Yeah, I mean, I don't really have a better idea, I'm just not really convinced it's going to do anything.
Yet...
This is how things will go. People are already talking about voting people out, forgetting the elections are rigged. And they're talking about ways to get a republican majority, forgetting that even most republicans are part of the uniparty, and a republican majority does nothing.
Even most of the people here don't really believe reality is what it is. Even after it's been made clear as day. And of course there are lots of subverters helping them to forget.
I do not agree with or understand the pessimistic and seemingly one-track thinking that permeates these forums. Are you implying you are a subversive if you are an optimist who hopes for constructive change and justice through nonviolent means, and still believes this is achievable?
Yes, the fraud was covered up, but it hasn’t gone away. What was done is an incalculable, outrageous evil and an attack on all we know and love, an attack on the Constitution and America. Our federal government is the second most corrupt in the world (number two to China). But we still have options that do not escalate. The founders did not jump to shooting British soldiers after many harsh actions and usurpations. We all need to keep cool and collect ourselves, resist and prepare. And we need to try to still work the system, especially locally. There are a handful of options we all should be preparing for. I get the impression some here believe people are too stupid to walk and chew gum at the same time.
The future is uncertain, we are currently disorganized and leaderless, and far too many of us are demoralized. Whatever happens must rebuild ourselves first, then act however we can on every possible option. We need to be positive and helpful to each other, not haters and losers. Pessimism and dissension help nothing.
If we were starving in the desert, or at Valley Forge, or any other similar situation, I would hope to not be with the types of whiners I see here so I wouldn’t have to see them give up and die, and maybe take me down with them in the process.
Are you implying you are a subversive if you are an optimist who hopes for constructive change and justice through nonviolent means, and still believes this is achievable?
Umm no, subversives are shills, leftists, establishment Gop supporters, grifters who make money off of the way things are, etc trying to manipulate people in to doing the wrong things.
But you are a fool. How is voting in a rigged election going to change anything? It's not. If they rig the voting, there is nothing you can do. Unless you want to become subversives yourself and wait decades, slowly taking over what you can. Which is technically possible, I suppose, but extremely unlikely to happen.
And especially now for a number of reasons. Those who have already done so know how to do it better than you, and they are very cognizant of the possibility. And with the power of modern technology, they already collect data on every single person in the country, and probably on Earth. They can then use this information to weed out potential subverters. So likely anyone who has had any presence on the internet in the last decade or more would be unable to even subvert. So at the very least it will take a new generation to even begin subversion, and that's if you can start a movement to keep people off of social media and other places where data can be collected on them, so that you have a pool of people who are even capable of subverting. Good luck getting that going.
And that's provided you even wanted to subvert. Personally, I don't. I think it's a sick and disgusting thing. As far as I'm concerned, it is torture on a massive scale. None of these subverters or subverted people are enjoying themselves. It's an act of war in the modern era. Subverters should be eradicated. But I'm not advocating violence of course. And it wouldn't really be possible anyway, because you won't know who they are.
I'm all ears for suggestions on how to do something about this, but pretending ineffectual things are helping and dedicating your time and energy to them is not only delusional, it actually wastes everyone's time, energy, and money doing nothing of value. In other words, actively helps the other side.
I thought we were totally fucked in the long run before this election cycle, and now after it, I had no idea how bad it really was. It is unfathomable to me. And things are trending worse. The left is already okay with the fraud, and new generations are being indoctrinated at an alarming rate and to an alarming degree. All media, schools, entertainment, everything is firmly under their grip. Maybe even more firmly now that MAGA people are labeled terrorists. Soon the purge of alternative media will begin, citing fear of terrorism as an excuse. And then there will be even less of a chance.
So again, I'm all ears. But blind optimism, or wasting your time running on the uniparty hamster wheel, pretending republicans are really republicans is a waste of time. Literally doing anything else would help them less, even if it wouldn't do much in the way of stopping anything.
And here in Canada, we're even more fucked. The only thing preventing us from slipping in to complete insanity was America. The other day, Ezra Levant of Rebel was fined $3000 for writing a book called The Libranos, which compared the Trudeau Liberals to The Sopranos, or the mob in general. That's right, someone was fined for writing a book that was negative about our leader, in a supposed free country. And they did this to the most prominent anti-establishment media figure. And nobody cares even a little bit. In fact, 99.9% of people likely don't even know about it, and if they did, they'd shrug their shoulders. That's what you're in for at the very least. And there is no stopping it. You can tell as many people as you want, but it's a waste of time. They will side against you. They will assume it is a good thing and that you are lying or have been mislead. They will only realize when it's far too late to do anything, if at all.
A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, he will refuse to believe it, until he [receives] a kick in his fat-bottom. When a military boot crashes his balls then he will understand. But not before that. That’s the [tragedy] of the situation of demoralization.”
All due respect, it seems you just admitted you are a Canadian. Were you just trying to point out since your situation is hopeless, so is America’s?
There is great irony that you are a Canadian disseminating a defeatist attitude on an America first forum, calling me and others who think like me a fool for wanting to remain active, prepare, organize, stop the fraud, and vote —how many others like you are foreigners telling us not to vote? Amazing. And you say subversion is nauseating. And you quote Yuri.
Everyone reading this forum should first ask where all these people with rotten attitudes are from.
Firstly, no one said not to do whatever possible to stop fraud. There are still legal means to fix the vote. And whether or not to support the old or a new party is up in the air right now. There are no details, no public information or support for either path, and fraud has to be first on the table.
Edit: Doesn’t Canada have multiple parties? A citizen of a failed state that splits the vote between multiple parties thinks we should give up and/or vote third party. Peak foreign socialist subversion.
Edit 2: At least you were honest about where you come from. I am amazed at you. Foreign nationals are subverting this forum and being magnified by huge upvote ratios. You are legion.
It seems I just admitted? It's not something I hide you dumb shit. I talk about it all the time. It's irrelevant to the discussion though, but you can think otherwise if it makes you feel better.
It's funny how you just concentrate on something stupid like this, instead of addressing anything I said. Because you don't have any real solutions. You can't address anything I said, other than with "just be optimistic for no reason".
You may think your optimism is helpful, but it's not. People need to come up with real solutions. They won't do that if they get focused on things that won't work. Your optimism isn't about fixing the problem, it's about making you feel better about reality. Having everyone commit their time, energy, and money to something that has literally 0% chance of working, but pretend that it does is not going to help anyone, other than comfort them by deluding them in to thinking reality isn't as bleak as it is.
And I never said not to vote, that's retarded. Obviously you should vote, just don't expect it to do anything. Traditional means have been exhausted. You say there are still ways to fix the vote, but you don't get specific, because it's just blind optimism, and you don't even know whether it's true or how it could be achieved.
For the third time, I'm all ears for solutions. And instead of calling my valid criticisms of your plans pessimism, find some way to actually address the issue.
PS Yuri was from a shithole communist country. Will you discount what he says because his "rotten mindset" comes from a foreign country? Ever think that maybe people who are in an advanced stage are more tuned in to reality, and less delusionally optimistic? Optimism without a basis is placation that breeds inaction or futile action.
Fair enough. What do you think Americans should do? What are the “non traditional options”? You want to see us fight Civil War 2?
If you know anything about Yuri, you would know he advocated for nonviolent religious revolt through church, embracing free principles, and local political activism.
You claim I have no specifics, yet I have seen nothing specific from people like you, besides violence, which is surely impossible for most Americans due to lack of organization and resources. You seem to think we all have guns, a stash of ammo, buddies to fight beside, and ample supplies for a siege with the Feds.
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Yet...
I do not agree with or understand the pessimistic and seemingly one-track thinking that permeates these forums. Are you implying you are a subversive if you are an optimist who hopes for constructive change and justice through nonviolent means, and still believes this is achievable?
Yes, the fraud was covered up, but it hasn’t gone away. What was done is an incalculable, outrageous evil and an attack on all we know and love, an attack on the Constitution and America. Our federal government is the second most corrupt in the world (number two to China). But we still have options that do not escalate. The founders did not jump to shooting British soldiers after many harsh actions and usurpations. We all need to keep cool and collect ourselves, resist and prepare. And we need to try to still work the system, especially locally. There are a handful of options we all should be preparing for. I get the impression some here believe people are too stupid to walk and chew gum at the same time.
The future is uncertain, we are currently disorganized and leaderless, and far too many of us are demoralized. Whatever happens must rebuild ourselves first, then act however we can on every possible option. We need to be positive and helpful to each other, not haters and losers. Pessimism and dissension help nothing.
If we were starving in the desert, or at Valley Forge, or any other similar situation, I would hope to not be with the types of whiners I see here so I wouldn’t have to see them give up and die, and maybe take me down with them in the process.
Umm no, subversives are shills, leftists, establishment Gop supporters, grifters who make money off of the way things are, etc trying to manipulate people in to doing the wrong things.
But you are a fool. How is voting in a rigged election going to change anything? It's not. If they rig the voting, there is nothing you can do. Unless you want to become subversives yourself and wait decades, slowly taking over what you can. Which is technically possible, I suppose, but extremely unlikely to happen.
And especially now for a number of reasons. Those who have already done so know how to do it better than you, and they are very cognizant of the possibility. And with the power of modern technology, they already collect data on every single person in the country, and probably on Earth. They can then use this information to weed out potential subverters. So likely anyone who has had any presence on the internet in the last decade or more would be unable to even subvert. So at the very least it will take a new generation to even begin subversion, and that's if you can start a movement to keep people off of social media and other places where data can be collected on them, so that you have a pool of people who are even capable of subverting. Good luck getting that going.
And that's provided you even wanted to subvert. Personally, I don't. I think it's a sick and disgusting thing. As far as I'm concerned, it is torture on a massive scale. None of these subverters or subverted people are enjoying themselves. It's an act of war in the modern era. Subverters should be eradicated. But I'm not advocating violence of course. And it wouldn't really be possible anyway, because you won't know who they are.
I'm all ears for suggestions on how to do something about this, but pretending ineffectual things are helping and dedicating your time and energy to them is not only delusional, it actually wastes everyone's time, energy, and money doing nothing of value. In other words, actively helps the other side.
I thought we were totally fucked in the long run before this election cycle, and now after it, I had no idea how bad it really was. It is unfathomable to me. And things are trending worse. The left is already okay with the fraud, and new generations are being indoctrinated at an alarming rate and to an alarming degree. All media, schools, entertainment, everything is firmly under their grip. Maybe even more firmly now that MAGA people are labeled terrorists. Soon the purge of alternative media will begin, citing fear of terrorism as an excuse. And then there will be even less of a chance.
So again, I'm all ears. But blind optimism, or wasting your time running on the uniparty hamster wheel, pretending republicans are really republicans is a waste of time. Literally doing anything else would help them less, even if it wouldn't do much in the way of stopping anything.
And here in Canada, we're even more fucked. The only thing preventing us from slipping in to complete insanity was America. The other day, Ezra Levant of Rebel was fined $3000 for writing a book called The Libranos, which compared the Trudeau Liberals to The Sopranos, or the mob in general. That's right, someone was fined for writing a book that was negative about our leader, in a supposed free country. And they did this to the most prominent anti-establishment media figure. And nobody cares even a little bit. In fact, 99.9% of people likely don't even know about it, and if they did, they'd shrug their shoulders. That's what you're in for at the very least. And there is no stopping it. You can tell as many people as you want, but it's a waste of time. They will side against you. They will assume it is a good thing and that you are lying or have been mislead. They will only realize when it's far too late to do anything, if at all.
All due respect, it seems you just admitted you are a Canadian. Were you just trying to point out since your situation is hopeless, so is America’s?
There is great irony that you are a Canadian disseminating a defeatist attitude on an America first forum, calling me and others who think like me a fool for wanting to remain active, prepare, organize, stop the fraud, and vote —how many others like you are foreigners telling us not to vote? Amazing. And you say subversion is nauseating. And you quote Yuri.
Everyone reading this forum should first ask where all these people with rotten attitudes are from.
Firstly, no one said not to do whatever possible to stop fraud. There are still legal means to fix the vote. And whether or not to support the old or a new party is up in the air right now. There are no details, no public information or support for either path, and fraud has to be first on the table.
Edit: Doesn’t Canada have multiple parties? A citizen of a failed state that splits the vote between multiple parties thinks we should give up and/or vote third party. Peak foreign socialist subversion.
Edit 2: At least you were honest about where you come from. I am amazed at you. Foreign nationals are subverting this forum and being magnified by huge upvote ratios. You are legion.
It seems I just admitted? It's not something I hide you dumb shit. I talk about it all the time. It's irrelevant to the discussion though, but you can think otherwise if it makes you feel better.
It's funny how you just concentrate on something stupid like this, instead of addressing anything I said. Because you don't have any real solutions. You can't address anything I said, other than with "just be optimistic for no reason".
You may think your optimism is helpful, but it's not. People need to come up with real solutions. They won't do that if they get focused on things that won't work. Your optimism isn't about fixing the problem, it's about making you feel better about reality. Having everyone commit their time, energy, and money to something that has literally 0% chance of working, but pretend that it does is not going to help anyone, other than comfort them by deluding them in to thinking reality isn't as bleak as it is.
And I never said not to vote, that's retarded. Obviously you should vote, just don't expect it to do anything. Traditional means have been exhausted. You say there are still ways to fix the vote, but you don't get specific, because it's just blind optimism, and you don't even know whether it's true or how it could be achieved.
For the third time, I'm all ears for solutions. And instead of calling my valid criticisms of your plans pessimism, find some way to actually address the issue.
PS Yuri was from a shithole communist country. Will you discount what he says because his "rotten mindset" comes from a foreign country? Ever think that maybe people who are in an advanced stage are more tuned in to reality, and less delusionally optimistic? Optimism without a basis is placation that breeds inaction or futile action.
Fair enough. What do you think Americans should do? What are the “non traditional options”? You want to see us fight Civil War 2?
If you know anything about Yuri, you would know he advocated for nonviolent religious revolt through church, embracing free principles, and local political activism.
You claim I have no specifics, yet I have seen nothing specific from people like you, besides violence, which is surely impossible for most Americans due to lack of organization and resources. You seem to think we all have guns, a stash of ammo, buddies to fight beside, and ample supplies for a siege with the Feds.