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donald_lincoln 1 point ago +2 / -1

First off, if they rigged the presidential election, got caught, and had zero consequences, there’s no fixing that. Every branch of government is corrupt to the core. Second off, this guy voted to certify the results of the above mentioned rigged election. Now he’s talking tough and you wanna trust him? No, we need to gut the government and rebuild it. There is no other way.

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Orangelightsinwindow [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

State legislatures, governors, and the house became more conservative this election. Having the election stolen is a crime that will never be punished. But ass hurt won't change it. Very real changes at the state level could clean up elections like they did in Florida and deliver huge wins for conservatives.

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donald_lincoln 1 point ago +1 / -0

“Ass hurt” is a severe misunderstanding of the situation, and your interpretation is frankly naive. It’s not about “boo boo the bad guys weren’t punished”, it’s about, they have ALL OF THE CONTROL OVER EVERYTHING. The courts, congress, literally everything. Based on state laws at the time of the election, this fraud shouldn’t have been possible. But, they just decided to ignore the laws. You think the people have more control than they do. The Dems have NOTHING stopping them from stealing the next elections, and the next ones, etc. and nothing we do to state and local laws will stop this. How do you not understand this simple fact? We need a lot more than state and local election reform. And state legislatures, house and governors becoming “more conservative” would mean something if there wasn’t mostly a uniparty, and if they weren’t given to us as to appease us and get us to ignore the fact they we have no say anymore.

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Orangelightsinwindow [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

What you're describing is a very powerful narrative that is false. Elections aren't corrupt in all states and even in states where they are corrupt they aren't corrupt statewide. The stealing of the presidency was not widespread election fraud. It was VERY strategic and VERY targeted. Having a presidency stolen is dramatic, but elections can still be won in clean counties. So you rightfully characterize Republicans as uniparty hacks, no argument. But they're self-interested uniparty hacks. If they perceive that they will not win their next election because the people are only interested in election reform you better believe they will focus on election reform. Rand gets it. Others will too. All I'm suggesting is that we support real efforts for election reform. If it doesn't happen all is lost anyway. But I don't accept the narrative that all elections are rigged. It was very targeted. But all elections will be rigged by 2022 with no action taken soon. They already have a blueprint and the narrative is already taking hold in conservatives that there's no turing it around.