded to ruin his life.
Although I wouldn’t have talked to them let alone showed them a video I do appreciate your posting this.
It’s chilling scary and makes me very angry they would have time for this but ignore the true antifa blm arsonist murderous fraudulent terrorists.
I hope you greeted them with, "Hi Fag Bois."
They know if you went or not. They have access to plane tickets, train tickets, cell data, car license plate scanners, facial recognition. They went to intimidate you.
Are they investigating all protestors? What makes OP worthy of a gestapo visit?
Why did you talk to them without a Lawyer?
STOP! The only request that should have been made is to talk to your lawyer, and begin recording at that instant.
No need for a lawyer, they weren't arresting or charging him with anything. All you say is "I don't have to answer your questions, get off my property." If they arrest you, then yes, get a lawyer, do not speak to them.
Now you need to start paying a lawyer. Mission accomplished.
Now if you voted for Trump, you need to waste money on a lawyer, because the FBI thinks you're a criminal.
Why did you talk to them? Did they have a warrant to enter the business? If not, ask them to leave and DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE.
You should check in with your lawyer anyways. They are probably gone for good, but who knows. Next they may want to know about your friends that may have gone.
What "crime" were they investigating? Exercising your first amendment right to protest?
Should have just yelled "Black Power!" and taken a knee.
You don’t have to prove you weren’t at DC. They have to prove you were there. Don’t talk to them. They obviously didn’t have shit.
u/Opi33, did they come with to you with evidence that you went?
Did they come to you with an arrest warrant?
They were looking for a way to find out information about other people. Perhaps they have a thin case against most of whom they have arrested.
You don’t have to exonerate yourself to the FBI. They I have to prove themselves to you.
Do say anything. Do not moon them as they will get ZONKS and then you can call them FAGS !!!
Bro. Shouldn't have shown them anything or spoken to them. Tell them fuck off and get a lawyer.
If you let them go after the next guy, you failed your duty.