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posted ago by yellowandrose ago by yellowandrose +1406 / -1

THEY STABBED US IN THE BACK WE CAN'T EVER VOTE FOR THEM AGAIN AND WE SURE AS HELL CAN'T VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS---SO THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE

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Hussar 2 points ago +3 / -1

I might be the only one saying this but I'll do it any way.

You have to differentiate the scumbag politicians from the party that they currently control. The GOP is a party, and parties go through periodic realignments.

If you take control of the parties, then you get to determine how the party realigns. You get all of the perks that go with it - party infrastructure, internal organization, mobilization methods, funding, broad name recognition, and perhaps most importantly - a track record, which reassures people that you can win.

If you want to start a new party (and I'm sympathetic to that), then you will need to build all of these things mostly from scratch, you will need to do it very quickly, and you will need to do it with both sides of the uniparty actively working against you. You don't think they'll sink to using dirty tricks to keep your new party from growing? Do you think they'll allow your candidate to step on the debate stage if they have even an outside chance of winning? You will need to convince people to leave a party that can occasionally win for a party that has never won.

"But there are millions of us."

I know. But the same can be said for the Libertarian Party, and they've been around for almost half a century, and yet the best they can do is win a handful state congress races. Down ballot beneath Team Red and Team Blue, it's a desert of hopeless parties that all believe that they can be the one that destroys the two-party paradigm. Like it or not, Trump would not have won if he had somehow run as the Libertarian or Reform Party candidate in 2016. He used the GOP's vast resources.

"But Trump has 75 million people ready to go."

That's optimistic. The sad truth is that many of the people who voted for him are not politically engaged. That's not to say that they're ignorant or stupid, but it means that they are unlikely to follow you to your new party. At best, a new party would siphon off about 30 million voters from the GOP in 2024. That's no small feat, but it also guarantees that Harris gets another 4 years in office.

"But Trump would be leading this new party."

Great. And who else? Trump can't run or represent an entire party by himself, and not every Matt Gaetz or Paul Gosar will be willing to join a party and risk losing what little power they currently have. Trump is already in his 70s, and although his enthusiasm and energy might not suggest it, being the POTUS does a number on your health. What happens to the Patriot Party when he passes away? Who takes up the torch as the ideological leader, who runs for office, and how many will lose interest and float back to the GOP?

Let's try an analogy. The house we're sitting in is old and falling apart structurally, but the electrical and plumbing work are fine. Would you rather tear the entire thing down and spend months rebuilding it from scratch, or would you rather fix what you have, while keeping the intact electrical and plumbing work?

I'm not telling you to be content with what the GOP currently is, or to sit around and do nothing. Quite the opposite. We need to work triple-overtime to take back control of it from within. We should be forcing the Mitt Romneys and Liz Cheneys into political exile, not the other way around.

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awooo 2 points ago +2 / -0

That's optimistic. The sad truth is that many of the people who voted for him are not politically engaged.

GTFO with that blackpill doomer bullshit. Trump rallies spontaneously erupted all through 2020 whether Trump showed up or not. Boat rallies. Car rallies. In the middle of Covid no less.

New party isn't the problem. The rigged election process is the problem. Election integrity has to be restored if anything is going to work. If everyone in the swing stages REGISTERS UNDER A NEW PARTY, that might actually motivate those fucking red legislatures to do something before they are voted out by the rigged process.