I get all this, but every time society degenerates we blame it on communism, when if we actually look at China, they’re nowhere near as degenerate as us
I would say blaming degeneracy on communism is misguided. Communism winds up being very strict, uniform and clean cut in the end on the outside and extreme poverty and suffering on the inside. Degeneracy I'd attribute entirely to decadence or the demoralization process.
There is one misnomer going on and it's calling China communist. It's actually much similar to the fascism of Nazi Germany because it has on it's surface a hybrid free-market. The communist element would be the government ultimately having the final say and control of all businesses. It isn't a pure communism like we saw in Russia but instead much more of totalitarian fascism. For accuracy purposes I would look at modern China as close in structure, government and sentiment to nazi Germany.
How do you personally differentiate fascism with communism? I always thought of fascism as kind of economically centre but socially far right. Now I’m realizing that communism is far left economically, but socially... is it even? In practice it has always been extremely conservative socially. It’s a difficult one to wrap the head around.
And what exactly do you mean by the ‘demoralization process’?
It becomes muddy and you'd need someone more of a historian than me. I'd say Fascism is more flexible and can encompass a number of systems. For example a utopian ideal of communism would not be fascist at all, albeit unachievable. Fascism would be any system that feels like a dictator, that silences opposition forcibly and controls the economy and people's lives. Communism is a bit more of a romanticized idea of not having private property and sharing all resources, it just winds up not working well at all with human nature and getting dominated by dictators naturally.
I'm not sure socially, the community is sort of governing your lives on a property level but also could dictate your time in how you spend it working or what kind of job you do. I would say it is left on all fronts. It would be more not as oppressive if you had like 10 hippies on a commune all just voting what to do with things but no one actually owns anything but when you apply it coldly to a society it becomes much more oppresive.
It is hard to wrap around the fine points between them and ultimately the names are broad as any of these different nations discussed would have more detailed and specific laws that are each on the spectrum of more or less government interference or freedom.
China right now would feel similar to the US in terms of our consumer lives so it is capitalistic in a hybrid sense. The government however has last say in everything and can control any business they want, they can shut down opposition, disapear and silence people etc. and deploy the social credit score and deperson people with it.
Demoralization process would be what i described in my first post. Strategic manipulation of a society to promote bad and destructive ideas to make the society collapse from within.
I get all this, but every time society degenerates we blame it on communism, when if we actually look at China, they’re nowhere near as degenerate as us
I would say blaming degeneracy on communism is misguided. Communism winds up being very strict, uniform and clean cut in the end on the outside and extreme poverty and suffering on the inside. Degeneracy I'd attribute entirely to decadence or the demoralization process.
There is one misnomer going on and it's calling China communist. It's actually much similar to the fascism of Nazi Germany because it has on it's surface a hybrid free-market. The communist element would be the government ultimately having the final say and control of all businesses. It isn't a pure communism like we saw in Russia but instead much more of totalitarian fascism. For accuracy purposes I would look at modern China as close in structure, government and sentiment to nazi Germany.
How do you personally differentiate fascism with communism? I always thought of fascism as kind of economically centre but socially far right. Now I’m realizing that communism is far left economically, but socially... is it even? In practice it has always been extremely conservative socially. It’s a difficult one to wrap the head around.
And what exactly do you mean by the ‘demoralization process’?
It becomes muddy and you'd need someone more of a historian than me. I'd say Fascism is more flexible and can encompass a number of systems. For example a utopian ideal of communism would not be fascist at all, albeit unachievable. Fascism would be any system that feels like a dictator, that silences opposition forcibly and controls the economy and people's lives. Communism is a bit more of a romanticized idea of not having private property and sharing all resources, it just winds up not working well at all with human nature and getting dominated by dictators naturally.
I'm not sure socially, the community is sort of governing your lives on a property level but also could dictate your time in how you spend it working or what kind of job you do. I would say it is left on all fronts. It would be more not as oppressive if you had like 10 hippies on a commune all just voting what to do with things but no one actually owns anything but when you apply it coldly to a society it becomes much more oppresive.
It is hard to wrap around the fine points between them and ultimately the names are broad as any of these different nations discussed would have more detailed and specific laws that are each on the spectrum of more or less government interference or freedom.
China right now would feel similar to the US in terms of our consumer lives so it is capitalistic in a hybrid sense. The government however has last say in everything and can control any business they want, they can shut down opposition, disapear and silence people etc. and deploy the social credit score and deperson people with it.
Demoralization process would be what i described in my first post. Strategic manipulation of a society to promote bad and destructive ideas to make the society collapse from within.