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lifeisahologram 9 points ago +9 / -0

Yup. And sadly I don't think ALL of our votes have mattered in a long time.

Of course they did matter in 2016, but there was still massive fraud then they just underestimated how much fraud they had to commit, and we were able to overcome it.

But millions of votes were still stolen in 2016, and they had dropped all pretense in 2020 to avoid that mistake again. They have the political willpower to do whatever they want and don't care, so patriots will never win another national election again UNTIL we fix/repair all/most states first.

But as we have seen, you can lose control in one election cycle. So it will be an uphill battle for sure, even if we fix PA/AZ/etc, they could just compromise others and its a constant game of whack a mole. This is why I think it is probably a losing battle.

Secession is probably the only real solution at this point. If a significant enough state/bloc secedes, we can convince many smaller states easily.

I think the best path via secession would be Texas and/or Florida to kick things off.

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Semperfidelispatriae 2 points ago +2 / -0

,👍

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rabdargab 2 points ago +2 / -0

in the long run secession would be stupid, but i really hope they do pursue it because we need a match point to get our country back.

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Dfalt 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's only stupid from a foreign relations standpoint because we're currently the dominant power on Earth, but how long will it last? We have an administration now that is continuing the work where the old one (Obama, not Trump) by setting us up to fail and a system designed to prevent any opposition to that from ever happening again legally. America's current status as global hegemon is due mostly to the fact that we were the only ones with any real infrastructure left standing after WWII. Our forefathers fought for liberty and independence, and I don't believe they ever intended for us to become a major global power as it brings too many complications in the form of foreign enemies and foreign influence. Our current status has left us secure and comfortable for now, but I believe we'll have a choice to make soon as to whether we value liberty or security more. I hope we make the right choice.

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rabdargab 2 points ago +2 / -0

Very well said