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CSIS_CIA_pure-evil 25 points ago +25 / -0

The oil will travel by train. Look for headlines like:

America's favorite investor (Warren Buffet) has invested heavily in moving oil by rail, but he hasn't done enough to address the inherent safety issues.

Oil by rail is a crime.

Problem is that towns were built around railway stops, and expanded from there. When a train full of oil derails in a town, it gets incinerated.

Search Lac-Mégantic to see what happens.

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elvisbird 5 points ago +5 / -0

💥 boom

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FLYWHEEL_PRIME 3 points ago +4 / -1

Oil by rail is not a crime, what a stupid fucking statement. You've got entire companies like Kinder Morgan built around distribution by rail and storage. You can move ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more oil on rail than you can by OTR.

If you want to bitch about something, bitch about poor distribution networks and lack of infrastructure investment over the last 50 years.

The fewer semi trucks on the road, the better, for a huge number of reasons.

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Mashiki 1 point ago +1 / -0

You can move ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more oil on rail than you can by OTR.

That only works if there is capacity on the rail network itself. The fact that prior to Trudeau, CP and CN(the big rail networks in Canada), were starting to build new links to transport oil and then stopped should tell you what happened.

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FLYWHEEL_PRIME 1 point ago +1 / -0

I get that, which is why I had another qualifier in there specifically about companies like Kinder Morgan. I used to do pressure vessel work out west at their railyards, and taking to some of their management about capacities was just mind boggling.

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Mashiki 1 point ago +1 / -0

Search Lac-Mégantic to see what happens.

That was rather interesting, since the derailment did what normally happens in a diesel engine. The crude was put into a highly combustible state(partial vaporization) by the force of the derailment, round out that it was contaminated with benzene due to the derailment as well you basically had a one in a million case of shit going bad. All preventable of course, the railway didn't even do the most basic repair work like fixing the turbochargers properly.

Crude explosions like that are very rare. It's why you can dump a gallon of diesel on the ground, and struggle to light it on fire.