Gab needs verbal support more than money I would say. We all need to push back on the Nazi shit without denying it.... Their are some twisted people on there, but that's what blocking for. Free speech requires that.
I love Gab and am supporting it, but I do think Nazi/racist shit should be removed. The problem is that the Left maliciously floods your platform with that stuff if you don't remove it. You can still have free speech while removing those sorts of bad-faith malicious attacks. It drives away normal people.
Where do you draw the line? What jokes are and aren't allowed? Is it racist to say black people are faster runners on average? There's a reason the first amendment is permisive and the line is drawn at actionable threats. It's a slippry slope, in the eyes of the left we are the racists.
Gab makes the first amendment mean something in the 21stC by allowing all legal speech. As Jefferson said it's a "tumultuous sea of liberty" not a "tranquil tyranny" like Reddit.
Sadly the first people to get banned are the first people to flock to a real free speech platform, but those people are being drowned out. They already have been greatly with waves of mass bannings.
We can't play 'America' when one player is playing tyrant. The left has changed the rules and we need to play like we're in a war where all's fair. We draw the line like the left would draw the line. When we actually have AMERICA back then we can stop playing by war rules.
I keep saying this since a lot of ppl don't seem to get it. When one side is literally playing a game with cheat engine, there is no 'game'. Until the playing field can be levelled, there are no rules.
Do what we have to, harder, faster, filthier than they do, until the field is level. There IS NO OTHER WAY.
Use that magical algorithm, but in a truthful manner. Use the system to downrank violent, porn, spam and other stuffs like that, but not any political thoughts. If these Nazi/racist shit really exists, let it sink down to the bottom by themselves.
Nobody can picture what a real nazi movement looks like. These days anybody can be a Nazi in the leftists' view. Even we call feminists femiNAZIs. The term has become a thrown away label like racist, therefore it has lost its substance like diluted currency losing its buying power. Even the leftists has changed that into "white supremacists."
That's Reddit tier. What is 'actual' racism? Does that mean people can't discuss The Bellcurve? Do some jokes go to far while others are OK? Why not sexism? Transphobia? Not baking the cake??
As Malcolme X said only when the whiteman and the blackman are free to honestly speak thier mind will race relations actually improve. Malcolm X is an example of an intelligent man who moderated his position. I don't like racial hatred but even hidding those behind it away does nothing besides preventing love from reaching those people. Christ came for the sinners.
Gab's not like it used to be either, the worst actors are drowned out now that waves more have come. The userbase is more like. TheDonald than /pol/ these days.
I guess for me I would draw the line at the clear and obvious hateful racist posts. Especially if they seem to be part of an inorganic outside attack. Like if you see a whole bunch of the same racist post repeatedly posted, those should be deleted. Maybe the answer just needs to be controlling inorganic shill posting.
It's not about my feelings and I'm not offended by it. I'm more talking about the organized Leftist attacks to discredit alternative platforms. That's the issue that needs to be addressed, because I think it happens on a large scale. This does drive people away when it's not controlled.
Free speech has an inherent dilemma. By definition, 1A protects all speeches - including communism and all its variations, but communism is the one speech that silences all other speeches, so you're gonna end up with nothing but communism, which is exactly where we're at now.
This is what happens when the mainstream plays identity politics, the ethnic group being attacked, in this case white people, will start to play identity politics too. You can't stop it unless you destroy the mainstream extremism.
Who defines the word "Nazi"?
The left called us that for years. It means nothing, now. Just far-right enough to be a problem.
Wignats and feds will always get called out and ostracised. That's how we get rid of them.
Wrong speak police went into action years ago. That hot actress from the first Transformers movies got fired for saying the Director was like a Nazi. All she meant was that he was strict. This was years after the Seinfeld show had a character named the Soup Nazi.
So it depended on who you were and how powerful you were.
I will say Jews I knew did not throw around the word 'Nazi' or K1ke' the way a black person would throw out the word n1gga.
For me it is intent. If you are joking, you may hurt someone's feeling. If you are saying, "this f_cking n-word piece of....". You get the point.
The best thing was when the woke and #metoo starting eating their own. I loved that part of 2020.
I think openly racist content is pretty self-evident when it gets direct enough. The flood of shills looking to discredit your platform needs to be controlled. Imagine if we didn't delete it here; it would completely flooded with organized attacks to discredit us.
It is obvious these are just jews who can't handle any criticism. And no, IDGAF about your religion, IDGAF about you. What I do care about is my god given right of freedom of speech. You say what you want, I will say what I want. Everyone can handle criticism expect for jews, blacks, hispanics, ccp. Why is it only the white man has to take criticism? I don't walk around and say this crap, I don't even like the tone of most race based junk. I however, will defend any speech till the end of my day. This site also doesnt claim to have a non biased view point. There is such a vast difference between the two, it just makes you look like a moron for even saying it. How bout you just stfu and grow up. People don't like me and talk trash about me, who cares. If its true, take it in and learn from it, if it isn't, then just let it go
100% this. I'd rather scroll past things I personally find repellant, than create some false category of "hate speech" that can be manipulated by my enemies.
You're comparing apples and oranges. This site isn't a free-speech zone; there are multiple ranges of political speech that aren't allowed here. That was the intent of its founders, and they do a good job keeping the site true to its mission.
But Gab is free speech, and the Internet needs that. Many people might fear that, hate it, disparage it, avoid it, or read it with guilty pleasure. Fine, that's where their freedom comes in.
I've been on Gab since 2018, but never realized the drive behind it until Andy started getting some fair press. Anyone who is driven to defend the 1A like he is has earned my respect!
I wish I had used Gab more. I've had my account since the private beta in 2016 (I feel like I had to email Torba to get an invite?), but then I pretty much let it sit until Twitter got rid of me. In a way I feel like I missed the boat because I probably could have developed quite a following over the course of 4 years.
Now that I'm using Gab more I'm loving it. I hardly miss Twatter at all.
Andrew Torba was fighting all of this back in July 2018 when Infowars and himself were being completely purged from existence. Credit card companies, internet servers, online retailers, social media, everything was completely banning them. Torba fought thru the threats on his family and made it happen. I was sad at the time that Gab wasn't being flocked to by users. How the times have changed now...
All the blacklisting he had to go through will probably be a strength in the long term, since Gab is now more resilient to being de-platformed like Parler.
You know it’s a mess: when your mother living in a southern state calls you up late at night just to share laughs and jokes about the IT running the Health Dept for Biden.
Gawd almighty you’d never think a women in her 80’s could laugh as hard as she was, I put her on speaker phone and the wife and I laughed for a half hour straight to her reading responses from FaceBook.
Seriously. Maybe we could make a community for it so the people who would run it could get some help with the descriptions. That way communists can't access and deface it.
"Listen to the experts" has become a slogan for people who never take life advice from sober well adjusted people. If I had a nickel for every drug addicted suicidal artist who yelled "listen to the experts" to me I'd have a bank.
Easy to be when you run the site dedicated to free speech. No worry about anyone silencing you for having the "wrong" opinion.
Fyi being "trans" is a mental illness.
He has to be the bravest man in the world. I don't know what kind of security he has. But I can't believe that he isn't on the target of the deep state
Andy has been pushing back on all this crap for years now while the rest of these fence sitters were losing ground.
I'm 100% behind Andrew now. I'm out here donating to causes I probably can't afford, but I know it's worth it.
Gab needs verbal support more than money I would say. We all need to push back on the Nazi shit without denying it.... Their are some twisted people on there, but that's what blocking for. Free speech requires that.
We'll spread the word
Yes. Social networks are like parties. No one wants to go to the party with no people...
No one wants to play the online videogame that has no other users lol. Same shit, its extremely user driven.
Metcalfe's law of network valuation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalfe%27s_law
Have you joined? I'm on Gab @JackLemon Every Pede should join Gab if they really want to support free speech media.
I love Gab and am supporting it, but I do think Nazi/racist shit should be removed. The problem is that the Left maliciously floods your platform with that stuff if you don't remove it. You can still have free speech while removing those sorts of bad-faith malicious attacks. It drives away normal people.
Where do you draw the line? What jokes are and aren't allowed? Is it racist to say black people are faster runners on average? There's a reason the first amendment is permisive and the line is drawn at actionable threats. It's a slippry slope, in the eyes of the left we are the racists.
Gab makes the first amendment mean something in the 21stC by allowing all legal speech. As Jefferson said it's a "tumultuous sea of liberty" not a "tranquil tyranny" like Reddit.
Sadly the first people to get banned are the first people to flock to a real free speech platform, but those people are being drowned out. They already have been greatly with waves of mass bannings.
We can't play 'America' when one player is playing tyrant. The left has changed the rules and we need to play like we're in a war where all's fair. We draw the line like the left would draw the line. When we actually have AMERICA back then we can stop playing by war rules.
I keep saying this since a lot of ppl don't seem to get it. When one side is literally playing a game with cheat engine, there is no 'game'. Until the playing field can be levelled, there are no rules.
Do what we have to, harder, faster, filthier than they do, until the field is level. There IS NO OTHER WAY.
Use that magical algorithm, but in a truthful manner. Use the system to downrank violent, porn, spam and other stuffs like that, but not any political thoughts. If these Nazi/racist shit really exists, let it sink down to the bottom by themselves.
Or rise. If that's what a lot of people want then so be it.
I don't want a real Nazi movement to rise just like I don't want the leftists to rise.
At least Gab allows these ideas to be discussed and then the reader can make up their own mind.
Nobody can picture what a real nazi movement looks like. These days anybody can be a Nazi in the leftists' view. Even we call feminists femiNAZIs. The term has become a thrown away label like racist, therefore it has lost its substance like diluted currency losing its buying power. Even the leftists has changed that into "white supremacists."
at actual racism?
At [subjectively defined] idea I don't like.
That's Reddit tier. What is 'actual' racism? Does that mean people can't discuss The Bellcurve? Do some jokes go to far while others are OK? Why not sexism? Transphobia? Not baking the cake??
As Malcolme X said only when the whiteman and the blackman are free to honestly speak thier mind will race relations actually improve. Malcolm X is an example of an intelligent man who moderated his position. I don't like racial hatred but even hidding those behind it away does nothing besides preventing love from reaching those people. Christ came for the sinners.
Gab's not like it used to be either, the worst actors are drowned out now that waves more have come. The userbase is more like. TheDonald than /pol/ these days.
If you can't tell the difference between actual racism and facts or a joke then you might be a libtard.
I guess for me I would draw the line at the clear and obvious hateful racist posts. Especially if they seem to be part of an inorganic outside attack. Like if you see a whole bunch of the same racist post repeatedly posted, those should be deleted. Maybe the answer just needs to be controlling inorganic shill posting.
By your rules, the left wouldn't be allowed on the platform, they hate white people and are open about it.
The word "racist" is meaningless now. You probably consider being offended as a "rAcIsMz". Free speech is absolute. Fuck your feelings.
It's not about my feelings and I'm not offended by it. I'm more talking about the organized Leftist attacks to discredit alternative platforms. That's the issue that needs to be addressed, because I think it happens on a large scale. This does drive people away when it's not controlled.
That we can all agree on
There are ops that exist solely to frame Trump supporters. They're easy to spot, fortunately.
There's no such thing as "hate speech".
All speech is free speech, protected by the 1st Amendment.
Free speech has an inherent dilemma. By definition, 1A protects all speeches - including communism and all its variations, but communism is the one speech that silences all other speeches, so you're gonna end up with nothing but communism, which is exactly where we're at now.
They aren't inorganic.
This is what happens when the mainstream plays identity politics, the ethnic group being attacked, in this case white people, will start to play identity politics too. You can't stop it unless you destroy the mainstream extremism.
Who defines the word "Nazi"? The left called us that for years. It means nothing, now. Just far-right enough to be a problem. Wignats and feds will always get called out and ostracised. That's how we get rid of them.
Wrong speak police went into action years ago. That hot actress from the first Transformers movies got fired for saying the Director was like a Nazi. All she meant was that he was strict. This was years after the Seinfeld show had a character named the Soup Nazi. So it depended on who you were and how powerful you were. I will say Jews I knew did not throw around the word 'Nazi' or K1ke' the way a black person would throw out the word n1gga.
For me it is intent. If you are joking, you may hurt someone's feeling. If you are saying, "this f_cking n-word piece of....". You get the point. The best thing was when the woke and #metoo starting eating their own. I loved that part of 2020.
I think openly racist content is pretty self-evident when it gets direct enough. The flood of shills looking to discredit your platform needs to be controlled. Imagine if we didn't delete it here; it would completely flooded with organized attacks to discredit us.
see this is EXACTLY where the fucking problem comes in, because "self-evident" is absolutely open to personal interpretation and abuse
Free speech is FREE. "Hate speech" is still FREE SPEECH
If you're not actually comfortable with FREE (unrestricted) speech just go ahead and say so.
It is obvious these are just jews who can't handle any criticism. And no, IDGAF about your religion, IDGAF about you. What I do care about is my god given right of freedom of speech. You say what you want, I will say what I want. Everyone can handle criticism expect for jews, blacks, hispanics, ccp. Why is it only the white man has to take criticism? I don't walk around and say this crap, I don't even like the tone of most race based junk. I however, will defend any speech till the end of my day. This site also doesnt claim to have a non biased view point. There is such a vast difference between the two, it just makes you look like a moron for even saying it. How bout you just stfu and grow up. People don't like me and talk trash about me, who cares. If its true, take it in and learn from it, if it isn't, then just let it go
100% this. I'd rather scroll past things I personally find repellant, than create some false category of "hate speech" that can be manipulated by my enemies.
You're comparing apples and oranges. This site isn't a free-speech zone; there are multiple ranges of political speech that aren't allowed here. That was the intent of its founders, and they do a good job keeping the site true to its mission.
But Gab is free speech, and the Internet needs that. Many people might fear that, hate it, disparage it, avoid it, or read it with guilty pleasure. Fine, that's where their freedom comes in.
dude if you cant handle the internet just dont use it
I see people make racial jokes and I don't feel bothered if it is a public social media platform. the only thing not allowed for me is child porn.
Shit should only be removed if it's illegal. I hate Nazi shit, too, but if I see it I know how to use a block button.
I've been on Gab since 2018, but never realized the drive behind it until Andy started getting some fair press. Anyone who is driven to defend the 1A like he is has earned my respect!
I wish I'd found gab.com sooner. I spent far too much time resisting the censorship on reddit before I gave up that fight.
I wish I had used Gab more. I've had my account since the private beta in 2016 (I feel like I had to email Torba to get an invite?), but then I pretty much let it sit until Twitter got rid of me. In a way I feel like I missed the boat because I probably could have developed quite a following over the course of 4 years.
Now that I'm using Gab more I'm loving it. I hardly miss Twatter at all.
I’ve tried for a week to get either my old account back or even a new one....busy signal.
Yeah it's been so bogged down lately. Half of my interactions don't register, if the site even loads.
We will prevail. He’s probably waiting on servers he ordered.
gab.com is definitely still "under construction", but it's well funded. I think the bugs wont last the month.
Good for you. I am going to get a pro membership just to support Gab. It's much better than Parler which gave up all its users info to the deep state.
Andrew Torba was fighting all of this back in July 2018 when Infowars and himself were being completely purged from existence. Credit card companies, internet servers, online retailers, social media, everything was completely banning them. Torba fought thru the threats on his family and made it happen. I was sad at the time that Gab wasn't being flocked to by users. How the times have changed now...
I'm actually holding back from using it right now. There is so much traffic the servers are bogged down.
All the blacklisting he had to go through will probably be a strength in the long term, since Gab is now more resilient to being de-platformed like Parler.
Too bad my account on Gab died for some reason. I enjoyed the Ace of Spades HQ group.
I hope the "it's about ethics in gaming journalism" faggots learned their lesson.
Honestly that’s how you know he’s the real deal. He’s put in the effort for years to build everything from the ground up.
Torba is uber-based. He's fought through hell to get to where he is now.
Like they haven't been running it for 80 years?
But now they're out in the open. Shamelessly pissing on the constitution.
Like they haven't been doing that for 40 years?
True. It's just more obvious now.
The trannies are out for revenge after this election
You can now kick ass in women sports.
Oh boy, this is taking domestic abuse to a whole different level! Fun!
Why would they do that? They got what they wanted and can join the military again. All 5 of them that wanted to
Leftist trannies are a victim class. They'll never stop reeeeeeeing
When have they not been out for revenge?
Its like Donald never left. Base-ness comin from all angles now!
He showed us how to fight.
He showed us how to WIN.
AYE!
You know it’s a mess: when your mother living in a southern state calls you up late at night just to share laughs and jokes about the IT running the Health Dept for Biden.
Gawd almighty you’d never think a women in her 80’s could laugh as hard as she was, I put her on speaker phone and the wife and I laughed for a half hour straight to her reading responses from FaceBook.
Jaw so sore from laughing.
You can't look at AOC and tell me with a straight face that she's not on a psychotropic prescription for a mental disorder.
She's got those "I HATE YOU, DADDY" EYES
She hates her dad for moving her to a better neighborhood as a child.
Her daddy died, so she does have some daddy issues for sure.
Men are not women.
It's really that simple
This dude is gonna take down big tech by himself.
With our help.
Of course
He taught if you build a platform system or you have a business then you need alternatives from the Big FAGATs
Look at how hard gab is trashed on its Wikipedia page. Says all I need to know.
Nobody should be using Wikipedia anyway
We need WINipedia now
Seriously. Maybe we could make a community for it so the people who would run it could get some help with the descriptions. That way communists can't access and deface it.
This is literally the best idea that has ever come from this site
"Listen to the experts" has become a slogan for people who never take life advice from sober well adjusted people. If I had a nickel for every drug addicted suicidal artist who yelled "listen to the experts" to me I'd have a bank.
I always say my experts are better than your experts.
Right-wing fact checking websites when?
https://www.justfactsdaily.com/
They often do fact checks, however, their top priority is thorough research.
Cool. Thanks for the bookmark!
who the hell would listen to our experts?
Fauci? Birx -- GMAFB
Can’t wait until he’s starts a new phone service! I can’t wait I am so ready to get rid of my iPhone
Same here. If it’s an above average smartphone I’ll definitely purchase.
Fact Check: Hmm True - Torba is Based. :)
He hit the nail on the head when he called them demons.
sobs He can't keep getting away with this!!!! On his own platform!!! That we told him to make!!!!
The left literally asked for this to happen lol
Please, only use Gab from now on, delete all other apps, stop putting money in the pockets of big tech facists.
Rock fucking solid.
Mutations
Absolutely. And there are no British. Brittany is a falicade. #EpsteinDidNotKillHimself
You can tell 99% of the gab userbase are red-blooded Americans.
Twitter is like 20% European and 90% left wing.
100% mentally ill.
Yes. But what to do, what to do? The Liliputians foment unrest. Kill, crush, destroy?
Easy to be when you run the site dedicated to free speech. No worry about anyone silencing you for having the "wrong" opinion. Fyi being "trans" is a mental illness.
And "faggot" isn't hate speech
agreed
As an Australian we grew up calling everyone faggots, just a normal sledge for us.
Same in the US!
You're a hero <3
Chadstrom Chadington
He means occupying the government...
Hahaha! It's funny because it's true!
It's gonna be easier to count the number of things which go right lol
Pretty sure they're in Philly. I may need to move closer to the city after all.
Freaks and demons are pronouns so he’s not wrong
That's what we should call trannies. "Pronouns"
"Oh look, it's a pronoun. Eugh"
That’s some big brain thinking Pede 👆 🧠
The deep state was always there, the difference now being that they finally topped off the Christmas tree.
Holy shit! Finally some ppl speaking out
To be fair, they have been ruling us all along. Now they are out in the open.
Welcome to the book of revelations
Demons ... HAHAHAHAHAHA .. nailed it! Nancy is the dried-up old succubus demon from Hell.
SCORCH EARTH
Hes our man. Now for Trump to start that TV network...
DOOM irl begins...
(due to the nature of the world right now, i must clarify that i, in fact, am only making a joke, and not trying to say anything else)
FBI is watching
Foaming at the mouth to nab an edgy 14 year old shitposter
LOADS SHOTGUN WITH PATRIOTIC INTENT
SPIRIT ANIMAL
He has no filter and I love it
I don't want a free speech forum. I want a right wing one. I don't want communists to have a voice anymore.
That shit is how we got here.
Hell yeah. I'm with you 100%. We gotta purge em from our platforms. That's the only way.
Maybe the Lord will surprise them with some things
I wasn’t gonna but I’m sighing up now
Cmon tell us what you really think!
He has to be the bravest man in the world. I don't know what kind of security he has. But I can't believe that he isn't on the target of the deep state
Trump's going to be targeted for years, maybe even decades. So is Andrew.
It's our job to make sure the deep state doesn't deep 6 them both. We have to hold journalists accountable.
Trannies are reeeeeeeeeeeeeing
I just surfed over to see what the site was about, good job media dicks
seriously can't wait till the day Gab working smoothly (it getting better everyday)
then campaign against all the RINOs that lead to election fraud. action. action. action.
based as fuck
Amen