Yup. People on here represent the most diehard Trump fans. I know for a fact many traditional Republican voters wouldn’t vote for any 3rd party because they automatically think it can’t win.
It’d be a shitstorm for us, because there wouldn’t be any counterbalancing part to siphon votes away from the Democrats. Trump would basically have to strike a deal with some disaffected Democrats to make their own new party to take votes away from that establishment party
So because Ron DeSantis is a Republican, he is automatically bad?
If Trump doesn’t start a new party and remains a Republican and sticks with the GOP to reform it, will you say he’s a “guilty by association” and a “FAGGOT”?
Lol Trump cannot reform 95% of the party. At that point, it's not the GOP, if everyone is ousted. Start your new party, whoever follows can solidify their career as a politician.
I love de dantis. But if he stayed a republican while Trump started the patriot party, sorry, I wouldn't vote for him. I want America first.
95% seems like a gross overestimate. A lot of local and a decent number of state Republicans are good. Specific states and the federal level are the biggest problem.
My point with DeSantis is that the party doesn’t matter. It’s a label and is a good example of identity politics. A political party is just a platform for marketing and fundraising.
I don't think I'd go so far as to rather have more Radical Socialists like The Squad over RINOs that kowtow to the left and MSM.
What is wrong with Republican leaders? They can't back or defend the president because decorum? Fuck that! The left constantly let's their base act out of control and pretends to be civil. Trump showed the GOP how to fight, and the GOP showed they bought and paid for, in it for themselves, and unable or unwilling to fight back.
They think 3rd parties can't win because they generally can't. The game is rigged against anything beyond Democrats and Republicans by design. That's why i'm still for gutting the Republicans from the inside out and continuing to reform it by getting America First Republicans elected.
INB4 Doomercrats whining that elections don't matter.
That's why i'm still for gutting the Republicans from the inside out and continuing to reform it by getting America First Republicans elected.
That's basically what Trump did. Even convinced many moderate Democrats to vote for him who don't understand why "trannies of color" are suddenly more important than "jobs".
They've spent 4 years calling him Hitler and he got bigger share of minority votes then any Republican presidential candidate in 60 years. More red pills than one can swallow!
I really don’t know about that. Republicans all around are ecstatic about him. Fox is telling of how even traditional r’s say fuck it to the current party. What has to happen before any of that, though, are media companies that broadcast the truth. Oann is not enough. They’re great, but they’re only one. We need a yt equivalent. A platform for everybody. The issue is right now is that typical ventures that try to compete have way too many political videos and eventually create too much kinda fringe videos. I’m not saying don’t have them, but it must be advertised first and foremost as something more than politics. Attract mainstream content creators disaffected by incrementally fcked up monetization paywalls first. Build from there. And look up ze ronet. I’ve heard interesting stuff about it.
Someone’s downvoting you and it ain’t me. Anyway, truth is the only propaganda we need. But yeah, the country needs legit counters. That can be done by the people. Cameras everywhere. Feed made public. But yeah, it’s a tough order. There’s a lot, really. Pedes need to start making these things together. Propietary infrastructure needs to be done from the ground up, too. There’s lots. The silverlining is that there’s a lot of money to be made in this. That’s maybe all the incentive the people need..
I usually play devil’s advocate to try to ground people in reality lol. I’ve been telling people all day that a 3rd party isn’t easy and highlighting the challenges of it.
There’s a lot of people who don’t like that, but I think it’s important to consider
Hah. I see. It’s still worth it. Just lots to sort out, and it’s not wrong to point out challenges. If anything, it helps build the pp stronger. Strength through hardness. Trust in the pp.
That's the thing. I like rumble. Issue is, it's mostly politics. See, I watch a lot of politics. But it's not everybody's cup of tea. To compete with yt, it needs more than that. It needs content creators of all kinds.
According to Steven Miller Trump goal is TO win back the House and Senate in 2022, yet the Republicans want him gone from politics, period! Therefore, which is it?
As much as I dispise the RNC right now President Trump needs to get going on primarying the rinos out of their seats and that can't be done as a member of the Patriot party.. But to answert the question I would support anything he wanted to do without question. I trust him that much.
We've got much better folks in the wings than the worthless Rinos we've had from 2016 and before. If you can't see folks like Desantis and Noem doing a hell of a job and standing up to the media, while winning, then I don't know what to tell you. Just look at the folks running for president during the primaries in 2016, 2012 and 2008 and how much better of a crop we have. We nearly have pushed the Romney folks out. Toomey is retiring and there's a huge opportunity to get better folks in. It will be an uphill battle, but one the most determined I've seen Republican voters ever try to win. We just have to get into every Republican office we can, especially at the local level.
Also gotta think of the voters. I know for a fact there’s many republican-voters who would be uncomfortable voting for any 3rd party candidate due to the stigma alone that 3rd parties can’t win.
Getting the infrastructure in place would be the toughest part. Think of it like a startup business
You’d need offices across the country, diligent and loyal workers (thorough vetting process), marketing, massive fundraising drives, volunteers to canvas neighborhoods to test the viability of the party in specific local/state/federal districts.
And the 2 most difficult things would be getting a)trustyworthy candidates and b)finding friendly/fair ballot counters to prevent from a rigged vote
I honestly don’t think we could have all that by 2022.
Agreed. I try to be a voice of reason and think of the challenges and unintentional consequences of actions.
There’s people on here talking about making a new party without Trump. I think that’s a lot less viable and will bite us in the ass due to lack of strategizing.
And to put it another way: if a Patriot Party is formed, it would be a GREEN LIGHT for the Democrats to gain even more power. In every state. Because the GOP is the main wall stopping the Democrats complete and lasting take over if this country.
But it would also be lights out for the Right. We can't split the vote like that and just hand government to the Dems for the next decade or two as we fight it out for dominance.
What vote? There is no real voting, that's the point. Dems are going to take the next decade or two anyway. So let's get started with a new party, the hell with the R's, the good ones can switch parties and join us as they should!!!
If you are giving up two decades of control to the Dems, then what are you fighting for at that point? What's left.
The Dems are pushing to amnesty millions of illegals, to give statehood to DC and Puerto Rico, to pack the courts. We have to fight that if we want anything resembling a country.
Don't cut off your nose to spite your face, harness all this anger and energy to actually accomplish something.
We can both start a new party AND fight corruption, the two are not mutually exclusive at all.
We do not give up control of the next two decades, the Dems are usurping that by force. It will take a decade or two for the Patriot Party to start winning elections anyway.
The people who filter primaries answer to the highest bidder, I bet. The thing is, Trump doesn’t play dirty when it comes to that..... That said, since con fIicts of interests can be IegaI, there may be such means after all..... They wouldn’t dare fck with that can of worms, anyway, since it means setting the precedent. As far as I know, there is no such thing, and they are too much of a coward to set it themselves. It’s a house of cards.
I will not support any Republicans except for like the 4 that stood up up for Trump. The rest can go the way of Fox News. Goodbye WIG party and goodbye Republican Party.
Our NUMBER ONE GOAL still needs to be uncovering, proving and disseminating ELECTION FRAUD and changing election laws. All this divisive party talk is vengeful Useful Idiot waste of time distraction.
Plus, Biden’s manic destruction of everything Trump accomplished is a massive Red Pill event. Let’s focus on discrediting the current administration and stop exacting revenge on the GOP, who are the only legislators currently able to fight back this immediate socialist onslaught.
Secession will never be allowed to happen by the left that control the entire fed gov right now. Do you really think they'd let people vote their way out of their control? The left would either bribe or send the FBI to arrest any govoner who realistically pushes for succession. How's that work out for the South during the civil war? The feds would send in everything they have to stop it.
No, secession is a pipe dream when the globalist left owns everything in the Fed gov. Also, no govoner is going to risk their lives and families to try secession.
At this point, the only thing a patriot party would do is completely destroy republicans.... which I'm down for.
But it's 110% not going to put us in to a position to win a presidential election or even a substantial seat, for years and years and years.... and this is beyond even first fixing the fraud and cheating.
it's a MAJOR uphill battle, unless something is done about this past election.
Hell yes if he starts it . I won't never ever give a dime to the Republican Rhinos again . The last request we got was Saturday Jan.23rd. from the republican party. The envelope said Donald J Trump President of the US. Their using his name to get money for the Rhinos. I will help support any Party President Trump is in.
I’d prefer Lion Party because we have an animal theme going and lions are badass. Plus there is that sweet logo floating around this site that someone made.
Haha, I'd like to see a political cartoon, with a donkey and an elephant butting heads, and a lion in a crouching pose, ready to attack both of them!!!
The system is corrupt though and they have dominon as well as propaganda. As long as congress isn't purged and propaganda isn't wiped clean creating a party won't work.
What about coming at the problem a different way, what about A virtual Party, one that would Primary BOTH parties, clean up both sides of the congress.
Support Dem and Rep candidates that would hold to a Patriot pledge, maybe by a Patriot Pac?
Getting a new party going is costly, trying to clean up just one side of the congress ignores the fact that a bunch of bastards are sitting in the room with you.
Personally I would like to throw everything at getting Trump in office NOW, throw these people out. Find some brave judges that will hear the election fraud cases and go for it.
Republican party is weak. We are witnessing what a 2 party system gives. We, as humanity, are inherently selfish. Dems have grown so much over the last 50 because of the free shit promised. Nowadays, Republicans have gotten so soft (and by realizing promising free shit extends their career) they have moved left for personal gains. ESTABLISH TERM LIMITS FIRST THING!!!!
I don't think there is any path provided by the constitution for recalling state senators, but if your republican senator get's this impeachment trial vote wrong we should call local state legislature representative to legislate sanctions against those senators.
Could create state laws that penalizes a senator for failing resign in a period of time after some sort of public in state vote calling for the state senator to resign.
Term limits should be a priority and brought to the front of the conversation. I’m tired of these career politicians and I bet 90% of America is too. It needs to be done.
To answer the question,yes I would support it, but I no longer trust our voting system so would not be participating.
No. Trump should stay in the Republican Party and bend those corrupt fuckers over every chance he gets. The Party of Lincoln and Reagan deserve as much.
What good will a new party be if nobody is out fighting to make their voices heard?
We need to fix ourselves and hold the current politicians, educators, and businesses accountable if we want change.
Yup. People on here represent the most diehard Trump fans. I know for a fact many traditional Republican voters wouldn’t vote for any 3rd party because they automatically think it can’t win.
It’d be a shitstorm for us, because there wouldn’t be any counterbalancing part to siphon votes away from the Democrats. Trump would basically have to strike a deal with some disaffected Democrats to make their own new party to take votes away from that establishment party
It's not a 3rd party. The gop is now the second tier party. I would rather see far left socialists be elected, than Mcconnell or Crenshaw. Fuck em
DeSantis is a Republican. They’re not all the same
Don't care. Guilty by association. I don't care about Republicans. Who wants to be associated with Mcconnell? FAGGOTs?
So because Ron DeSantis is a Republican, he is automatically bad?
If Trump doesn’t start a new party and remains a Republican and sticks with the GOP to reform it, will you say he’s a “guilty by association” and a “FAGGOT”?
You’re so ignorant it’s unbelievable.
Lol Trump cannot reform 95% of the party. At that point, it's not the GOP, if everyone is ousted. Start your new party, whoever follows can solidify their career as a politician.
I love de dantis. But if he stayed a republican while Trump started the patriot party, sorry, I wouldn't vote for him. I want America first.
95% seems like a gross overestimate. A lot of local and a decent number of state Republicans are good. Specific states and the federal level are the biggest problem.
My point with DeSantis is that the party doesn’t matter. It’s a label and is a good example of identity politics. A political party is just a platform for marketing and fundraising.
I feel sure that DeSantis would join us in the Patriot Party!
Don’t put all your eggs in one basket
I don't think I'd go so far as to rather have more Radical Socialists like The Squad over RINOs that kowtow to the left and MSM.
What is wrong with Republican leaders? They can't back or defend the president because decorum? Fuck that! The left constantly let's their base act out of control and pretends to be civil. Trump showed the GOP how to fight, and the GOP showed they bought and paid for, in it for themselves, and unable or unwilling to fight back.
They think 3rd parties can't win because they generally can't. The game is rigged against anything beyond Democrats and Republicans by design. That's why i'm still for gutting the Republicans from the inside out and continuing to reform it by getting America First Republicans elected.
INB4 Doomercrats whining that elections don't matter.
That's basically what Trump did. Even convinced many moderate Democrats to vote for him who don't understand why "trannies of color" are suddenly more important than "jobs".
They've spent 4 years calling him Hitler and he got bigger share of minority votes then any Republican presidential candidate in 60 years. More red pills than one can swallow!
Glad someone gets it
who gives a fuck?
I am prepared and my family is safe. Let the union fall so we can rebuild it.
Voting for Mitt Romney because you don't want a democrat to win is like blowing a guy instead of letting him drill you.
Did I say to vote for Romney? The idea is to get rid of people like Willard
I really don’t know about that. Republicans all around are ecstatic about him. Fox is telling of how even traditional r’s say fuck it to the current party. What has to happen before any of that, though, are media companies that broadcast the truth. Oann is not enough. They’re great, but they’re only one. We need a yt equivalent. A platform for everybody. The issue is right now is that typical ventures that try to compete have way too many political videos and eventually create too much kinda fringe videos. I’m not saying don’t have them, but it must be advertised first and foremost as something more than politics. Attract mainstream content creators disaffected by incrementally fcked up monetization paywalls first. Build from there. And look up ze ronet. I’ve heard interesting stuff about it.
That’s true. We need our own “propaganda” arm, if you will. Also getting the infrastructure in place will be arduous even with Trump at the helm.
There’s more that goes into this than most people realize. I honestly don’t know if it could all be set up in time for 2022
Most important and difficult of all though is finding trustworthy candidates and getting friendly/fair ballot counters
Someone’s downvoting you and it ain’t me. Anyway, truth is the only propaganda we need. But yeah, the country needs legit counters. That can be done by the people. Cameras everywhere. Feed made public. But yeah, it’s a tough order. There’s a lot, really. Pedes need to start making these things together. Propietary infrastructure needs to be done from the ground up, too. There’s lots. The silverlining is that there’s a lot of money to be made in this. That’s maybe all the incentive the people need..
I usually play devil’s advocate to try to ground people in reality lol. I’ve been telling people all day that a 3rd party isn’t easy and highlighting the challenges of it.
There’s a lot of people who don’t like that, but I think it’s important to consider
Hah. I see. It’s still worth it. Just lots to sort out, and it’s not wrong to point out challenges. If anything, it helps build the pp stronger. Strength through hardness. Trust in the pp.
Have you considered Rumble?
That's the thing. I like rumble. Issue is, it's mostly politics. See, I watch a lot of politics. But it's not everybody's cup of tea. To compete with yt, it needs more than that. It needs content creators of all kinds.
Yeah, that’s true.
And continuing to vote for Republican politicians who don't represent you is the better option?
Wake the fuck up!
Patriot party is the way forward!
Or you can get involved in your local/county/state GOP and vet candidates yourself
the GOP has leadership. That leadership is corrupt.
The GOP is beyond hope.
The only non-violent route out of this mess is the following:
.>Patriot party
.>Displace Republicans at the state level
.>Secede the state from the USA
.>Reform a Union under the Rule of Law.
Is that what the Founding Fathers did?
We either take real action or live under tyranny. There's nothing left to fall back on.
Wow, you cucks are downvoting this?
Pathetic.
What would Washington do???!!!! "Gee, let's form a party against the British"??? FUCK NO. Y'all need to wake the fuck up.
I did specifically say non-violent.
And I'm specifically saying that's stupid and weak.
Off you go then.
According to Steven Miller Trump goal is TO win back the House and Senate in 2022, yet the Republicans want him gone from politics, period! Therefore, which is it?
As much as I dispise the RNC right now President Trump needs to get going on primarying the rinos out of their seats and that can't be done as a member of the Patriot party.. But to answert the question I would support anything he wanted to do without question. I trust him that much.
I mean the Rinos already lied their way into office, their replacements will probably just do the same
We've got much better folks in the wings than the worthless Rinos we've had from 2016 and before. If you can't see folks like Desantis and Noem doing a hell of a job and standing up to the media, while winning, then I don't know what to tell you. Just look at the folks running for president during the primaries in 2016, 2012 and 2008 and how much better of a crop we have. We nearly have pushed the Romney folks out. Toomey is retiring and there's a huge opportunity to get better folks in. It will be an uphill battle, but one the most determined I've seen Republican voters ever try to win. We just have to get into every Republican office we can, especially at the local level.
Also gotta think of the voters. I know for a fact there’s many republican-voters who would be uncomfortable voting for any 3rd party candidate due to the stigma alone that 3rd parties can’t win.
This would be a shitstorm for us
If Trump announced he was forming the Patriot Party it would be lights out for the GOP.
Getting the infrastructure in place would be the toughest part. Think of it like a startup business
You’d need offices across the country, diligent and loyal workers (thorough vetting process), marketing, massive fundraising drives, volunteers to canvas neighborhoods to test the viability of the party in specific local/state/federal districts.
And the 2 most difficult things would be getting a) trustyworthy candidates and b) finding friendly/fair ballot counters to prevent from a rigged vote
I honestly don’t think we could have all that by 2022.
Solid logic, but if anyone can do it, Trump can.
Agreed. I try to be a voice of reason and think of the challenges and unintentional consequences of actions.
There’s people on here talking about making a new party without Trump. I think that’s a lot less viable and will bite us in the ass due to lack of strategizing.
And to put it another way: if a Patriot Party is formed, it would be a GREEN LIGHT for the Democrats to gain even more power. In every state. Because the GOP is the main wall stopping the Democrats complete and lasting take over if this country.
But it would also be lights out for the Right. We can't split the vote like that and just hand government to the Dems for the next decade or two as we fight it out for dominance.
What vote? There is no real voting, that's the point. Dems are going to take the next decade or two anyway. So let's get started with a new party, the hell with the R's, the good ones can switch parties and join us as they should!!!
If you are giving up two decades of control to the Dems, then what are you fighting for at that point? What's left.
The Dems are pushing to amnesty millions of illegals, to give statehood to DC and Puerto Rico, to pack the courts. We have to fight that if we want anything resembling a country.
Don't cut off your nose to spite your face, harness all this anger and energy to actually accomplish something.
We can both start a new party AND fight corruption, the two are not mutually exclusive at all.
We do not give up control of the next two decades, the Dems are usurping that by force. It will take a decade or two for the Patriot Party to start winning elections anyway.
The people who filter primaries answer to the highest bidder, I bet. The thing is, Trump doesn’t play dirty when it comes to that..... That said, since con fIicts of interests can be IegaI, there may be such means after all..... They wouldn’t dare fck with that can of worms, anyway, since it means setting the precedent. As far as I know, there is no such thing, and they are too much of a coward to set it themselves. It’s a house of cards.
Not all Republicans.
It is the democrats that want President Trumps gone from politics.
All but ten of the House Republicans defended President Trump for the corrupt, toxic democrats.
POLL HERE https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/support-patriot-party/
That's not a real poll, just an email collector.
I go where Trump goes.
I will not support any Republicans except for like the 4 that stood up up for Trump. The rest can go the way of Fox News. Goodbye WIG party and goodbye Republican Party.
Damn right I would.
Our NUMBER ONE GOAL still needs to be uncovering, proving and disseminating ELECTION FRAUD and changing election laws. All this divisive party talk is vengeful Useful Idiot waste of time distraction.
Plus, Biden’s manic destruction of everything Trump accomplished is a massive Red Pill event. Let’s focus on discrediting the current administration and stop exacting revenge on the GOP, who are the only legislators currently able to fight back this immediate socialist onslaught.
Secession is the only way.
I'm always ahead of the curve on these things, so I'll accept your downvotes now in return for upvotes later when you finally realize the truth.
Secession will never be allowed to happen by the left that control the entire fed gov right now. Do you really think they'd let people vote their way out of their control? The left would either bribe or send the FBI to arrest any govoner who realistically pushes for succession. How's that work out for the South during the civil war? The feds would send in everything they have to stop it.
No, secession is a pipe dream when the globalist left owns everything in the Fed gov. Also, no govoner is going to risk their lives and families to try secession.
Sonovabitch I’m in
At this point, the only thing a patriot party would do is completely destroy republicans.... which I'm down for.
But it's 110% not going to put us in to a position to win a presidential election or even a substantial seat, for years and years and years.... and this is beyond even first fixing the fraud and cheating.
it's a MAJOR uphill battle, unless something is done about this past election.
The only thing that matters is fixing the voting system. Who cares if every person in America joins the Patriot party. They would lose.
ROSS PEROT GAVE US CLINTON
Yes. If the Patriot Party joins with the Republican party they win. When Patriots withhold their support Republicans lose. Works for me.
Hell yes if he starts it . I won't never ever give a dime to the Republican Rhinos again . The last request we got was Saturday Jan.23rd. from the republican party. The envelope said Donald J Trump President of the US. Their using his name to get money for the Rhinos. I will help support any Party President Trump is in.
Faster than you could say "go"
I support a military insurrection. And that's all.
Parties are for fags and cucks at this point.
Evil is in total power and wants to fuck you hard. You only have two choices.
I’d prefer Lion Party because we have an animal theme going and lions are badass. Plus there is that sweet logo floating around this site that someone made.
Well the lion could be our logo animal, you know like the elephant and donkey.
Yeah I posted this and then randomly thought at dinner that we could just use the logo haha
Haha, I'd like to see a political cartoon, with a donkey and an elephant butting heads, and a lion in a crouching pose, ready to attack both of them!!!
Personally I'm not fond of the name.
I'd prefer a name that actually reflects what the party stands for.
Nationalist party?
Populist party?
But Patriot party?
Sounds like one of those, "We named it something that 'everyone' would agree with so we can avoid criticism..."
I hear ya, it's good but doesn't quite have the right ring to it...
The system is corrupt though and they have dominon as well as propaganda. As long as congress isn't purged and propaganda isn't wiped clean creating a party won't work.
Remove the tumor FIRST!
This is the basic fact that most people here are ignoring.
Is the duoppoly the tumor though? More factions might mean less division.
I’d prefer if the patriot party was “created” by we the people, not an individual.
Having cool dudes like Trump among us as patriot party evangelists is good though.
What about coming at the problem a different way, what about A virtual Party, one that would Primary BOTH parties, clean up both sides of the congress.
Support Dem and Rep candidates that would hold to a Patriot pledge, maybe by a Patriot Pac?
Getting a new party going is costly, trying to clean up just one side of the congress ignores the fact that a bunch of bastards are sitting in the room with you.
Personally I would like to throw everything at getting Trump in office NOW, throw these people out. Find some brave judges that will hear the election fraud cases and go for it.
Yup
In a heart beat
I would even though,,, He fucked upped ,,, BAD
I'd rather he hijack the GOP as they age out. So they are replaced by those who will fight for our rights.
Yes. Patriot Party. I love it!!!: America first!!!
Can't find pole results
Republican party is weak. We are witnessing what a 2 party system gives. We, as humanity, are inherently selfish. Dems have grown so much over the last 50 because of the free shit promised. Nowadays, Republicans have gotten so soft (and by realizing promising free shit extends their career) they have moved left for personal gains. ESTABLISH TERM LIMITS FIRST THING!!!!
Did he already form it?
https://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00767095/1489852
All this would do is split the republican vote. Great idea with terrible consequences.
I'll support the MAGA/Patriot party.
I don't think there is any path provided by the constitution for recalling state senators, but if your republican senator get's this impeachment trial vote wrong we should call local state legislature representative to legislate sanctions against those senators.
Could create state laws that penalizes a senator for failing resign in a period of time after some sort of public in state vote calling for the state senator to resign.
Term limits should be a priority and brought to the front of the conversation. I’m tired of these career politicians and I bet 90% of America is too. It needs to be done. To answer the question,yes I would support it, but I no longer trust our voting system so would not be participating.
No. Trump should stay in the Republican Party and bend those corrupt fuckers over every chance he gets. The Party of Lincoln and Reagan deserve as much.
#MakeRepublicanGreatAgain
No. He needs to continue to lead the Republican Party.
No. Voting no longer matters.
Why is this even asked here?
Replying to myself because edits have always been sketchy.
This is like asking us if Trump shave his head and grow a beard while giving a middle finger to a screen playing Bidens inauguration.
Downvote me harder fag. We see you.
No, because voting doesn't matter.
If Trumps wants to convince state legislatures to secede and form a new nation, I'd support that.
Hasn't the man done enough?
This is one of the stupidest questions I have ever seen
No fucking shit...
What responses did you think you were gonna get here, karma whore?