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englishpleb [S] 23 points ago +23 / -0

Both state and county level secessions. Leave them with minimal landmass, and reacquire them later when their policies run them into the ground. This will be one of the more peaceful ways of forcing a confrontation we can win.

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NullifyAndSecede 15 points ago +15 / -0

Separation is a peaceful act.

Unity requires the force of violence.

Men are dunces for uniting to sustain any government, or any laws, except those in which they are all agreed. And nothing but force and fraud compel men to sustain any other. - Lysander Spooner

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Tripin 2 points ago +2 / -0

And revoke shill billionaire properties. For example, all the farm land Bill Gates purchased.

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clarkisland 8 points ago +8 / -0

Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakotas, Saskatchewan, and Alberta for starters. I don’t care what happens to everyone else.

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englishpleb [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

If that's all the territory, then you basically have a huge corrupt communist state as a neighbor looking for the first opportunity to bear down on you. Think about how the globalist cabal through use of China corrupted our systems, except now China's next door. There's just not enough to make it viable in the long term.

But if all red counties come along, they're the ones that are left without a viable foundation. Then it's negotiate or war, and the latter would be very detrimental for them given the percentage of Federal military power on red territories that will likely be co-opted by the seceding territories.

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clarkisland 1 point ago +1 / -0

You understand that using your line of thinking every square mile of the contiguous US would need to be under our control, right? You couldn’t allow for an enclave of blue territory because of the possibility of foreign occupation: There’s no need to fight for decades because there could possibly be a war in the future. That makes no sense at all.

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englishpleb [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

That's if they want to try to regain control using military might, but I doubt they would have enough willing soldiers. One of the weaknesses of a group solely out for themselves is that self-interest ends when one dies. So few if any with selfishness as a primary concern would want to die for the cause, which is what war requires. (See Machiavelli and mercenary armies. Also a reason why they want to accelerate ideological indoctrination, which is another reason why we can't wait another generation or two.) In addition, they also have the same problems for border control which we can use to our advantage. Once secession is accomplished, we can play a reverse UNO on their lax voting standards and have massive voting drives from our territories to theirs, changing them from within.

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NullifyAndSecede 8 points ago +8 / -0

Could the colonies secede from Britain?

As a matter of law, the Feds will claim that the union is sacred and indivisible.

As a matter of morality, we know this to be false.

Our strategy should be to make clear our desire to peacefully separate from our oppressors and force the feds to clearly resort to violence to enforce their unconscionable mandates.

Look back at the Civil Rights protests. They succeeded because most people are rightfully disgusted when they see well mannered, peaceful people brutalized at the hands of government.

This pattern repeats, and you can see it in the Boston massacre and other incidents leading up to our secession from Britain.

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guitarmastershredder 2 points ago +3 / -1

We will forfeit all of our treasure, families, and right to liberty if we fail.

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NullifyAndSecede 3 points ago +3 / -0
  • This government regularly takes our treasure and seeks to take more
  • This government is forcefully separating families via lockdowns
  • This government has become an enemy to liberty
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defiant_liberty 5 points ago +5 / -0

Can you even secede fragments of a state?

If I remember right, during the US civil war, several counties in Virginia went over to West Virginia (or visa versa). They didn't ask permission, they just did it.

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BillionsAndBillions 7 points ago +7 / -0

In fact Jefferson wrote the Virginia Constitution himself in such a way as to ensure that any counties could break off from the state at will without the permission of the state government, for the purpose of avoiding violent conflict.

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NullifyAndSecede 4 points ago +4 / -0

It's time to return to the Jeffersonian ideal of America.

Lincoln was a tyrant.

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BillionsAndBillions 4 points ago +4 / -0

Jefferson had his flaws as all men do, but I think he was a good man of principle ultimately. He was brilliant and we would not be what we are (were) without him. I have historical family ties with Jefferson and several other founders; so family stories and history are kinda intertwined with the founding fathers.

And yes, Lincoln was a tyrant. :)

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CrackerJack2 4 points ago +4 / -0

Anything is possible.
States can be cut up and, if agreed to, recombined. There is no law that, if the people will it, can't be changed or stricken.
The Wright brothers flew an airplane, even though almost all said it couldn't be done.

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BillionsAndBillions 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yes, you can secede portions of a state, and it has been done. Also laws don't matter, only power matters now. Welcome to the new world.

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eatcheese 1 point ago +1 / -0

We still have more people, don't buy the fraudulant dominion numbers.

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eatcheese 1 point ago +1 / -0

How many are willing to put forth effort to stay part?

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Trilby 3 points ago +3 / -0

So, all the red bits and none of the blue bits? Got it!

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SpezIsANazisCumRag 1 point ago +1 / -0

Or we can just drop all the lefties and globalists into the ocean and take back the entire country?

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NullifyAndSecede 3 points ago +3 / -0

There are 300 million individuals in the US.

Gonna need more pixels.

Once one concedes that a single world government is not necessary, then where does one logically stop at the permissibility of separate states? If Canada and the United States can be separate nations without being denounced as in a state of impermissible ‘anarchy’, why may not the South secede from the United States? New York State from the Union? New York City from the state? Why may not Manhattan secede? Each neighbourhood? Each block? Each house? Each person?

― Murray N. Rothbard

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Jeeperyj 2 points ago +2 / -0

Texas to Alberta Canada.

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RageBringer 2 points ago +2 / -0

Secession needs to be at the COUNTY level.

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Panhandle4Trump 1 point ago +1 / -0

You can have Cali, Vermont, mass, and nyc. Fuck off commies.

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canadianamerican 1 point ago +1 / -0

the real red is much more.

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CrackerJack2 0 points ago +1 / -1

The word "LAW" comes from "WALL", as backwards "WALL" is "LLAW."
LAWS originated as rules inside the walled cities, or villages.
Outlaws were people outside of the walls.
Just draw a line around the cities and say to them, they can have their laws, but DON'T force your retarded laws on the rest of us.

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englishpleb [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

I would agree with you if it was only Texas and a few states, see my other comment on this thread. But given the amount of red territories, I believe we can maintain most of our economic and military might- economic activity of cities are mostly decimated anyway due to poor COVID policies by blue leaders. And again, once these territories are under the control of clean leadership, we'll have much more options in acquiring the few blue territories- negotiation in holding fair elections, taking advantage of their lax voting laws to flood into them when they have elections and changing them from within, in addition to the military option.

Think of it as a purging of the corrupt elements by taking out the good to reduce internal resistance, organizing to clean out corruption from the outside, then reuniting.

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eatcheese 3 points ago +3 / -0

Blue states do nothing but hold us back. The entire intellectual property industry is nothing more than exploitation of other countries via our military and by selling access to the goods republicans make. It's like a giant money laundering scheme to democrat friends.

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eatcheese 2 points ago +2 / -0

This election was an embaressment, from the state's side.

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ACActual 2 points ago +2 / -0

Your forgetting they Stole your Election. The Democrats planned to have California, Oregon and another state threaten to susseed for bargaining power. We should at least have a Plan B if this shit breaks loose. Illegitimate Presidents don't usually work out.

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