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clarkisland 1 point ago +1 / -0

You understand that using your line of thinking every square mile of the contiguous US would need to be under our control, right? You couldn’t allow for an enclave of blue territory because of the possibility of foreign occupation: There’s no need to fight for decades because there could possibly be a war in the future. That makes no sense at all.

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englishpleb [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

That's if they want to try to regain control using military might, but I doubt they would have enough willing soldiers. One of the weaknesses of a group solely out for themselves is that self-interest ends when one dies. So few if any with selfishness as a primary concern would want to die for the cause, which is what war requires. (See Machiavelli and mercenary armies. Also a reason why they want to accelerate ideological indoctrination, which is another reason why we can't wait another generation or two.) In addition, they also have the same problems for border control which we can use to our advantage. Once secession is accomplished, we can play a reverse UNO on their lax voting standards and have massive voting drives from our territories to theirs, changing them from within.