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PraiseBeToScience -2 points ago +4 / -6

Even outside of Q I can't believe how many religious nutwads around here literally believe God is going to magically fix everything for them.

Mother fucker when has God actually intervened in the last two millennia? If he happily let millions of lives be wiped out in the early and mid 20th century them he sure as fuck isn't going to lift a fucking finger over immigration policy.

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The_Shadow_of_Intent 5 points ago +5 / -0

The creation and flourishing of a truly free country was a miracle. That's one answer.

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PraiseBeToScience 1 point ago +1 / -0

The biblical definition of miracle is "an event in the external world brought about by the immediate agency or the simple volition of God".

That was not the American Revolution. That was a shitload of hard work and pain and suffering.

You can't just fucking claim 'anything good was clearly a miracle and due to God', but whatever, you all are experts in somehow handwaving away all the bad shit God clearly has responsibility for but you refuse to accept.

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The_Shadow_of_Intent 1 point ago +1 / -0

Genesis promises everything in life is hard work and suffering. That's expected. But the United States is an unprecedented historical event based on Christian Protestant concepts of freedom and standing totally outside the normal currents of human behavior.