I don't think Trump wanted to break up the country or deal with the incredible fallout that would have come with it. It was never going to be a reasonable measure to push the military into this, not without a full exposure of the fraud to the people in a large scale way. SCOTUS really fucked us all.
I explained it to my wife like this: being fat is hard, being fit is hard, choose your hard. In relation to our current situation: causing a major rift (with possible civil war) in our society in order to reorganize our government to represent the will of the people is hard, living under authoritarian, globalist, identitarian government is not only hard, but also antithetical to our shared morals and the American way of life. It shouldn't have even been a difficult decision.
Especially when you consider there are literally millions of people who want the same thing. They were (and still are) willing to fight for it. They just needed a leader to say “go”. Unfortunately Trump was not that leader.
That Leader will Rise. Trump didnt step into office thinking he would lead a legit revolution with the army he was a businessman who wanted to bring back American prosperity.
He needed to lose, to expose the truth, and perhaps people take action. Otherwise people would have kept seeing him as some Superman that would handle it for us.
Except when you are working out to stop being fat there's not some weird Iraqis dumbasses and a freaking North Korean wacko waiting to nuke your ass while you deal with a Civil War.
It is very important to remember, the Dems ALWAYS fuck it up in the end and start infighting.
This, combined with an eventually slip on the cheating is inevitable. It is a matter of how much damage they can do in the meantime, and if we can organize to take over again but with a real MAGA team, not just one solo man.
Except the in-fighting will be between old guard dems that want to chest the American people out of their money and maintain the status quo and new dems that are full blown communists that actually believe in the ideology and are young enough to understand modern influencing of the people.
Which side do you think will win over the next decade?
No, it wouldn't be "nasty", "nasty" would be awesome…it would be inevitable doom. A Civil War in the US right now would invite WWIII and nuclear attacks when the acting president gets compromised by the other side.
Thats such BS. I am not bashing Trump at all, but this "well it would be bad or messy" argument is BS. The nation was handed to an usurper plain and simple, and everyone involved, good or bad, will have to live with that choice and the consequences that come with it for the rest of their lives. If we were a nation that had stayed isolationist, then I would share you sentiment, but we proudly send our troops to war constantly, under BS pretexts and are told we must support it or we arnt Patriotic. We only have the luxury of making these platitudinous cop out statements because we have not yet fully savored the fruits of the tyrants labor.
The presidential election is a shared concern of all the states because the president affects all of them. The SCOTUS rational for evading the case was entirely political. They are the law now so they can justify it with whatever legalese they want though.
On the 7th the joint chiefs sent a message to all personnel condemning the events of the 6th. They said that biden was president elect, and that anyone participating in or supporting action to foment a different outcome was willfully engaging in insurrection. Lots of shaming language and overt threats in the message.
The military brass is not loyal to anyone but the war machine. Little mid level troops like me have no ability to do anything besides wait for the inevitable loyalty tests, oaths, and orders that are not congruent with our original oath. When those come, our only option will be to sacrifice our income, retirement, freedom and future to stand for our oath and our morals. Those of us who can't allow ourselves to get in line to participate in the destruction of the republic will simply be excised. It has already begun.
The military is not going to get involved on our side. Though they will overwhelmingly follow orders from the globalist overlords and stomp on the rights of American citizens in the name of combating terrorism.
Probably because of the lousy appointments at all levels he was able to get thru the Mitch McConnell-controlled Senate. Sessions and Barr are the poster children on that, but don't think they were the end of it.
From personal experience, they do return from ILE seemingly lobotomized. ILE is the Army version, but all branches have it to prepare jr officers to become sr officers. It probably sounds like hyperbole, but ask any jr officer about field grades...
The politico article this is referring to is the Biden admin reflecting back to December when the pentagon wasn't sharing intelligence briefs with the transition team. Doesn't mean they aren't cooperating with him now.
Article literally says “One area where the Biden team said the department has been cooperative was in security surrounding the inauguration, primarily because the Pentagon’s role in the effort has been led by the military side.”
It is vital that election fraud be proven in court. No ruling - no "evidence". Its all there, but case needs to be accepted, evidence presented, argued and decided. Swing states had no counter argument but they certified anyway. All legal remedies have not been exhausted before military can even think about intervention. It has to be a "lawful" order.
Reminder that there are shills on this website that were actually arguing in favor that anyone on our side with any position in the military should quit or that anyone considering joining shouldnt.
Holding institutional power is the only thing that matters, anyone telling you not to go for it or to give it up is a clear enemy.
Anyone willing to suck up to and do the things that would be necessary to advance up through the power structure of an enemy-controlled organization is a clear enemy.
So as you're acting the gray-man, ratting out patriots and strenuously advancing the marxist agenda in order to get that promotion from your commie management, hopefully you'll find some way to live with yourself.
I don't know what the answer is, but this is my gut reaction to your statement. I don't think it's so clear cut either way, and I don't know that there are any good options once the left is in power.
The answer is really fucking simple, you obtain institutional power and use that power to help friends and punish enemies. Thats it, thats how this has always worked throughout human history, no matter what cause or ideology.
Even in the American Revolution there were secret shadow governments in the form of the Committee of Correspondence with the help of secret illuminati brotherhoods with well connected and powerful locals in The Sons of Liberty and they had the loyalty of local commanders of the state militias. Or look at the communist in Russia, they played into the institutions of the soviets and had the support of workers unions and an international communist network of support and supplies and they were all fighting a civil war for direct control of institutional state power.
I dont know how much more bluntly I can put this, but you guys are being utterly retarded when you try to get around this idea that you NEED institutional power to do anything.
No it's not that simple. Yes of course you need institutional power to do anything. But you're crapping on people, calling them clear enemies, who don't want to provide increased power and support to institutions that are already enemy-controlled.
Thinking of iowahawks excellent summary of leftists:
infiltrate an important institution
kill it and gut it
wear its carcass as a skin-suit while demanding respect
Yes it's a powerful strategy. Especially if you're willing to do what it takes to advance up through the ranks during step 1. Some people's conscience won't (yet) let them do that in institutions controlled by the left.
So we infiltrate Planned Parenthood? Strive to be the most effective baby-killers in the whole organization so that we hopefully can rise through the ranks to leadership?
How about the military that just guarded and enforced the communist coup-takeover of our country. Support it as best we can so that it can be an as effective liberty destroying fighting force as it can be until we find out we can't obtain a politically-screened leadership position at the top?
The alternative is to work to reveal the killing and gutting of the institutions has occurred and those wearing the carcass as a skin-suit no longer deserve that institutions formerly-warranted respect and power. And to start to fill that newly visible institutional power vacuum with new institutions.
No, the institutions are corrupt. Joining them now as opposition to the corruption is at best career suicide and at worse actual suicide.
The time to hold institutional power is over. We have entered the final phase of our soviet style take over. Right now we need to be organizing things that can reliably replace the current framework of institutional power, when the time comes.
its not an idiotic mindset at all. Sure you can join up and resist all you want (good luck with that btw), but its far better resistance to not support their machine at all. If people stopped joining up, they would have to do the draft again for their next BS war. If they have to do the draft again, nobody will support their BS war. If nobody supports their BS war, they will continue to double down as they lash out, and lose even more support. Power is an illusion.
The military has their smart, competent people, for high level jobs, and certain war missions. Then, they have a lot of useful idiots. They meet with troubled youth, special Ed students, etc, to recruit them for low level jobs and goon squad positions. They join because they have no other prospects in life, so may as well join the military. I know a girl who was in special Ed, from kindergarten through 12th grade. She joined the military right out of high school, 20 years ago. They kept her as a recruiter for 17 years. They switched her to another position at one of their medical facilities, then switched her right back to recruiting, because she’s dumb as a rock. She’s also a liberal who hates Trump, because tv said so. She’s not built to be a fighter or a guard, but a lot of recruits just like her, are put in guard positions. They don’t all join because they’re patriots. Don’t underestimate the number of useful idiots in the military.
Had a conversation with a friend months ago. We both agreed this country is doomed to communism or civil war. He voted biden. Some want to be oppressed rather than rock the boat and secure freedom. Is there another conclusion I should draw?
Well, they had to hide the Venona Project from Democrats like Truman and Roosevelt who were too busy polishing their Bolshevik kneepads to worry about communist infringement of our government to worry about opposing universal slavery.
Obama style democrats aren't immune to a purging. Biden will probably call it diversity and install woke warriors who are hyper committed to the cause.
When crack downs come, they don't want any hesitation.
that is true. Groups that operate solely of lies and deceit have to regularly purge their own when they fail to stay up to speed on the ever changing script. The bootlickers like General McCrystal never seem to grasp that concept. Oceania was always at war with Eastasia.
Props to everyone in the military who was holding the line patriotically while the Communists betrayed Trump.
I hope they are still holding the line. Something tells me they are.
What's the date on this?
Originally dated yesterday.
politico's article
Fucking held that shit waiting for an IA that never came...
infuriating.
I don't think Trump wanted to break up the country or deal with the incredible fallout that would have come with it. It was never going to be a reasonable measure to push the military into this, not without a full exposure of the fraud to the people in a large scale way. SCOTUS really fucked us all.
That is an inexcusable cop-out. It might have been nasty but now we are fucked for certain.
I explained it to my wife like this: being fat is hard, being fit is hard, choose your hard. In relation to our current situation: causing a major rift (with possible civil war) in our society in order to reorganize our government to represent the will of the people is hard, living under authoritarian, globalist, identitarian government is not only hard, but also antithetical to our shared morals and the American way of life. It shouldn't have even been a difficult decision.
Especially when you consider there are literally millions of people who want the same thing. They were (and still are) willing to fight for it. They just needed a leader to say “go”. Unfortunately Trump was not that leader.
That Leader will Rise. Trump didnt step into office thinking he would lead a legit revolution with the army he was a businessman who wanted to bring back American prosperity.
Maybe it will be Flynn who rises up.
Trump isn’t a military man (he loves the Military but wasn’t raised or trained to be a general). Flynn is.
He needed to lose, to expose the truth, and perhaps people take action. Otherwise people would have kept seeing him as some Superman that would handle it for us.
Maybe.
too many (((voices))) from his kids and advisors. sold him out to some plan
Except when you are working out to stop being fat there's not some weird Iraqis dumbasses and a freaking North Korean wacko waiting to nuke your ass while you deal with a Civil War.
Superbly stated in everyman terms! Respect for those analogies! Totally agree...
We're already on our way to Marxism. We can't keep backing off and letting this seep through because soon there'll be no going back.
Not necessarily.
It is very important to remember, the Dems ALWAYS fuck it up in the end and start infighting.
This, combined with an eventually slip on the cheating is inevitable. It is a matter of how much damage they can do in the meantime, and if we can organize to take over again but with a real MAGA team, not just one solo man.
Except the in-fighting will be between old guard dems that want to chest the American people out of their money and maintain the status quo and new dems that are full blown communists that actually believe in the ideology and are young enough to understand modern influencing of the people.
Which side do you think will win over the next decade?
The Establishment.
They don’t want real socialism, they want Corporate Socialism in which the elite get richer at the expense of everyone else.
The want neo-feudalism where everyone but them are the serfs sharecropping on land they don't own for the benefit only of the elite at the top.
Agreed
No, it wouldn't be "nasty", "nasty" would be awesome…it would be inevitable doom. A Civil War in the US right now would invite WWIII and nuclear attacks when the acting president gets compromised by the other side.
Live free or die!
Thats such BS. I am not bashing Trump at all, but this "well it would be bad or messy" argument is BS. The nation was handed to an usurper plain and simple, and everyone involved, good or bad, will have to live with that choice and the consequences that come with it for the rest of their lives. If we were a nation that had stayed isolationist, then I would share you sentiment, but we proudly send our troops to war constantly, under BS pretexts and are told we must support it or we arnt Patriotic. We only have the luxury of making these platitudinous cop out statements because we have not yet fully savored the fruits of the tyrants labor.
The presidential election is a shared concern of all the states because the president affects all of them. The SCOTUS rational for evading the case was entirely political. They are the law now so they can justify it with whatever legalese they want though.
They literally admit it was because they were scared of antifa riots. Gtfo here total cop out.
UNDER RULES ESTABLISHED BY THEIR LEGISLATURES
The entire point of the lawsuit was that those states didn't execute their elections under rules established by their legislatures.
The fact that they were allowed to get away with it renders the Constitution null and void.
FACTS
I agree that it shouldn't have been the case that went to the Supreme Court, but the SC had a few other cases that it could easily have ruled on.
IMO, they therefore cucked out since there was at least one option for them to rule on at a given time throughout this whole fuckery.
They are political & compromised.
Joe should hold his breath
It's too bad Trump didn't replace his beta-level civilian attorney with an alpha-male military-grade attorney.
Clap for that you stupid bastards
Trump could have asked the Joint Chiefs if he should invoke the insurrection act, methinks. Why the waiting game?
On the 7th the joint chiefs sent a message to all personnel condemning the events of the 6th. They said that biden was president elect, and that anyone participating in or supporting action to foment a different outcome was willfully engaging in insurrection. Lots of shaming language and overt threats in the message.
The military brass is not loyal to anyone but the war machine. Little mid level troops like me have no ability to do anything besides wait for the inevitable loyalty tests, oaths, and orders that are not congruent with our original oath. When those come, our only option will be to sacrifice our income, retirement, freedom and future to stand for our oath and our morals. Those of us who can't allow ourselves to get in line to participate in the destruction of the republic will simply be excised. It has already begun.
The military is not going to get involved on our side. Though they will overwhelmingly follow orders from the globalist overlords and stomp on the rights of American citizens in the name of combating terrorism.
Don't forget that for 8 years the military brass was carefully selected by Obama and his people. There is no reason to trust the military brass.
Why couldn't President Trump have replaced them?
Because for some reason the President isn’t allowed to fire people except through his joint chiefs (who are all deep state).
Kushner...
Probably because of the lousy appointments at all levels he was able to get thru the Mitch McConnell-controlled Senate. Sessions and Barr are the poster children on that, but don't think they were the end of it.
So officers at all levels are compromised cucks basically?
once they send young Majors to ILE, they come back fully indoctrinated.
don't understand this part. You could not indoctrinate me if you payed me a billion bucks. Do they lobotomize them or something?
From personal experience, they do return from ILE seemingly lobotomized. ILE is the Army version, but all branches have it to prepare jr officers to become sr officers. It probably sounds like hyperbole, but ask any jr officer about field grades...
Here is some low level officers doing their thing. Watch it and let me know if you think the propaganda has influence in our ranks.
https://twitter.com/DrewHLive/status/1352304377852116999?s=20
JCOS are political cucks. You don't make it that far in the chain of command if you don't play politics.
He would had better luck asking for military support from AMLO in Mexico than the JCS.
The politico article this is referring to is the Biden admin reflecting back to December when the pentagon wasn't sharing intelligence briefs with the transition team. Doesn't mean they aren't cooperating with him now.
Watch/read 'Rules for Rulers'.
In short, until the military decides to back someone else. Simply not backing Biden isn't enough.
How does this muppet even have a security clearance? It's a sad fucking joke.
Better question is why Trump didn't pull the trigger?
There seems to be a lot of misinformation spreading on this site. The article this tweets cites says the exact opposite of what the tweet implies. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/20/biden-pentagon-transition-460768
Article literally says “One area where the Biden team said the department has been cooperative was in security surrounding the inauguration, primarily because the Pentagon’s role in the effort has been led by the military side.”
That doesn’t make it sound like Biden is in control of the military...
It is vital that election fraud be proven in court. No ruling - no "evidence". Its all there, but case needs to be accepted, evidence presented, argued and decided. Swing states had no counter argument but they certified anyway. All legal remedies have not been exhausted before military can even think about intervention. It has to be a "lawful" order.
Military knows Joe's a Chinese asset
Reminder that there are shills on this website that were actually arguing in favor that anyone on our side with any position in the military should quit or that anyone considering joining shouldnt.
Holding institutional power is the only thing that matters, anyone telling you not to go for it or to give it up is a clear enemy.
Anyone willing to suck up to and do the things that would be necessary to advance up through the power structure of an enemy-controlled organization is a clear enemy.
So as you're acting the gray-man, ratting out patriots and strenuously advancing the marxist agenda in order to get that promotion from your commie management, hopefully you'll find some way to live with yourself.
I don't know what the answer is, but this is my gut reaction to your statement. I don't think it's so clear cut either way, and I don't know that there are any good options once the left is in power.
The answer is really fucking simple, you obtain institutional power and use that power to help friends and punish enemies. Thats it, thats how this has always worked throughout human history, no matter what cause or ideology.
Even in the American Revolution there were secret shadow governments in the form of the Committee of Correspondence with the help of secret illuminati brotherhoods with well connected and powerful locals in The Sons of Liberty and they had the loyalty of local commanders of the state militias. Or look at the communist in Russia, they played into the institutions of the soviets and had the support of workers unions and an international communist network of support and supplies and they were all fighting a civil war for direct control of institutional state power.
I dont know how much more bluntly I can put this, but you guys are being utterly retarded when you try to get around this idea that you NEED institutional power to do anything.
No it's not that simple. Yes of course you need institutional power to do anything. But you're crapping on people, calling them clear enemies, who don't want to provide increased power and support to institutions that are already enemy-controlled.
Thinking of iowahawks excellent summary of leftists:
Yes it's a powerful strategy. Especially if you're willing to do what it takes to advance up through the ranks during step 1. Some people's conscience won't (yet) let them do that in institutions controlled by the left.
So we infiltrate Planned Parenthood? Strive to be the most effective baby-killers in the whole organization so that we hopefully can rise through the ranks to leadership?
How about the military that just guarded and enforced the communist coup-takeover of our country. Support it as best we can so that it can be an as effective liberty destroying fighting force as it can be until we find out we can't obtain a politically-screened leadership position at the top?
The alternative is to work to reveal the killing and gutting of the institutions has occurred and those wearing the carcass as a skin-suit no longer deserve that institutions formerly-warranted respect and power. And to start to fill that newly visible institutional power vacuum with new institutions.
No, the institutions are corrupt. Joining them now as opposition to the corruption is at best career suicide and at worse actual suicide.
The time to hold institutional power is over. We have entered the final phase of our soviet style take over. Right now we need to be organizing things that can reliably replace the current framework of institutional power, when the time comes.
"time to hold institutional power is over"
This is such an idiotic mindset that I will now simply stop talking to you.
Can you name a single time communism was defeated from within?
its not an idiotic mindset at all. Sure you can join up and resist all you want (good luck with that btw), but its far better resistance to not support their machine at all. If people stopped joining up, they would have to do the draft again for their next BS war. If they have to do the draft again, nobody will support their BS war. If nobody supports their BS war, they will continue to double down as they lash out, and lose even more support. Power is an illusion.
The military has their smart, competent people, for high level jobs, and certain war missions. Then, they have a lot of useful idiots. They meet with troubled youth, special Ed students, etc, to recruit them for low level jobs and goon squad positions. They join because they have no other prospects in life, so may as well join the military. I know a girl who was in special Ed, from kindergarten through 12th grade. She joined the military right out of high school, 20 years ago. They kept her as a recruiter for 17 years. They switched her to another position at one of their medical facilities, then switched her right back to recruiting, because she’s dumb as a rock. She’s also a liberal who hates Trump, because tv said so. She’s not built to be a fighter or a guard, but a lot of recruits just like her, are put in guard positions. They don’t all join because they’re patriots. Don’t underestimate the number of useful idiots in the military.
Had a conversation with a friend months ago. We both agreed this country is doomed to communism or civil war. He voted biden. Some want to be oppressed rather than rock the boat and secure freedom. Is there another conclusion I should draw?
IDK but it's been a little over 30 hours and that's too long...
Stop larping. They all showed up for his Inauguration
Well, they had to hide the Venona Project from Democrats like Truman and Roosevelt who were too busy polishing their Bolshevik kneepads to worry about communist infringement of our government to worry about opposing universal slavery.
Good on the troops. Shame on Trump for not doing his duty and protecting the dignity of this constitution
Biden will purge the senior military leaders and install loyalists.
he doesnt have to do that because 0bama already did that for him already. Trump didnt purge anyone.
Obama style democrats aren't immune to a purging. Biden will probably call it diversity and install woke warriors who are hyper committed to the cause.
When crack downs come, they don't want any hesitation.
that is true. Groups that operate solely of lies and deceit have to regularly purge their own when they fail to stay up to speed on the ever changing script. The bootlickers like General McCrystal never seem to grasp that concept. Oceania was always at war with Eastasia.
Huh.
Hold the line! They are surrounding DC for some reason. DO IT JUST FUCKING DO IT!
Who found the hopium? is it the good shit or the q shit?