Which is easier? Form a 3rd Party or Primary the RINOs out of town?
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I actually think the time is right for third party. Yeah, we could keep tearing up the Rs from within, but we won't get any centrist Democrats with them. We need people from across the political spectrum to help us save America. A Third Party that is pro-gun, pro-free speech, pro-Constitution, pro-Environment, Anti-Globalist, anti-Big Tech, Anti-Big Pharma, Anti-Big Finance, Anti-Oil War will draw in a lot of voters. It's literally putting the best aspects of both party in one. Populism.
There is no such thing as a centrist democrat. They are all authoritarian communists. Rush has been trying to explain this to people for 30 years.
I know several moderate Democrats, actually. Most of them voted for Trump.
And I hate to point this out, but you were wise to leave abortion out of the platform. Folks, I know a lot of conservatives have strong feelings about abortion, but it is the quickest, easiest way to lose young women. I really think it's an issue we should leave alone.
I know. I think focusing on stopping late-term abortion, which is horrible and barbaric is good enough, and then also rather than focusing on banning the act of abortion, even very early term, let's work on REAL solutions to birth control, getting rid of what reasons people abort as we can, like lack of funds for the actual birth, fighting the social trend of being unwilling to have married relationships, fighting the propaganda that being a parent is so terrible and such a burden that the Left loves to promote, etc etc etc.
Agree 100%
Also we are forming a second party. There is only one party at the top.
Good point.
It's all in how you frame the fight. Show thousands of aborted baby pictures and say fighting for your right too. Make them see the damage they have done. Republicans have been scared to do this. They always lose the fight by not fighting.
That's already been done ad nauseum and it doesn't work and actually offends people. Guilting people and calling them murderers is not the answer, because if it was, there wouldn't be abortion any more since that's what anti-abortion activists have been screaming for 50 years. Trying to understand what factors make a person do it and remedying those is the answer.
This. BIGLY.
new party time, the energy is there.
a coalition inside the republican party was tried, it was called the tea party. people will hear it a coalition within and go meh, business as usual.
a grand opening of a new party will draw everyone who is sick and tired of repub vs dem.
will democrats win after forming a new party? the answer is yes in the short term while the new party absorbs the old party's supporters but in the long term, it will crush the uni-party and save our country.
That's right because just about everybody IS sick and tired of both parties, because they're both just evil and working for the evil purposes of people we don't even elect.
I think it's easier to form a third party, because we are easily fooled by RINOs who claim to be otherwise. A lot of them come in looking solid and then evaporate on us later, but they know once they are in the GOP club, they get part of that huge, sweet slush fund.
A third party is like an ESCROW ACCOUNT. Think of it that way. The money is there, and the GOP can see it, but not get at it. We pay into that third party like a renter paying into an escrow account till that leaky roof is fixed.
Because the GOP keeps telling us: Donate, and we'll fight!
What we should be telling them is: WIN, and then we'll donate.
We may have to see the GOP lose to the DNC for a while. This is painful till you realize that the GOP doesn't really accomplish anything anyway. As many have pointed out, they LIKE being the minority opposition. They put on a show (like Cruz's endless hearings of Big Tech) but nothing happens.
And remember how happy we were about Mitch's judges? Till we saw that those judges were no more conservative than Mitch and Pence?
Watching money pour into a new third party might be the slap in the face they need.
Its not a third party... its a second party.
Dominion voting machines gone. Rinos fall quickly. 3rd party don’t work
Oh, you'd be surprised at how a lot of people will STILL vote for Mitt Romney even after all the evil shit he's done.
Or is it Dominion voting for him ?
As far as cheating goes, it's Mormon Utah and he fools them by pretending to be this devout Mormon. And even without machines, considering his power in Utah, his corrupt donors/allies would probably cheat with the paper ballots, too.
"Easier?" That's not the right question to ask.
"More effective at taking back our country" is the standard by which we should measure the desirability of forming a new party.
We know we can not trust the RNC at all, and we will be able to sway independent voters just as if not more effectively as a third party.
Remember, this is Trump leading a third party....it won't be a low energy Libertarian or Green party type organization that is essentially a debate club, it will be a vital, active, high energy movement. We have the numbers, the energy, the vision, and the leadership.
Let's do this.
I would also would argue thinking about practicality issues on top of all of that too. The best solution in the world is useless if there is not a clear and practical way to get there. We know our long-term goals of MAGA and defeating the traitors within our country. We need to figure out our practical and achievable short and mid-terms goals to get there.
I actually don't think we need Trump to lead this party. In fact, I think it would be better to not have the GEOTUS lead this party. We need a fresh start and fresh branding. It actually does not help us to be seen as "Trump supporters" "Trump Party" because then we are defined by every word the GEOTUS says and every action. That's not helpful actually because we can't control his actions. But we can control a party platform and brand it and control that brand if it's not associated with one person, especially a larger than life person like Donald Trump. If he focuses on creating a media platform that allows real free speech and exposure of our political party and platform, that is the best way he could serve the country no, IMO.
Second party
In reality, yes. The Uniparty needs real opposition.
It's better to take out the RINO's and anyone that revealed themselves as traitors from within, that way you don't split the vote and insure a Dim win. Infiltrate and obliterate
Worked great with the tea party and this time with the MAGA insurgency... oh wait... its so infested that they eventually get sidelined and co-opted...
Primarily the RINOS and here’s why. In the GOP the nationalists are the BASE. This isn’t an 50/50 or 70/30 split either. This is an 80/20 split AT WORST in favor for the nationalists within the Republican Party. (Note: when I say nationalist I mean American not based off ethnic lines). We have all the power in the world to push out these internationalist cocksuckers like Romney and Bush from the party like the LOSERS they are. Give the GOP some backbone, and that is our quickest path to victory.
We might as well join the democrats, and fk their party up from the inside out...hit their primaries, change the message, change the candidate...just don't pick the worst candidate they got, that's the intended winner...weird huh
seriously, I vote we Clean the GOP House
Probably easier to primary them and take over the party but it would require complete removal of many in the party from Romneys niece leading the RNC all the way down to the local level of who picks, supports, and funds the candidates. For me we were stuck with RINO Peter King who just passed the torch to some local party guys son who looks like a real ball less do nothing. Third party would be the way but I,m sure the laws would make it very difficult
If they control the vote, it just doesn't fucking matter how many parties there are.
What about a coalition within the Republican Party. The Patriot Coalition.
Because we would still have a hard time keeping their hands off money meant for the Patriots.
We can possibly woo the staunchest MAGA reps that are currently Republicans, like Green, Boebert, maybe even Hawley. And here's the thing. Let's say we only get some Third party candidates into the Congress and there are still numerous Republicans. Our party's reps and those MAGA Republicans could still unite and vote together on issues and most likely would.
Hold on a sec. A third party would destroy the base. Too many moderates, centrists, independent , evangelicals and Catholics would be alienated. The smartest thing to do is take over the Republican party with a huge MAGA caucus within the party. Ride the republican infrastructure and use it. Dont fund it. Infiltrate the party at local levels and work to push MAGA candidates.
How would we alienate people by being what they want? Republicans pretty much just absorb, divide, infiltrate, pay off and then disassemble breakaway conservative factions. They do it to every single group with the help of the Democrats. Why? Well, because they ARE Democrats. Haven't you figured that out yet?
One simple question since you seem to have a degree in political science.....when in history of this country has a 3rd party ever gained the momentum or majority base to take over a party? Never!! Wise up. Dont you see how the progressives took control of the Dem party? They did it from within! Your opinion is appreciated and your desire for change is commendable, but your way of going about it is sure to invite disaster.
H. Ross Perot. And I'm not sure why the snark about political science degrees. I'm debating with my opinions based on what I've seen and what I pick up from the mood of people right now. I have the right to do that on this forum just like everyone else.
Carry on, my friend.
It's close.
I am not a gop fan but primarying the swine us a lot easier.
Perhaps form a solid Patriot caucus within the Republican party and overtake it.
Depends on who’s counting the votes.