If you think "saving" the country is an option... oh boy. There is nothing to save. You'd have to tear the government apart anyways. Congress, CIA, FBI, NSA, TSA, ATF, along with tons of unconstitutional laws and somehow deal with judges who abhor keeping their oath to it.
There is no reason people should be united in a country solely based on geography and history. It's foolish to think that'll work. The part that irritates me is if they want to live in a place with no right to guns (in reality it's no right to defend yourself) and no free speech there are plenty of options for them around the globe.
The problem with things like secession is that it’s giving them more ground. If the leftists are allowed control over most of the US, they’re not going to just settle for that.
The problem with things like secession is that it’s giving them more ground.
Giving who more ground? The elites?? Not at all. They dominate every institution, every government agency, have both political parties working for them, every major company, every major news outlet, every government alphabet agency, the presidency, the House, and the Senate. It'll make others realize this union makes no sense anymore and there's no reason to uphold it.
How would telling them to fuck off give them more ground? I'm not saying threaten to separate or separate and then go back together if they concede things. No. No point in 2 completely ideologically different populations taking turns putting rules (or taking rules away) that the other doesn't agree on. It's a shame to split the US instead of telling them to go fuck themselves and live in any 1 of the other 200+ countries in the world, but the damage is done and it's way too polarized to even bother with unity. The US is a collection of states anyways that are all perfectly capable of existing without a federal union.
All it takes is a few states. The establishment would have the leftists flip and pretend like they're Abraham Lincoln 2.0, but who cares when they're already talking about citizen spies, re-education camps, tyrannical censorship... who cares what they think at this point.
There is 1 thing, but in 2 different ways.
Secession/Separation.
Either peacefully or violently.
If you think "saving" the country is an option... oh boy. There is nothing to save. You'd have to tear the government apart anyways. Congress, CIA, FBI, NSA, TSA, ATF, along with tons of unconstitutional laws and somehow deal with judges who abhor keeping their oath to it.
There is no reason people should be united in a country solely based on geography and history. It's foolish to think that'll work. The part that irritates me is if they want to live in a place with no right to guns (in reality it's no right to defend yourself) and no free speech there are plenty of options for them around the globe.
The problem with things like secession is that it’s giving them more ground. If the leftists are allowed control over most of the US, they’re not going to just settle for that.
Giving who more ground? The elites?? Not at all. They dominate every institution, every government agency, have both political parties working for them, every major company, every major news outlet, every government alphabet agency, the presidency, the House, and the Senate. It'll make others realize this union makes no sense anymore and there's no reason to uphold it.
How would telling them to fuck off give them more ground? I'm not saying threaten to separate or separate and then go back together if they concede things. No. No point in 2 completely ideologically different populations taking turns putting rules (or taking rules away) that the other doesn't agree on. It's a shame to split the US instead of telling them to go fuck themselves and live in any 1 of the other 200+ countries in the world, but the damage is done and it's way too polarized to even bother with unity. The US is a collection of states anyways that are all perfectly capable of existing without a federal union.
All it takes is a few states. The establishment would have the leftists flip and pretend like they're Abraham Lincoln 2.0, but who cares when they're already talking about citizen spies, re-education camps, tyrannical censorship... who cares what they think at this point.