As we feared, the owner of the old domain has already betrayed the community and redirected the domain. After the redirect propagates, hundreds of thousands of loyal patriots may not know where to find home!
Spread the word that we've moved! Gab, Twitter, etc! Here's an example (Also, new Gab account for the new domain name):
https://gab.com/PatriotsDotWin/posts/105594470022099271
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A lot of concerns have actually been answered by more technically savy users in the comments,
No, they said if you were logged out, that was bad. And that the new site would likely blindly accept the first password provided. I was not logged out. My browser does not remember passwords, so it could not have logged me back in. Or... It's all bullshit and it's been compromised for a while already. Probably back when that 'hold the line' lie started.
the cookie is still valid, which means that the front end hosts are the same, the back end db is the same. URL may be different, but everything else is the same. Even the ssl cert is the same.
Yep. The fact the domain changed and SSL didn't freak out is a good thing. To every pede that doesn't know what that means... it means a ton of extremely annoying extra measures on your computer designed to warn you if something's amiss, aren't ringing. And trust me, they got super annoying the past 2 years. So I feel safe. The token is still valid, the cert is good, AND the domain name changed... even the most secure site will freak out if you change a domain name, unless you've set up a line of trust. Well it looks like they setup a line of trust. So there.
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Dusted off the old poorly underused, but verified, thedonaldreddit Gab account for additional verification:
https://gab.com/thedonaldreddit/posts/105595244151890950
Edit- As far as media posts go, it's fixed for new posts, being worked on for old ones.
Addressed situation here: https://patriots.win/p/11SJoRs6Iz/x/c/4Dvm6MJFE6J
To all the fags spinning the conspiracy theory that this site is now a "FBI Honeypot".... you sound like idiots.
Even if it was a "FBI Honeypot" .... who the fuck cares? We are not doing anything illegal.
Everything aside, if you don't think the FBI knows who each of is by now you are delusional.
Under the Biden administration, calling someone a faggot is a hate crime. Better safe than sorry.
Me: Not caring.
FBI and Biden are faggots
Biden is a faggot.
Faggot
just about every post ive ever made includes the word faggot but its cool i’m an LGBT ally or seomthing
This. 3 letter agencies have so much technical ability it is insane. The only way to avoid them is to completely be off-line, or have very strict protocols (which most normal people wouldn’t do). If the FBI, etc want to arrest me for being conservative then that’s a hill I am willing to fight (and die) on.
They have all that technical ability thanks to our tax dollars. We're paying them to hunt us, and to hunt us for doing nothing wrong. At lease if the constitution still has legal force. If they are no longer honoring specific amendments, then the whole thing is cashed, and they are going to have a very difficult time running this country.
they have so much technical ability that they still have ZERO info on the Vegas shooter and did nothing to stop the most recent bomber. They are losers
This new domaine is in good hands. The old one was not.
It’s a smart move. Our TopMods are solid as fuck. The old mod played himself.
The branding barely changed, front page is identical. Trump is the man. Stop crying.
I saw the interview it was weird as fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJCugtAd6pg&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=AdamcastIRL
We got Doggos, the prog genius! That's definitely the right side <3 🐶
Some of those hit pieces were absolutely vicious (and of course totally misrepresented the nature of the site). I guess it generated a lot of heat in some people's minds. Given the obvious witch hunt atmosphere of the moment, and the seeming willingness on the part of three letter agencies to kill people to hide their plots, I don't really blame people for being paranoid. But dude didn't have to throw us under the buss. Those articles were so inaccurate.
This pede deep states!
Spez: in reference to your comment about the feds knowing who every one of us are. You hit the nail on the head.
Quoting to highlight. Everyone needs to understand this.
It is amazing that so many people think they are truly anonymous on the internet.
Big Tech knows exactly who each and every person is on the net, and to think that they don't willingly share this info with any the three-letter agencies is ludicrous / ignorant.
takes time to cover all secondary and tertiary links.
u/Doggos , do we own TheDonald.XYZ?
What happened to the Donald.space?
Tried that earlier. I assume Jody ownes that. I feel like the pro Q people dominated the conversation over the last few months, but to throw everyone under the bus and change the domain is unexcusable. I am trying to be understanding, but he basically did to us what amazon did to Parler because he didn't want to be called out in the fake news.
That's how I found/rerouted to this site, seems to work but not sure about ownership. Just glad it worked!
TD.XYZ got me here. Haven't tried the other backup site.
That’s what got me here too
I’m not a geek with computers but why not use .xyz, or .one? Seems kinda suspicious.
Who the fuck even pays for the hosting here? This has never been answered.
How much would hosting a comparable site of this size cost per month? That would give us a clue as to who could be paying for it.
Thousands of dollars on the low end just for hosting, plus all of the dev effort, PM, etc.
Is it plausible that Trump, himself, is a private anonymous donor? Is it a small group of private anonymous donors? Something more ominous?
True. I thought it was from some random PAC. Or a Bannon maybe DTJ pet project.
Not even close. It is probably closer to 300-1000 a year.
former owner mentioned costs in the video $600 mentioned can't remember if per month or annum
A domains are pretty cheap. Maybe $30 per year, and around $180 for the certificates. Hosting depends on platform and services. This site has way more traffic then anything I have ever done.
I thought I remember Doggos saying the mods paid/pay for all this themselves and have repeatedly refused donations. I can't link to a source though, it's just what I remember.
Yes the modss pay for it themselves and will not accept donations because it opens the door for someone to control the site by threatening the funding.
Thanks for clarification!
If they accept donations they will be showing us who owns the site.
Not if they accept cryptocurrency.
I want to know. I dont appreciate anything less than full transparency.
I have no idea what happened, only that there was some disagreement and the original domain owner claimed a foreign individual has control of the site and mod team.
The name is fine with me but this is all vwry unsettling. Can we have some more involved answers pleae?
Original domain owner on adamcastirl https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SJCugtAd6pg
Just don't post anything stupid and (more or less) it doesn't matter. Anyone who wants can see everything. Federal LEO can certainly access PM's, etc. Nobody is hiding shit from .GOV Hackers.
Fact of the matter is that NSA Whistleblower William Binney pointed out in the early 2000's that the central internet hubs run by ATT&T and the like had splitters that funneled ALL online communications to gargantuan NSA underground server facilities.
Not saying I don't care, but unless you are sending communications directly, person to person, with the HIGHEST level of open-source encryption, ZERO communications are truly secure. Nobody realized for years that many of the old trusted encryption apps were compromised by default. Hell, they were able to digitally fingerprint TOR communications over ten years ago.
Binney had an AMA here. Gov is overrun with so much information they can't use any of it. They have everything yes, but it still takes a human to do anything with it. The notion that each of us here is so damn important they devote the resources to even know who we are already is laughable.
Now, under the current administration would they prioritize that more highly? Sure. Wastefulness is what they're all about.
What difference at this point does it make? Fuck the feds, come and get me.
Dude, that is unfindable tru search on youtube
u/doggos
You're not making sense. You're asking to dox people who are already seen as the enemy by those who now run the Country.
Also the guy in the video is doxxed by anybody who wants to, which is weird af.
Yes it has.. many times... The original core group of mods pay for that of their own pockets.
I guess someone's whos got a little bit of money and believes in free speech.
They if I remember correctly said they can't reveal it because then they run the risk of getting cut off from financial resources
And now they have to change the name or run the risk of getting cut off from financial resources.
What must they do next or run the risk of getting cut off from financial resources?
None of that is true. Read the thread.
You are very confused. I don't mean that in a mean way. Maybe you aren't very technical. Everything is fine. The mod who had the domain name we were using cucked out. The site is otherwise unchanged and he is out of the picture.
To the top you go!
Also why would the old owner betray us like this now? None of this sounds right. If he's afraid, he can either handover OR leave the current redirect to this site alone.
You don't need to be on the site to redirect a domain, that can all be done by someone who has never loaded this site into a browser.
DNS and domains and all of that operate in a completely different space as the actual site.
How does all this redirecting work? Redirect wars begun, they have? Why would I consistently be redirected to patriots.win and nowhere else?
In the WSJ article it seems they discovered who owned the domain.. I guess he got under tremendous pressure.
Imagine having your name linked to this site. You probably get offered big amounts of money to literally sell out, threatened by sjw lawyers or have your family harassed. Or most likely, all of them at once.
I believe you meant truinnerashuvaduprezure.
I mean, he was recently on AdamCast IRL, so it's not exactly secret or like WSJ did any investigative work
I think it was discovered before that by some far leftist coder tech type. I remember reading his boast somewhere.
I've seen rumor that the owner of the site was getting scared and wanting to implement a lot of rules censoring perfectly legitimate topics of discussion... I'm not sure if that's true, but I've seen it floating around many times.
Yeah I guess the WSJ article was right about that part. Sounds like the owner cucked out hard.
You mean epik? They are the dns provider
Rofl, its the same shit since the reddit days. There's always been a rogue mod or two. Mods need to be completely transparent about this and start disclosing some info imo.
I think he was just on Adamcast IRL the other day (the owner of the former domain name) — I actually had it on, but it was while I was working so I wasn't really paying attention tbh
It will take a few hours for the old domain to stop working, once the DNS propagates the redirect won't work
DNS record is set to 300 seconds, I don't see that it's redirected yet.
Actually SOA is coming and going, it's definitely in transition.
The redirect will last for awhile until any further changes propagate outward.
For all we know this is a lovers quarrel or the site was mirrored and cut off by a hostile party. We do not have any understanding of custody and there is no public information on who has financial control of this product. There is a fear of "doxxing" to consider however at some point someone needs to be known, vetted, and tied to the Trump movement.
This. When exactly are we going to learn that blindly trusting that freedom on the net will be upheld doesn't ever pan out?
Well, we do have an illegitimate government that controls all the means of information/communication to the public. The same group is sending a constant stream of threats to the citizenry should they attempt to even disagree with them online. Which, apparently, is ineffective as the public backlash has been hilarious!
So now is a good time to ask for extraordinary measures to protect confidence.
The betrayal is as simple as not turning control of the domain over. This is stated simply.
I can assure you he hasn’t exactly gone dark 🙄
Your assurance has failed me. You are not a mod. For all we know, you know absolutely nothing and are spreading FUD.
Prove it or shut up
the dude did a big livestream and a national news article :P
Guy literally was on Adam cast a day or 2 ago
Regarding 7] What is being done to stop real FBI agents / Malicious agents using this platform to create unrest whilst using it as an escape goat? Outside of the normal moderation of removing glowy posts and banning them, not much else can be done.
Why not have like a quarntine area where posts made by handshakers are sent automatically until they are approved (by upvotes) by the community? Also may I suggest that users with high karma (you decide the threshold based on stats) can send post immediately to quarantine.
I second this. Even a group for individuals over a certain karma threshold that can be easily identified with the ability to approve posts from "new users" to help the mods with the load.
This does sound like a good idea but there would need to be a post review to make sure that there aren’t outside actors creating accounts, getting easy karma with “<—— this many pedes hate Biden” and then using the status to censor real information which needs to get out. Perhaps flagged posts are hidden until approved by five randomly selected people with high karma can also review and the majority wins?
I don't like that. I hated reddit because I couldn't post anything because I didn't have karma, but my account was 5 years old. I also couldn't get karma because I wasn't able to post on threads I was passionate about and I wasn't gay enough to farm karma to post on them. Don't be a lib and take away peoples voices..
A possible idea.. handshakes accounts post ...1-5 deports locks the account and hides the post and all further posts pending a moderator (which you would plead your case (to lessen the amount mods will have to review( because most people that don't care about the thread won't fill out a rebuttle))) then the mod can decide to allow or permanently ban. Now you can use the handshake symbol as a karma hurdle ( 1000 karma to take off your handshake icon) at which you require more deports to face the mods (10 deports on a single post) and have another icon for 10,000 karma making it even harder to silence you (15 deports) that way it makes it harder for bots to make your thread ghost and also you can reward your members with dumb ass icons to increase discussions and debates. We can also have people with higher levels be able to see ghosted posts and vote (5 votes unhides the ghosted post) that way the mods don't have to work as much and if it gets deported again then a mod has to deal with it. We can also choose to deport obvious karma farmers to not mess with the way things are ran.This is kinda off the top of my head feel free to expand ( sorry if its a hard read im super dyslexic)
I would never have posted or stayed on the site if new users were treated like shit. That is some reddit level crap.
Just need to ban all the racist shit that has no place here. There is a reason I joined and left the discord channel long before it was banned. It was full of racist edgy children. Basically 4chan.
Hey, Um.... Didn't this exact thing happen like a month's or two ago?
Only when that happened, they clearly still had the backend database because my username with an incorrect password didn't work. I was only able to log in after a few attempts when I finally remembered my password.
A fake site would have accepted any password I gave it since they wouldn't have had the backend data.
The Great Password Forgettening is simultaneously proof of the system's validity, and the tragic loss of too many good accounts...
I was never able to remember my password.
yupp
Having done stuff dealing with login info before.... I have a few bits of info for non-techies reading this post...
it's very poor practice to actually store a plain text copy of the password. What is usually done is to take a hash value of a server specific value (set in configs or other handy spot) and the hash value. When someone logs in, the server will accept their plain text password (hopefully over SSL) and recalculate the hashed value. It will then compare the 2 hashes to see if they match up.
Hashes are a one way function. You should not be able to take the hash and then calculate the inputs to it.
Cookies can save your session, allowing future access without logging back in... until they expire or the host is identified as something else. The reason you need to log back in for reason #2 should set off a red flag... big red flag.... almost CHINA red flag.
If your servers were seized, they would have your database as well, and passwords would work. I would suggest a dead hand type mechanism. Something buried in the code, such that if everything was seized, and you were put under a gag order not to say anything, a ticking clock would fire off and shut it down or something. You wouldn't be violating anything, since they took control of what was there.
tools like Norton Ghost can be run to make exact duplicates of the hard drive storing the data. I REALLY hope they used disc encryption as well so that it's encrypted while powered down. Would stop any sort of malarkey with taking the drive and ghosting it.
Just curious, didn't faggotmod notice these protective measures as they were announced? All the backup domains, the warning about being asked to log back in, etc? Was he oblivious to the fact that you all were talking about him? If not, why do the redirect now and not whenever he left?
From what I've read elsewhere, the rogue dude did 0 work. He just registered the domain. May not have even understood the point of those posts if he doesn't understand the technical side of things.
He hasn't redirected it yet, he's going to probably this week, so they're still leveraging it to redirect people here before he does, a URL is just an identifier, he can own the domain but if he doesn't have access to the servers he can't do anything with it, so even if he knew they were talking about him he will still have to go through the process of redirecting the domain, and even if he knew the warning about being asked to log back in, he can't do anything with that, the only way to spoof that would be to recreate the UI of the site and also have access to the DB where usernames and passwords are stored or recreate the DB with the usernames, passwords, comments, posts, updoots, saves etc (which would be impossible without having access to the current DB where that is all stored, which he doesn't as far as I understand)
I'm hoping this is just informal wording, but please tell me this site is not actually saving users' passwords.
Of course it is. That's why when you log in, the website doesn't say DeRFffff ??????? 🤤🤪
The way passwords are stored is typically something called salt and hash. It's essentially a one way ticket: when you type your password, it turns it into a jumbled mess, and that's what's saved. You can't turn that jumbled mess back into your password, but you can check to see if the jumbled mess you just sent is the same as the one stored in the database.
What they can do is figure out the salt and hash, and then they can make a table of popular passwords. That's why password strength is important.
you mean "Password" isn't a good password? How about "incorrect" so if I forget it, the computer says "Your password is incorrect" and reminds me?!?!
Well, no. No serious website stores passwords.
I know how salting and hashing works. The point is that it's very much not the same as storing passwords (in plaintext), which is what the comment I responded to seemed to imply was being done.