So I've been doing some thinking, and of course this is all contingent on the idea that voting even matters, which I'm not going into, let's just pretend that we have free and fair elections for the sake of discussion.
So, first off, I'm all on board with a new party. The Republican party message is "we're not democrats". That's that's not good enough, and quite frankly, I'm not sure it's even true. That said, splitting the vote will almost certainly cause democrats to win again. I think the senate is beyond saving, or rather the Republican senators are beyond saving, minus just a few, who'll likely jump ship as the PP becomes a viable option. That said, having the house controlled by "opposition" to democrats will put a small stumbling block in the path of the democratic agenda to destroy America. So unless I can be convinced that I'm wrong in my thoughts, i believe the best strategy is to vote R on house seats only on the upcoming midterm and maybe even four years down the road, and vote PP on any other available position, while campaigning exclusively for the PP, and as soon as the PP becomes a truely viable option, that's when we go all in with our votes.
What do you guys think?
When the time comes, and there are actual PP candidates we should be voting for every one of them. No more of this "it'll split the vote" nonsense that happened to the Libertarians.
The uniparty will march along regardless of how many D's vs R's there are. Nothing ever changes until we have enough seats to exert the will of the people back into the government.
We need ANYTHING we can get. ANYTHING to put pressure in place to root out voter fraud. ANYTHING we can do to push establishment people out of office.
I agree with the sentiment, but I think we have to play the long game, which means picking a middle ground between slowing the D agenda, and bolstering support for the PP. Playing smart will also show hardline R's that we're not emotionally lashing out in anger, but actually moving with intent towards a specific destination.
I understand what you're saying. I even get where you're coming from. I was once there too.
The R's aren't about "slowing the D agenda." If they were, they would take action when they have control. They don't want to slow the agenda, because it's the same agenda. What we have is the Democrat party that does things to advance their agenda, and the Republican party that pretends to want to slow the Democrat agenda. That's all they do. We sat for decades as Republicans and waited for the GOP to do something. ANYTHING.
They don't advance anything on their own. Both parties are war hawks, both parties give money to other countries. Both parties fuck us over every chance they get. The Dems are just more upfront about it. It's all political theater.
It will take a large number of PP candidates at all levels to make them pause. Make them realize that the people have woken from their slumber.
That will just result in more losing. Time to try something new, this long game crap put us where we are today, no more, time for a new strategy. Lash out in anger, get something done. Fuck the GOP, let them rot. The faster we make them lose the faster we can start winning. We have to take a small hit in order to do this.
I would only vote for those republicans who stood with trump til the end if youre a republican. They had their chance. When the going got tough, they decided to tuck tail and run. Leaving the citizens who voted for them and basically exposing what liars they were on the campaign trail. People are done with the GOP party. The strategy now is filling govenor positions with true patriots. That position has a lot of power like how elections are conducted and challenged and also having an honest state attorney general is a must. That would definitely help if fraudulent elections should (will) occur again.
More parties. Split both the House and Senate up. Make the major parties capitulate to the smaller parties to get votes. You could hold policy hostage with a handful of senators and 50 House representatives. All they have to do is refuse to vote until their demands are met. Withhold their vote for speaker, withhold their got on legislation. The RNC can withhold campaign funding if we go that route. We need our own funding, our own platform, our own people. Look what happened to AOC, she was all super progressives squad lady and now she's voting pelosi for speaker without getting anything in return.
I just read where Trump in now not going to start a new party.
If we are waiting around on Trump...we are truly fked.
I am done with the GOP regardless.
The Republican party, as in, the voters who voted for Trump, don't give two flying shits about Romney, Mccain, Mcconnell, etc.... They only ever cared about what Trump was doing. If He starts a new party, there will no longer be a Republican party.
I think people saying we shouldn’t do it for vote splitting reasons are not accepting how bad things are. Also, all you have to do is look at how the a Republican Party came to be in the first place. Destruction of the Whig party when we were in a civil war.
There are 75 million Trump voters and they are all sick of the commie takeover. We voted R cause that’s what was behind Trump’s name. Put a P there and he’ll still get the votes and we can start exorcising the disease that is corrupt Rino scumbags.
It would be far better to forget a new party and reform the GOP.
See, I think Trump was the attempt to reform the republican party. The way the Republican leadership acted when it was the only chance to save him should show that reform is a pipe dream. The Republican party sees us as tools, not constituents, and that's not something that I'm keen on rewarding.
Too unorganized. Missed the window to switch 80 million to a new party. Sad.
It only took 6 years from the formation of the Republican party to win nationally, and that was in the 1850's, when a message had to be spread by person. To say that in 8 years we can't spread a message far more effectively, I think is doomer hopelessness. No offense intended, but strength and backbone is our greatest asset, that's what people look for, that's what the republicans once had, that's what we need to emit.
I’m not really into the platitude type shit. It’s going to take an extremely inspirational and motivational event, be it good or bad, for this to work. There was an “easy” window, but it has passed. Now we need to be methodical and attempt a republican party takeover from the ground up- if you want to wait for that inspirational event in the meantime that’s perfectly fine. I understand this to my core. If we try to do this in an unorganized manner it will be a total disaster.
Please get yalls minds right
No 3rd party don’t work. Let’s wait for President to make a Televised Announcement
No more waiting.
Count me out .
No! Is wrong to fight as a party. Fight as people gathering together for fair elections result, against political and administrative corruption. Popular move not party representation. A party needs 20 years to have results. What you fight with is growing fast and is pushing you back even faster. You already lost the spark. In the next month if you don't react, then forget it. Will take years and years to put down the commies.
Let parties sustain you! Not otherwise.
No splitting
Normies wont change
There will be fuckery afoot in blue states: “your party is Not registered properly with the state!”