I would have thought there would be more talk about seceding on here. It really is our only answer. There will be nothing left after 4 years of Biden, shit maybe 1 the rate they are going.

There will be nothing left. How more obvious that we cannot live together than watching the last 4 years be undone so quickly? There is zero middle ground now to compromise. Everything points towards a world that I am no longer a part of. It makes me sick to think we must suffer 4 more years and likely for the rest of our lives.

Urban does not represent rural. It never has and it never will. The only way a third party works is if the socialists and moderate Democrats have a true split and stop caucassing. I don't see that happening. A third party guarantees our destruction. Better play is to fully take over the GOP and take out the Rinos. Also, to ensure all Rhinos running red states are gone.

But honestly, I think the only answer is a negotiated divorce. West Coast, New York/New Jersey/Connecticut region and the rest goes to us. PS let them have Puerto Rico. That's a corrupt shit hole anyway.

I do not think we can wait two years and think we will flip the house and senate. HB 1 is already set to ensure we don't win as it has Universal mail in voting.

I'm just trying to stimulate this conversation. I think it is an important conversation. We need some hope. Minus "the plan" happening the next few months, then we know we are fucked and military is just too damn corrupted at leadership level. I still have hope of some plan. My deadline is about March or if all National Guard is pulled out with no action on the election.

I think a choice has to be made and it needs to happen will before 2022. I don't think we can both effectively try to secede and try to retake house and senate.

I would love to hear more thoughts and opinions.