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EtTuRINOs 1 point ago +1 / -0

The problem with things like secession is that it’s giving them more ground.

Giving who more ground? The elites?? Not at all. They dominate every institution, every government agency, have both political parties working for them, every major company, every major news outlet, every government alphabet agency, the presidency, the House, and the Senate. It'll make others realize this union makes no sense anymore and there's no reason to uphold it.

How would telling them to fuck off give them more ground? I'm not saying threaten to separate or separate and then go back together if they concede things. No. No point in 2 completely ideologically different populations taking turns putting rules (or taking rules away) that the other doesn't agree on. It's a shame to split the US instead of telling them to go fuck themselves and live in any 1 of the other 200+ countries in the world, but the damage is done and it's way too polarized to even bother with unity. The US is a collection of states anyways that are all perfectly capable of existing without a federal union.

All it takes is a few states. The establishment would have the leftists flip and pretend like they're Abraham Lincoln 2.0, but who cares when they're already talking about citizen spies, re-education camps, tyrannical censorship... who cares what they think at this point.