I see both sides. in a way, let them have a nice hotel to sleep in and hang in to realize who really supports them. Then as they're shipped off to die, maybe they'll realize they shouldn't have blindly betrayed their country.
The rank-and-file military didn't BETRAY their country, they are following orders or else they'd be COURT-MARTIALED. What did you want them to do? Shoot up the WH? I don't see you storming capitals, so don't you dare call our troops betrayers when you don't know fucking jack.
I wish I could find an old essay I read from a retired Colonel. It was in the vein of why the military would comply with gun confiscation orders.
He argued that the military would never refuse an illegal order (like gun confiscation) because their training focused on discipline and following orders and never even broaches the topic of how to resist an illegal order. He sited a bunch of times throughout history where service members obeyed illegal orders, including blatant ones.
In the military, obedience and discipline are more important than oaths and loyalty.
Well said, I've seen numerous people on here claim that the military or police would never follow orders to confiscate guns. Simply not true at all, they WILL follow those orders.
Agreed. Which is why if they are told to take the guns they WILL take them. They will just be "following orders!" as an excuse to do it too. Just look at the bootlickers in the comments. I get the idea of following orders but if you are given the order to shoot Americans how could you in good conscience obey that?? I would rather be court-martialed than do something that heinous. Yet we have people in the comments saying that would be justified because they would just be following orders lol.
I'll call it exactly as it is. The national guard, everyone in the military, has a duty and oath to uphold the Constitution. They refused to do so, and while the top ranks of course deserve more blame, everyone has a choice.
I guess you support the targeting of anyone in the military who is a republican or has supported Trump. And fuck off, I've said before, I've done more than you and I'll put my knowledge up against yours or anyone else who wants to attack what I've done for the country. I don't need to know your resume for me to be confident in mine.
Get the fuck out of here with your boxcar bullshit. If it's that bad, why haven't YOU done something? I'll tell you why, because you're a weak little cuck who bashes soldiers for things you wouldn't dare do yourself. You'd prefer they would have died mounting an assault on capital hill. You're a pathetic excuse of an American.
These people are retarded. They think it's 1856 and you can take over America by seizing 3 or 4 buildings.
The military probably voted 80% for Trump and most would die for him if there was a target to go after. But there just isn't. It's social media, mainstream media, heads of armed forces, heads of 3 letter agencies, RINOs, Dems, Governors, Dominion, local judges, etc., etc.
Lmao. Except to my knowledge there's literally no such thing as a "military ballot". The military will get absentee ballots, which are indistinguishable from any other absentee ballot. Maybe one state has specific "military ballots".
Of course you would know this if you weren't a cowardly faggot who never served, or you actually bothered to ever learn anything and didn't just read bullshit conspiracy fake news, like a brainless NPC.
Don't label the lower rank and file as blindly betraying their country. Often they know little of why they are doing something. They just know that they are told to do it.
You are thinking like a civilian with civilian liberties. They don't have those options.
I was living at Fort Lewis when Lt. Watada refused to deploy to Iraq because he sincerely believed it was an immoral order. The brass fucking destroyed him. The troops on the line really don't have a choice. Not only is "just following orders" part of the separation of powers, it's not practical to resist when it will get you in just as much trouble as if you had participated in a war crime. It takes exceptional courage, and a belief that you're fighting for something more important than your own life, to make that moral stand. I salute those who do, but I don't condemn those who can't. The alternative is an army that not only enforces the law, but makes up their own rules as they go. And that's when things get really ugly. The Nuremburg principles aren't some magic pass that excuse you from following any order that opposes your values, all they really do is make it clear that you can't escape responsibility for obeying an evil command. Unless you win, then you get to write your own version of history.
I see both sides. in a way, let them have a nice hotel to sleep in and hang in to realize who really supports them. Then as they're shipped off to die, maybe they'll realize they shouldn't have blindly betrayed their country.
I'm so fucking sick of people like you.
The rank-and-file military didn't BETRAY their country, they are following orders or else they'd be COURT-MARTIALED. What did you want them to do? Shoot up the WH? I don't see you storming capitals, so don't you dare call our troops betrayers when you don't know fucking jack.
Did they, or didn't they take an oath to uphold the Constitution? Enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC, no?
If they're told all Trump voters are terrorists and they have to slaughter them, follow orders?
C'mon, man!
I wish I could find an old essay I read from a retired Colonel. It was in the vein of why the military would comply with gun confiscation orders.
He argued that the military would never refuse an illegal order (like gun confiscation) because their training focused on discipline and following orders and never even broaches the topic of how to resist an illegal order. He sited a bunch of times throughout history where service members obeyed illegal orders, including blatant ones.
In the military, obedience and discipline are more important than oaths and loyalty.
Well said, I've seen numerous people on here claim that the military or police would never follow orders to confiscate guns. Simply not true at all, they WILL follow those orders.
Agreed. Which is why if they are told to take the guns they WILL take them. They will just be "following orders!" as an excuse to do it too. Just look at the bootlickers in the comments. I get the idea of following orders but if you are given the order to shoot Americans how could you in good conscience obey that?? I would rather be court-martialed than do something that heinous. Yet we have people in the comments saying that would be justified because they would just be following orders lol.
But that’s pre-Holocaust. Nuremberg ended “just following orders”.
See: The Bonus Army. Gen. MacArthur uses tanks and bayonets to clear out veterans camping in D.C. looking for their WWI promised bonuses.
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/73642/1932-us-army-kicks-us-veterans-out-washington
'Just following orders' isn't a defense either.
People are the top just shitting on people at the bottom either way I guess.
This so much. I'm so used to everything being extremely cucked these days, so it wouldn't surprise me if military bends over and acts cucked as well.
They took an oath to defend "our greatest ally"
*is POTUS
They don't get to decide who the enemy is.
I'll call it exactly as it is. The national guard, everyone in the military, has a duty and oath to uphold the Constitution. They refused to do so, and while the top ranks of course deserve more blame, everyone has a choice.
I guess you support the targeting of anyone in the military who is a republican or has supported Trump. And fuck off, I've said before, I've done more than you and I'll put my knowledge up against yours or anyone else who wants to attack what I've done for the country. I don't need to know your resume for me to be confident in mine.
The glow is strong in this one
Will you be saying that when they show up on your doorstep to escort you to the boxcar?
Get the fuck out of here with your boxcar bullshit. If it's that bad, why haven't YOU done something? I'll tell you why, because you're a weak little cuck who bashes soldiers for things you wouldn't dare do yourself. You'd prefer they would have died mounting an assault on capital hill. You're a pathetic excuse of an American.
That was a rather long-winded way of saying "yes."
Another bootlicker here making excuses for treason. Very sad.
These people are retarded. They think it's 1856 and you can take over America by seizing 3 or 4 buildings.
The military probably voted 80% for Trump and most would die for him if there was a target to go after. But there just isn't. It's social media, mainstream media, heads of armed forces, heads of 3 letter agencies, RINOs, Dems, Governors, Dominion, local judges, etc., etc.
Excellent point. The targets are embedded in a LOT of places.
It's a hydra. If you cut off one head, you just draw the ire of the other heads.
You have to starve the beast.
Military ballots were over 90% Biden
What a terrible attempt at bullshitting 😂
Lmao. Except to my knowledge there's literally no such thing as a "military ballot". The military will get absentee ballots, which are indistinguishable from any other absentee ballot. Maybe one state has specific "military ballots".
Of course you would know this if you weren't a cowardly faggot who never served, or you actually bothered to ever learn anything and didn't just read bullshit conspiracy fake news, like a brainless NPC.
Don't label the lower rank and file as blindly betraying their country. Often they know little of why they are doing something. They just know that they are told to do it.
You are thinking like a civilian with civilian liberties. They don't have those options.
Ah, so “just following orders”.....
When they're just told the put us into reeducation camps, they'll just be doing what they're told as well.
I was living at Fort Lewis when Lt. Watada refused to deploy to Iraq because he sincerely believed it was an immoral order. The brass fucking destroyed him. The troops on the line really don't have a choice. Not only is "just following orders" part of the separation of powers, it's not practical to resist when it will get you in just as much trouble as if you had participated in a war crime. It takes exceptional courage, and a belief that you're fighting for something more important than your own life, to make that moral stand. I salute those who do, but I don't condemn those who can't. The alternative is an army that not only enforces the law, but makes up their own rules as they go. And that's when things get really ugly. The Nuremburg principles aren't some magic pass that excuse you from following any order that opposes your values, all they really do is make it clear that you can't escape responsibility for obeying an evil command. Unless you win, then you get to write your own version of history.
"they know little of why they are doing it"
"they just know they're told to do it"
"they dont have the option to refuse"
sounds like... blindly betraying their country then, doesn't it? How do any of those things change it lol
Fuck-off you lunatic shill.
Not a valid rebuttal.