We have a Constitutional responsibility and obligation to reform government when it becomes tyrannical. That includes taking away the monopoly of force the government enjoys. We all want to avoid the use of force, but every other way requires COMMUNICATION! Lawsuits, convention of states, rallies, organizations, news, media, all require clear channels of communication to function. How many times have we been betrayed by silver tonged liars and Judases? If all speech is compromised by strategic noise, demoralization, and lies, how can we ever rely on methods that require speech alone?
This is why I keep doing posts about how God will win at the end of the day. Revelation is clear about this, and our enemy hates nothing more than this. We’re in a spiritual war, and any time you can remind Satan and his demons where they’re spending eternity its a good day.
You're not going to win any people who don't believe in God by proselytizing. You might be righteous, but that doesn't mean others will see you as right.
Uh, it’s almost February. I think he’s staying. The only way I can see Trump coming back is if they fail to impeach him and Biden is so bad that the recount movement picks up steam from lobs OR Trump comes back in 2024. But both assume he’s not impeached.
From what I've read it seems like God didn't really tell people to kick back, but rather pursue righteous goals with everything you've got. Where He would step in is when people followed this in seemingly hopeless situations. Then they would miraculously win when it didn't appear to be possible. David and Goliath, red sea, etc...
Obviously, you have never read the old testament. Don't be fooled by modern day churches in America. They preach all peace love and harmony. That is only half of it. Spare the rod, spoil the children.
You're internet Edgelord belief is foolish and of course just plain wrong. Nothing carried out Slave Revolts and 1000 other rockin' war parties like relying on a higher power.
Possibly one of the dumbest effing beliefs to ever be uttered anywhere on the earth "religion was invented to control the masses". Its so opposite wrong of everything know about humans, civilization and all we experience today that it's astonishes me someone can say it.
'religion as a whole' is describing 88898231348842113333 different things in constant swings and turns but yes, some obscure branches think you can kick back and do nothing but pray and everything will work out. It's goofy.
These 'Christians' are the lazy ass ?Believers? who don't even follow advice of NT Bible, prayer and fasting, so they cannot be the 'Bible Thumpers' derogatorily character that you wantonly besmirch.
I remember thinking like you, calling Christians “Bible Thumpers”. Then I asked God “If you’re real then reveal yourself to me.” And he did in a big way.
It doesn't mean you give up. President Trump talked about God. If you truly believe in God, you want others to know. It's not about trying to force anything, but yet to spread the TRUTH.
Not only did our great President Donald J. Trump talk about God, he put God and Godly principles front and center on our national agenda for the first time in decades. What was the result? A huge acceleration of patriotism and MAGA. It was, in fact, SPECTACULAR to see the positive results that he created in a very short time.
He inspired us all to return to the founding principles of our nation which were based on freedom and the natural rights that come from God, not from any Government. God bless PDJT. I will love him forever.
You're right ... you don't give up. But often times when you hit people with Biblical terms and language, you're can get that glossed over look in the eyes because they could see someone coming at it like this as being preachy ... and most people don't like being preached to.
Right. I'm an employee of Cointelpro. Right. Or maybe it's an example of you can't entertain that someone else might have a better bead on this than you do. I'm done.
A lot of times people also think well you're not perfect, so who are you to tell me... We need to get over that mentality because none of us are perfect.
Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
and 1 Peter 2:13 reads:
Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority
Those can be interpreted to mean we should do nothing but submit to the fraud. But those also mean that Jesus' disciples were sinning when their earthly authorities didn't want them to preach. Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego would have been sinning by not bowing before the king's image. Our founding fathers would have founded a nation on sin by rebelling against the Crown.
But I like this quote from the patriot:
A shepherd must tend his flock...and at times...fight off the wolves
There is an exception where authority is no longer ordained or established by God. In our case, the election was rigged using fraudulent voting machines. The votes were manipulated. It is controlled by arbitrary numbers. The election is therefore fake. The authority is not established by God.
Romans 13 is about how to behave and if you run afoul of local customs, and receive punishment for such, that punishment is righteous because you were out of line. Example: if you go to a gay bar to stop dudes from hooking up because it is a sin, and all the gay guys beat you up for it, that is a godly punishment because you shouldn't have been there acting like an asshole. At least, that's what makes sense to me. Romans 13 is clearly not about blindly obeying every government command because Christianity was illegal for hundreds of years and yet, there were still Christians for all those years.
What is “ our way”? Jesus was the only perfect, sinless person to ever walk the earth. He stated that there isn’t one good person among us. We’re all sinners, therefore “no one comes to the Father except through me”. Meaning that to be saved by Jesus you must repent of your sins and ask Jesus into your heart. This can be very hard for some because they love their sin.
Why do you assume anyone is trying to "win you over"? People are simply stating their beliefs. We still have the right to believe whatever we like and talk about those beliefs freely...whether it offends you or not.
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter in law against her mother in law."
Mathew 10:34,35
To me, it means that being a follower of Christ is to welcome conflict and persecution for your beliefs. Being a Christian is about a lifelong battle against sin and temptation which can come from anything in your life. Commitment to God and following Christ does not always sit well with everyone in your life. Again, these are my beliefs so keep that in mind.
Yeah soon as I read that comment I was like great I'm on the side of religious zealots... I don't like the idea of having to pretend to be religious no more than I like the idea of having to pretend to support Biden.
If people need God, then use it as your pillar of strength. Just don't make the illusion that we are ALL on the side of God.
The elites are for the most part godless. They are on their way out, in case people haven't noticed. Truth and justice, law and order are on their way in. Personally, I cannot wait until they get here. Reading the posted list of "how to's" when it comes to spreading lies and cancelling the truth was exhausting. What a non-productive use of energy that will ultimately get us nowhere.
Yeah man, atheism has brought about great things such as communism, consumerism, porn, and every other degeneracy under the sun. Like bro keep that shit to yourself and let me enjoy my heckin wholesome tranny porn
People can be agnostic or atheist and still have good morals. Reading through the top few comments, religion is only being divisive in a time we need to be sticking together. Here we are debating religion instead of discussing ways to work together.
Your good morals come from a societal standard. When the standard is set by Christianity then even agnostic and atheists maintain a good image and try to be moral people.
The left, mostly atheist, resetting the rules and turning morality into a “moral Wild West” end up accepting some degenerate that dresses in a furrie suit and literally fucks his dog.
Why I am sperging out like an autist is because atheists say “we don’t need Christianity to be moral!!”
Have enough generations of that and folks who aren’t tied to being answerable to a higher power that wants you to maintain some standards and bam.. you’re in the moral Wild West.
So .. imagine if you will.. being a Christian and watching edgelords shit on you for years and just accepting it. But if someone shits on another religion, those same edgelords defend them.
Imagine.. those people start trending towards all these whacky ways of thinking, for example full term abortion..
Then imagine, some of these spastics realise how far off the deep end these idiots are going, finally wake up and then join the side that has the majority of Christians.
For us.. it’s like .. “yeah thanks.. fucking finally”
So the left is level 10 of “we don’t need Christianity to be good people”
“We don’t need Christianity” is level 1.
Don’t worry, I like level 1-3 atheists. Most of my friends are that. But when you apply your atheist morality, which will eventually lead to “omg stop kink shaming shitlord!” Just realise to us, you are the rot that has infected the left... and now you are here.
This is debatable, and one you’d lose. Our entire set of laws are built on Judeo-Christian values. Remove those values and the laws collapse in on themselves. Remove those values and it becomes easy to make arguments that all sorts of immoral shit is really moral. Just look at the degeneration of the left for an example.
May I remind you that this started with an a-religious fellow talking smack? Many of us are tired of having to take that bullshit from the Establishment.
The most moral and honest guy I’ve ever known was an agnostic. He had a love of country and the constitution and went out of his way to help others. While on the other hand the most dishonest, selfish bastards I’ve known was always preaching to others about their sins and shortcomings and inviting them to church.
What's the point of having morals while being an Atheist? The very fact that many atheists have morality should show them there is a God, or creator, because if we are just luck of the draw advanced animals no concept of morality should exist. Increased intelligence does not make someone more moral.
Every atheist should do whatever they can get away with to benefit themselves regardless of morality if they truly believe there is no God, otherwise they aren't living like true atheists because to have morals would be illogical.
If things go hot against the left, expect that number to go up. Whose side are you on? The people that want men to be men, who fight for their culture or do you want to be fighting for some 40yo unemployed tranny who can’t fight beside you because he needs to be on the back line educating your child on how to take hormones. Your wife isn’t educating your child, because she’s too busy wearing a pussy hat, spending her time stabbing you in the back and protesting against all the mean Christian men and the way they think.
Cry me a fucking river that Christians have defended what they believe in. Come, join us. If you want to be a level 1 atheist, so be it. Luckily we don’t wish to harm those that don’t want to chop our children’s penises off or silence us, so you always have room here to thrive.
But yeah... start becoming a fruitloop degenerate who aggressively pushes your craziness and it might be time for some righteous fury.
This comment is underrated. Frens, we are supposed to be on the same page not arguing about religion in a thread about the bullshit cointell , shareboo, etc pulls.
Being a zealot is not a bad thing, necessarily. I'm sure you'reon the side of people who are lots of things you don't subscribe to. This thing that unites us here is a good thing. That's the beautyof being Americans, we can disagree on everything, but be united by our common values and beliefs. Although I do not see a problem with believing in God with all your heart. Also, if you are on the side of truth you are by default on the same side as God, because He is truth. Don't worry, being near Christians is not going to hurt you, we think everyone should have free-will and if we're doing it right we aren't being judge-y or overbearing.
you dont have to be religious to understand how useful the language and what an uncomfortable fascade it would be to lefties to use to create a place without misinfo to communicate.
Look at your own reaction. You are so repelled. It could be used as a safety measure against misinfo/disinfo.
I dont disagree with the idea in your statement but it has nothing to do with the idea you were responding to. Thus it appears as a tactic of diffusing the ideas
There are alsoministers who push transvestitism. There are preachers who run their church like a dictatorship with man-made rules.
These understandably turn a lot of people off. What Christianity is to me, is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. When you can open your soul to Him, and actually let The Holy Spirit have influence in your life, you will be changed. Always for the better. Always with truth and love.
If they believe in god, that there is an actually existing non physical entity, then it is possible to reason with them, as they are at least emotionally capable of aknowledging the existence of ideas such as 'fairness', 'objectivity', 'moral virtue', 'hypocrisy'. It is a person who is 100% engulfed in physicality who can 1 day call the BLM riots peaceful protests then the capital 'a dangerous inserruction' and not feel embarrassed. Because the heathens don't get embarrassment, it's me me me 100% of the time.
There is a "natural problem" that runs along side to your comment -
The LEFT and the UNIPARTY make TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS when they ABUSE THE CONSTITUTION....
But on the Right - NO ONE MAKES ANY MORE "DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION" in these political battles.
Indeed - Trump likely lost extensive amounts of personal wealth taking Office.
He was not bought off by Big Corpa... did no 'side deals' with CHINA etc like Hillary and Biden, and likely did not buy up Stock opportunities based on LAWS HE PUSHED.
Consider that what you are saying is true short term. Long term they literally are selling out their country and fellow Americans for personal gain, and for pennies on the dollar. Even longer term, where does the treason end for them? Are they selling their eternal souls so that they can spend eternity in hell?
We put in MAGA candidates.... LOTS OF MAGA CANDIDATES....
TAKE THE MAJORITY....
and pass laws (and actually enforce them) BANNING these practices of 'side deals' and bribes, opening up off-shore accounts, (Panama Papers) and organizing 'Foundations' in multiple countries so the MONEY LAUNDERING never even crosses US shores... (see Hillary, again)
Jesus said this life will be gone in a flash, but your soul will live on eternally. To simply focus on this worldly life, and ignore the eternal life that awaits us is short sighted and dangerous.
We need to establish lines of communication. In order to do that we need to control our own networks and devices. In order to created networks and devices we need money. So in reality, I think first we need to create our own financial systems. We see banks and major credit cards cutting off conservative companies such as Gab. We cannot crowd fund. So first establish a free banking system.
Next we need to create free ISP and devices. No more worry that the app store will shut you down.
We need establish free communication platforms. Now that we have control over our own apps we can have social media and communications.
Get millions of patriots to support free banking, free isp and device companies.
Now that we have established our own infrastructure we can start building.
Establish our own education. Vet which schools educate our youth honestly and truthfully. All patriots agree to move to these locations send our kids to these schools.
Create our own entertainment. When our movies and music are making big money the left will melt down. But they cannot cancel us because we have our own infrastructure.
Of course establish our own political party with the emphasis on election integrity and the constitution. Any party politician that doesn't cooperate is kicked out of the party and voted against.
All patriots support patriot owned businesses.
Now we have our own country within the country thriving and we will eventually win back control of our country.
The basic idea is to lift from the left what they do. "Be the change you want to see." AKA: "Act locally, think Globally" (or in our case, Nationally, which is an easier target)
Do the little things every day that you need to do to move the social Overton window back towards traditional America. We don't do this enough as we either assume that everyone believes like we do or that NOBODY does and we are all alone.
Whether we are in a crowd or all alone, it is IMPORTANT to stand up for what we believe (The Constitution, Freedom, etc.) and not back down. Do the Right Thing and oppose the evils of leftist everywhere.
This is how organic movements succeed, by having a core set of principles and everyone following them every day, pushing those principles outward into the world around them.
I had the same thought process yesterday while watching “Fierce Creatures “ an old movie starring Jaime Lee Curtis. Anyway, the zoo wanted to get rid of all animals that weren’t “fierce “. So the zookeepers came up with a campaign to fierce up the turtles, lemurs, etc. Why are we allowing the left to define us. What if we start spreading information about the 75 million + Trump voters or Patriots. Real information. Commercials, flyers, posts, emails - about who we really are. We are average people looking to live a good wholesome life. My college student asked me “why are you SATISFIED with your average life”? My answer: I love my average life. What’s wrong with enjoying and being satisfied with a wholesome, moral life?
I've come to terms with the fact that conservatives are just master larpers and lazy coward fucks who will do anything they can to avoid violence even if it's their final option and constitutional duty.
Even after we all go to gulags/camps they will still say they have the moral high ground and the left/progressive/socialist commies are evil and we did the right thing. That's the hill they LITERALLY want to die on. Optics means everything to these idiots. I'm just awaiting for my death or the countries whichever order it happens.
I wish I could fight but nobody will go to arms with me.
It's not that nobody will, although I do agree with your evaluation of a distinct demographic of moral demagogues, but those that have correctly identified the imminent danger we face and the potential solution are purposefully kept demoralized, separated, and isolated. That's what this post is instrumental in calling out: The tactics used by our opposition to keep us in this state. We desperately need a solution to this problem, pronto.
Agree, we have allowed ourselves a false sense of security. Ie, “when the shooting starts we will win in one minute,” “they are fat larping tranny idiots,” “we are the real majority,” etc etc.
Their bit players may be dumb but they have organization. We are like a powerful elephant being squeezed by a snake. We are more powerful but our lack of organization is getting us killed.
Problem is we have no real place to organize as of yet. Its why I keep hoping we can get state wins; we need to come together and tackle stats by state but.. no platform to do it on. We had that problem during elections too
Heck, even when you don't, getting people together runs into problems of getting people to actually group together. As someone who plays tabletop games, we've been having issue with getting people together even before covid.
We should organize around our duly elected President, Donald J. Trump. He is the reason that we all came here to begin with, and that includes the disinformation agents among us. No one in this world since Jesus Christ has been as broadly persecuted by the ruling elites who control this world. Why? Because they knew that not only was he a threat, he was an accelerating steam roller who was going to crush the "old guard" and build a country and a world for the people. Upside down pyramid where the people are at the top. Their worst nightmare. How messed up is that? President Trump is the best dream that the American people could have had, and IT ACTUALLY CAME TRUE.
Its not just the lack of organization. Whenever we try to organize, you've got a great chance of getting an glowboy in your group or otherwise people who want to destory us infilitrating in
Then go out and engage in non violent activism or civil disobedience. At least then you'd be doing something rather than fruitlessly lamenting how everyone else sucks on internet forums.
Incidentally, that's how the patriots started before 1776; they gradually escalated for years. No revolution ever got started without a cadre of activists who got good at real life organisation.
Why so I can disappear ccp style by the fbi? I'm not even high profile nobody will care unlike stroka. I appreciate you concern but your saw what happened when people peacefully protested in dc capitol. Nuh uh no thanks!
I saw the footage. That wasn't peaceful protest, certainly not large parts of it anyway.
As for getting disappeared, don't be so dramatic. You want a civil war but you're too scared to sit down on a footpath or door knock or chant?
Thy name is LARPer.
I’m still unsure why we needed to “peacefully “ protest? Didn’t we see the election stolen? Now we are once again the deplorables? Who cares??? I say we own it. Get in line or move out of the way...
The capitol riot was an unforced error or maybe a trap, but civil war LARPing wannabes still won't realise their methods don't work.
I got downvoted for saying it was retarded before it happened, and now I get downvoted for saying it was retarded even though we all quietly agree it was a disaster.
He is quite literally the thing he's accusing other people of being...... kek
Upset because people won't go die beside him right now today but the idea of getting in trouble for civil disobedience?.... Oh heck noes guys! Heck noes!
That comment there is the single most unpopular thing I've ever said here and I have no frigging idea why. One guy even thought I was a boogaloo, it's bizarre and ass backwards.
Are you responding to the wrong person? How does advocating non-violent activism make me a boogaloo? I'm saying that the sensible path is neither trying to be a boogaloo nor sitting back and leaving things to politicians.
No, Conservatives are just very busy people who work hard doing real work and who dedicate much time to their families. What happens is that we are against a well funded professional marxist-progressive force, run by by fanatics dedicated 24/7 to destroy us by any means. We have to understand this and find out how to deal with it because there is a real danger.
It's not cowardly to avoid a conflict and give up everything you have in life, if actual war breaks out ita going to have so many unintended consequences and will be a disaster. No same person wants it to come to that.
Brazil was able to oust a communist government by just picking a date and occupying their capitol. They also dont have the second amendment. You dont need force to overthrow a tyrant, just enough people to show that the tyrant will not be tolerated,
You have a valid point. We were just asking for a reasonable response from our government. This is not a move to usurp. This is a request for a voice in the process.
One lesson that should be appreciated by all sides in all civic conflicts is that force is not another word for violence. Force is the opposite of violence. Violence is bad, and force is good. Violence is chaos, and force is order. Violence is slow and force is fast.
If you can win by force, what are you waiting for? Do it immediately. If you can’t win without violence, you probably can’t win at all, and you probably shouldn’t try. Much bloodshed could be saved if all young persons were educated with these simple and timeless Machiavellian principles, though every principle has its necessary exceptions.
Many of these techniques are being employed here on a regular basis. We are constantly flooded with shills and trolls, and then there are agents at work inside doing these things listed in the post. This is why it's important that the forum not be allowed to get out of control. Those screaming the loudest about deportations being censorship are most likely agents or at least are willing to derail the conversation for their own ends. Then there are those who either obliquely or directly call for violent actions. These are the most dangerous and must get the ban hammer as fast as possible. Even if they are just pissed off patriots, this is not the forum for such discussions, nor is it the place to organize them.
I agree with your evaluation on deportations from the forum, but conflating defending our Republic via use of force as violence is a narrative perpetrated by Pravda, INC., not patriots. I am not committing violence if I defend my home from invaders using force, nor is it the case for those defending their Republic.
I wan't talking about saying you will defend your home, there are people calling for outright civil war. that is what I referred to. My saying that they can have my guns bullets first, is not advocating a violent overthrow of government. That is a discussion for another place.
I call for those who swore an oath and serve in our government and military to fulfill their duty - failing that? There's only so many ways this can progress because an illegitimate government has a terminal disease.
It's called being cornered or pushed too far - only so many ways to counter that - rolling over and acceptance? That's not something many will consider an option.
Of course, our enemies want this, they want their self fulfilling prophetic declaration of MAGA being their dangerous enemy to come true - at this juncture they are likely to get more than they bargained for...
But they are the enemy, always have been. Time for honesty. Globalist sponsored traitors have stolen our Republic - political process is dead.
I'm 100% with you. If we can't have legitimate elections moving forward, esp since the swamp is looking to make all the cheating legalized, what other options are there? Run for local offices? Run for senate/house seats? As if they will let a non-swamp creature into the devil club they've created. I think it's time this site faces the reality that the only way forward is a likely a violent one. I never thought I would have ever advocated for this but we are at the point of no return and if I want to make sure my kids never have to bend their knee to communism or wait in breadlines, I plan to protect them and this nations constitution from terrorism/tyranny, both foreign and domestic.
Acknowledging likely outcomes is important - at this point the more people who realize the severity of this situation will be far more effective in resolving it moving forward.
The perpetrators of this coup and their enablers need to be advised that they are playing with fire. And as I said before, I think that is what they desire to further their globalist agenda.
It is a trap already set that will be unavoidable unless something unforeseen occurs.
Just as the bully hankering for a fight may throw the first punch, we may yet see what happens to the bully when the schoolyard has had enough of him.
You dont realize it but OP spelled out exactly what we can do. These psyop techniques can be used by us as well! And there are ALOT of us and we are far more motivated than some gov employee.
Imagine everywhere you looked there were fliers revealing Huntet Biden pics. Or we periodically brigaded websites. Or put in clips of the suitcase steal in random funny videos. In large brigade waves so it was impossible to censor them all
Be 100% certain that we are all on a FBI list and every word we say is analyzed to be used against us daily with the ultimate goal to knock on your door and end your citizenship. You can do whatever you want with that reality, but it should inform your actions somewhat in conversations you have on a public forum known to be monitored by the enemy.
Please explain what you mean. I do not follow you.
Were the plans of any army, who participated in any battle, throughout history, broadcast to the public beforehand? I am not aware of any such occurrences. It would seem like tactical suicide to publicly discuss such plans.
I am not well versed in military history though. Perhaps this happens and I am just not aware of it. My understanding is that such matters are always discussed privately along a chain of command on a need to know basis.
How do we stop it though? Because I have seen based handshake accounts as well. There's always going to be more based people out there to get to join here but that leaves it open to bad guys. How can this even be combatted effectively?
That's exactly what I'm saying. We could shut down handshakes but then we couldn't grow. The shills come with allowing the handshakes and we just have to stay vigilant.
Shills are already here with convincing accounts. It's not hard to pretend to be in support of transparent elections and occasionally employ the above tactics. Sure the obvious ones are usually handshakes but you'll have a lot of trouble spotting those gunning for a mod position.
At least, everybody should memorize that document. That way they can laugh in the faces of the people who use those techniques and say, "aha, I see you are doing number seven on The List! Cute! We see it."
Communication must be local and non-electronic, which consists of talking to people in person you are friendly with.
Money will be spent going forward, big money, one hopes, to provide media platforms.
A team of lawyers to call to defend those who are doxxed, fired, and canceled would be good also. That should have been done five minutes after the election i 2016.
The atmosphere of fear must be combated with lawsuits. We saw how Nick Sandmann brought that off. His success is unusual; it should not be unusual, everybody should have easy access to what he had.
One shill that I've been noticing a LOT is some variation of this:
"Fuck Rudy Giuliani! He lead us on with all of those fake promises of evidence that never surfaced!"
"Fuck Sidney Powell. We waited for months and she never delivered the kraken!"
"Fuck Bannon! He sat there every day telling us he had the receipts, but then he never delivered them!"
It's a really weird sort of shill that's kind of hard to wrap your head around. I think it's consensus cracking? But it also seems to have a built in presupposition that there was "no substantial evidence of voter fraud".
Has anyone else noticed this? It's just so odd and sticks out like a sore thumb when you see pedes claiming that Rudy, Sidney, Bannon, etc. never delivered any evidence.
I don't know what to make of it.
Edit:
Here are two direct quotes I've read from comments that somehow have 50+ upvotes:
"Screw Pardons. Am still waiting on Rudy to drop his mega-evidence."
"Sidney "Bombshells" Powell says we're going to be shocked when the truth comes out (over the next few weeks)"....that was 2 months ago."
If someone says Fuck X, in an X related thread or post. It's just people venting. As for the latter "Q" shit, blame the mods allowing "greatawakening.win" into the community.
I don't think so, dude.
You're missing the point. They're pretending that there WASNT "bombshell" evidence dropped.
They're pretending like the "Kraken" wasn't released.
The Kraken WAS released. The bombshells WERE dropped.
Anyone pretending to be a pede that also claims there was "no evidence" is either lying or simply wasn't paying attention.
It's one thing to complain about the COURTS refusing to HEAR the evidence. It's a different thing entirely to try to pretend that bombshell evidence wasn't released.
If that's true where has Lin Wood and Powell disappeared to? Why aren't we seeing further press conferences? Why aren't we seeing further movement?
.... We are.
Edit: But if you expect further "movement" in terms of the courts actually doing something, then of course we aren't. The biggest scandal here isn't even the election fraud. The biggest scandal is the complete negligence and complicity of the entire justice system.
technically, it wasn't the top post. If you "minus sign" the first post by the handshake account "Garretist" you will find the rest of the thread very on-topic. That ONE sub-thread is the derail.
Just deport Garretist and indicate it was a technique 3 post.
Those may be good times to point out that the actual Trump campaign lawsuits are still ongoing and no lawyer will publically dump their evidence during a trial.
Well they're the closest thing to "leaders" this "movement" (if you can call wanting election transparency a movement) has. Would make sense to turn opinion against them.
I think there's also an element of "assuming the sale" in the way described by Scott Adams. The real sale is "there was no evidence presented" but then you go BEYOND that and assume that as a premise and make another claim on top. "Rudy sucks because there was no evidence! He let us down!"
Yep I agree with that. Even after seeing the evidence I've felt those feelings when reading comments like that. Always have to reassure myself that what I saw was REAL and ILLEGAL.
You’re right. I’ve noticed this too. You’ve summarized it very astutely. Pay no attention to the poster arguing with you — I’m pretty sure that’s a shill/fed, and s/he must be very nervous about their playbook being exposed.
Some of the stuff mentioned is good old debate tactics 101, so there is good reason to use it when discussing new ideas or arguing a different viewpoint.
I’m referring to the general persuasiveness line items. Not the purposefully deceptive ones.
It can be hard to tell the difference though sometimes. Which is why we see a preponderance of accusations flying around here.
Hint: not everyone who disagrees with you is an undercover agent.
Bonus hint: being likeminded is different than being same minded.
Donald Trump is THE real president by Law. "Biden Administration" is a media-installed fraud, we have more than enough evidence.
Media Propaganda "Normalization" tricks exposed - like this here. The "New Reality" discussion ("Biden is so bad bla-bla-bla we should just wait in our corner and Trump will win in 2024") effectively distracts us from the fact above.
And way too many people who have correctly identified Joe Biden as a literal Manchurian Candidate, a puppet in every sense of the word, are expending infinite energies over the past few days just watching him. We've gotten used to the President being the center, but now that couldn't be further from the Truth. We desperately need transparency in what his admins, cabinet, policy czars, and ABC agency admins are doing.
Sounds like something a psyop shill would say. No thanks, not buying your crap. I will remain suspicous of all types of behavior here and accusing me of being a "do-nothing" is exactly the kind of shit someone who is engaging in psyops would say. It literally has nothing to do with whether or not someone is taking action. Passively ignoring potential psyops is the do-nothing activity, if anything.
And then there's you. The guy telling everyone else they should be doing things on PDW. Using "do stuff" as a bludgeon to attack other people who are raising awareness of problems that exist within our community.
This site could use a rewrite of its Rules, to address what you mention. The existing rules are good, and concise, but could be expanded to provide clear, helpful examples.
And then of course those rules need to be enforced, alongside public explanation of the enforcement. This is how the community can train itself to be more effective with how we communicate.
Follow the Law:
No posts or comments that violate laws in your jurisdiction or the United States.
Laws are coercive. They exist above and beyond the site rules. The site rules stipulate you follow the laws.
Both Laws and Rules are ultimately suggestions. It is up to the individual to decide to comply or not, and if they are willing to face the consequences.
In any case, since it still does not appear to be clear for you: your first amendment rights do not apply to this website. The first amendment is a contract between you and the US government. This site has its own, different contract.
This doesn't work in ultra right wing forums. Like at all. Those forums are completely impervious to 100% of these techniques.
The reason is that their world views are extremely finely honed and well formed. The reason this works here is because people have not fully discovered and honed their belief systems. Most people here simply have a general sense of "something is wrong on the left" but don't know why and believe that this defines their world view and ethics. It doesn't this is just the beginning of that journey.
The reason the above tactics exist and the reason that the entire left industrial complex is coming for us, bans us, throws us off of payment processors is that they are afraid of ONLY ONE THING:
They are afraid of your world view and ethics solidifying into a finely honed instrument of political identity.
Once that happens, you will organize and you will move mountains to get the country back. You are the majority of the population, all you guys have to do is start to believe.
It's everywhere; platforms like facebook who have AI-boosted moderation don't get as much love from the glowies, since they're already near-perfect brainwashing devices.
Even worse, propagandists influence the others in the forum to start arguing like they do. Using techniques without being aware they're techniques. For a deeper understanding of the mechanics of it, go watch The Social Dilemma.
In my opinion the worst part about a list like this is for every single thing here I can think of an example where a completely innocent person could do that by accident.
"Slide threads" happen when someone posts about something off-topic from w/e the current event happening is? People post random memes all the time, and whatever is happening people usually want do want to draw attention to slightly older happenings or suspected upcoming happenings etc. etc.
"Consensus cracking" is when someone intentionally posts in support of a topic without the best possible justification? What if someone legitimately believes a justification less than the best is the best? What happens if someone's simply mistaken?
I'm 100% sure we're infiltrated and watched by people who hate us, but when you really dig down into what this list is it's hard not to wonder if it in itself is a psy-op.
It kind of reminds me of the "virgin-vs-chad" meme where the 'virgin' is basically made as generic as possible to try to catch at least some of the average reader's features.
If you have guns the government doesn't know about, don't post them. If the government already knows about a piece, or already knows you have 20 guns, then it doesn't really matter.
I strongly recommend everybody to read Schopenhauer's "Eristic Dialectic: The Art of Winning an Argument", the full text (must be somewhere online, but better also buy the book as it's a must have in everybody's shelf).
Schopenhauer wrote it as a mocking of dishonest debates but it's a handy guide not only for hardcore trolling yourself but for being prepared to recognize attempts of infiltration.
The tactics mentioned above look like an adapted version of it.
That last page - "Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression" is basically "A Guide to the Experience You'll Have on Reddit and Twitter." I just respond "#TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020"
The right needs to play the lefts game and play it better. We need organization to do exactly this. Problem is that most conservatives are principled and leftists are not. The average conservative would feel really uncomfortable doing this kind of manipulation while the average leftist wouldn’t at all.
That’s true. We’re not thinking in terms of information warfare and lies to seize power, we’re thinking we need to expose truth to ensure power is distributed. That puts us at a disadvantage but it’s still possible to win. The left enslaves and the right liberates. But people still need to read Gene Sharp.
That is what happened on Jan 6th. There was a blackout at The Donald. You needed captchas to enter and even if you did enter everything was really slow and the site was crashing regularly. If you managed to get to the new posts section of the site you would see that all the posts were calling for riots and all comments that disagreed were downvoted to hell. Also there were "fuck trump he betrayed us" posts when he posted the tweet and the video condemning the riots. Im sure a reasonable amount of frens fell for the posts and were agreeing with them but thats peer pressure for you. Its hard for most people to think for themselves.
Needless to say when the attacks faded away people started thinking more clearly and realized it was mostly antifa that breached the capitol... So who was making the posts that called for civil unrest? Some guys that were sitting behind their computers.
P.S: The accounts that called for radical actions were not new, so it was all planned.
A lot of us truly believed in what was happening, looked forward to some actual consequences for those in power, and were disappointed Trump didn't pull the trigger.
It may have been spearheaded by antifa, but it was not "mostly antifa" - it was mostly patriots, and they kept the looting, vandalism, and arson being advocated by antifa from happening.
Our country is founded on the premise that the people must always be more powerful than the government, and have a duty to overthrow the government if it becomes odious and intolerable. There's a real discussion to be had about where that line is. It's a scary discussion, but everyone who disagrees with you isn't a shill. Some are, for sure, but there's a lot of real people on both sides.
I agree that many patriots wanted it to happen, but they dont understand that it cannot happen in the current situation. Many tough talks about 1776, but in 2021, unfortuantely, almost half of the country backs the current government.
It could have happened. Martial law backed by millions of armed citizens, retroactively-enforced term limits, clean election with all new candidates and actual security... All it needed was for Trump to play the dictator they constantly accused him of being, for a single month before riding into the sunset.
It would have been a mess, but it would have worked.
If you believe it is true that we are in an information war...
And you believe the true enemy is the media...
And you also believe that the media is 100% disinformation...
And you also believe that the voices of truth tellers are being silences by the voices of liars...
Then there is only one option.
The silencers must be silenced, the flow of disinformation must be stopped, and the truth must be shouted from the highest mountain tops.
I have an idea on how to make this happen, and it doesn't necessarily have to be violent, bit it will require the organization of about 200-500 patriots in small/medium cities, and 500-1000 in larger cities.
Think CHAZ at news station parking lots, without the Leftist retardation
Lots of RVS, trucks & SUVs blocking traffic into the buildings & on streets on the surrounding areas. Force the media into recognizing the voices of those they've silenced, ignored & disrespected. Force their hand into giving airtime to voices they would otherwise never let be heard.
Of course there'd be other points of action, but essentially... just a week long urban camping trip, frens.
all it takes its someone to organize that. Leftists groups are constantly doing this, because despite 95% of their activities failing to gain traction, the 5% that does pushes their agenda forward. Think about the BLM riots over the summer. How many "events" did they try and push before George Floyd got traction? The joggers, the wendys guy et cetera. When they want to run a play book, they keep trying until it works.
This is excellent information and none of it surprises me but it's good to see definitive proof of a large amount of the sick methods these fucking creeps use, thanks
I dunno if anyone here was ever a "somethingawful.com goon" but this is precisely what happened to that forum. The birthplace of the first Internet meme (all your base) and a truly free and open forum where people came to strengthen their knowledge base, train their debate skills, and share otherwise impossible to find information where nobody automatically assumed you were lying or otherwise fake. Started in 1999 (I joined in 03) by Rich "Lowtax" Kyanka, it steadily gained users that amounted to well over 100,000 registered users who each paid a minimum of $10 to post and participate. It employed a shirt list of very straight forward rules that served to prevent the forum from devolving into rampant trolling and kept people focused on the topics at hand. It was very unforgiving in that once you broke a rule, you were banned outright with no warning. However, redemption came in the form of another $10 bill that allowed you to keep your original account standing as well as provide you with a learning lesson and was very effective in helping you understand how to not be a garbage human.
It began to collapse some time around 2007/2008. Seemingly out if nowhere a whole new staff of moderators and admins came aboard. They were "woke" before woke was a word. Faggy authoritarians that trained the user base to constantly seek offense to everything and to rat each other out over semantics. At first they stuck to the "no warning bans" then the user base began to decline as they stopped re-registering after their ban. They then implemented the "probation" feature. Literally any half-way "offensive" joke anyone would tell earned them a random length probationary period that added "demerits" to your account. The forums were is steady collapse for years until Lowtax grew some balls and, some time around 2012/2013, reverted back to the old rules. Except by that time, there was no going back. People's minds were permanently altered and it never got it's groove back. I have revisited a few times since but there's nothing there anymore. Everyone is demoralized and paranoid.
I didn't figure out until just recently what actually happened. What caused this drastic change in a such a short amount of time....
Turns out, Lowtax had a sneaky little Chicom lady wiggle her way into his life. He was not forthcoming about his personal life until he Bagan doing video game livestreams beginning maybe 6 or 7 years ago. He married the Chicom, perhaps early on, and I can only imagine she played a big role in talking him into redoing his moderator staff. They ended up having children, two girls. The last time I saw them on a livestream I want to say the oldest was around 12 years old. Not long after that, it was clear that they had divorced. The kids and the wife were no longer a part of his life. She left when things began going south and I'm certain. It was some point halfway through Trump's term.
Buddy ran a budding internet cultural epicenter who's balls were snipped before they even dropped. He was infiltrated by a chinese CCP operative to destroy the subculture and help usher in the age of woke-ism. This is how they did it. They infiltrated internet subcultures before they even had a chance to show the world what free speech really was. Fucking diabolical and it infuriates me to no end.
I notice this going on all the time. Would Patriots.win do a sticky thread with this information, or maybe one subject heading at a time and let us work at understanding it and then finding ways to combat these techniques or at least expose them for what they are ?
We really are in a war, and within 5 comments the tactics listed above are in use. right here.
The first thing I would like to see is a way to collapse following comments - it seems the moment someone makes a thoughtful comment any attempt at follow up discussion is hijacked.
How professional haters try to accuse you of expressing unpopular onions. Their goal is make you HESITATE to share your views and opinions, and, they hope, never say anything.
Corruption has saturated every level of government. Even if you undid Obama's actions, they would still publish and propagate propaganda. They are demoralized, many believe it themselves. There is just no way to enforce it now.
The patriot act was stretched to the nth degree because it targeted civilians and benefited the government. Passing regulations on this current criminal government and administration will do nothing, because there is no one to enforce against their illegality. If there was, they wouldn't have gotten away with this stolen election.
They already took my fingerprints, NICS, serial numbers, and everything when I bought my 9. So don't post or admit to your ghost guns, but.... otherwise Sunday Gunday ain't telling them anything they don't already know.
I wonder if an example of this is that great video of rand paul the other day where the comments were filled with hate for him because he didn't think Congress has the authority to override the states electors.
precedent of what? Asking the states in question to audit their results so the American people wouldn't be so divided on a questionable election that met all indicators of the precedent our Government has set to determine if foreign elections seem fraudulent?
Or the precedent of allowing a questionable election to be legitimized without scrutiny and thus cementing the view for over half the country that elections don't matter anymore?
Man, when I was first getting online, gaming and involved in forums, I would have thought this was the gayest shit ever. Written by some total basement fag who thought he could secretly control a internet forum.
Now, it's too big to laugh at anymore. The internet used to be edgelord zone incarnate, now it's grandma on facebook.
It's sad that they targeted AboveTopSecret forums. That's one of the longest running internet forums and it's bad enough that they're being surveiled, but on top of that they have glowies messaging on their forums.
I'm sure many of their users get shit on for the beliefs they hold on extra terrestrials and the like, but they also have to worry about the feds doing just that and posing as users.
I'm actually glad this is finally getting the proper attention. I've been saying since the late 1990s that where federal offices are concerned for a Republican to win the election he has to win the actual vote outside the margin of error. John Fund has been writing about this problem for at least 20 years now.
This has been just, "The way it is," inside the Beltway for decades. You don't call it out, you don't make an issue of it, you accept it for how things work.
One of the great things GEOTUS will be remembered for, I hope, is being one of the first office holders to call it out.
The scary thing is that while it's widespread in the sense that it's systemic, the truth is it's not massive in absolute scale. It is disturbing as to how little it takes to actually change the result of an election. Even a presidential election only requires a handful of precincts - sometimes counties - to shift the result. To make it worse, once the votes are in the system it is almost impossible to get them out.
There was a post I saw on 4chan a while back when gamergate was still a thing about sjws and it was basically a timeline of predictions of what was to come and how it would lead to Chinese style censorship to control the masses. I thought it was some larper or nutjob but looking back it was scary how accurate some of the things were. Does anyone have a copypasta?
Forums sliding is real; its happened to me long ago when running a game mod. Id put a lot of work into the content, and most of it was stolen. The thief then created several fake accounts and had off topic conversations with himself in a bunch of other threads in order to move my topic onto the second page. At the end of the sliding, he'd comment on his own topic to put it at the top of page 1 and did this for months to keep it that way. Forum mods wouldnt be bothered to do anything about it either. They were afraid of backlash to ban the guy and somehow plausible deniability existed that over the course of months, countless times, every time I came up with a new piece of content he just happened to do the exact same thing a day or two later.
This technique doesnt work as well with todays social media; yeah we still use forums but they have changed and often feature many many many more threads on the first page than they used to - ala Reddit.
** not saying it doesnt work, because it does and is still used; but more often than not the platform itself or a moderator just shadow bans the post and its never seen. Both Faceberg and Reddit do this regularly.
We have a Constitutional responsibility and obligation to reform government when it becomes tyrannical. That includes taking away the monopoly of force the government enjoys. We all want to avoid the use of force, but every other way requires COMMUNICATION! Lawsuits, convention of states, rallies, organizations, news, media, all require clear channels of communication to function. How many times have we been betrayed by silver tonged liars and Judases? If all speech is compromised by strategic noise, demoralization, and lies, how can we ever rely on methods that require speech alone?
This is why I keep doing posts about how God will win at the end of the day. Revelation is clear about this, and our enemy hates nothing more than this. We’re in a spiritual war, and any time you can remind Satan and his demons where they’re spending eternity its a good day.
You're not going to win any people who don't believe in God by proselytizing. You might be righteous, but that doesn't mean others will see you as right.
Too bad for them!
My worst fear is there is no cosmic justice and they will get away with it.
Yeah, if we’re not careful, Biden will be in the whitehouse after Jan 20th...
Uh, it’s almost February. I think he’s staying. The only way I can see Trump coming back is if they fail to impeach him and Biden is so bad that the recount movement picks up steam from lobs OR Trump comes back in 2024. But both assume he’s not impeached.
White House Down?
From what I've read it seems like God didn't really tell people to kick back, but rather pursue righteous goals with everything you've got. Where He would step in is when people followed this in seemingly hopeless situations. Then they would miraculously win when it didn't appear to be possible. David and Goliath, red sea, etc...
Obviously, you have never read the old testament. Don't be fooled by modern day churches in America. They preach all peace love and harmony. That is only half of it. Spare the rod, spoil the children.
You're internet Edgelord belief is foolish and of course just plain wrong. Nothing carried out Slave Revolts and 1000 other rockin' war parties like relying on a higher power.
Possibly one of the dumbest effing beliefs to ever be uttered anywhere on the earth "religion was invented to control the masses". Its so opposite wrong of everything know about humans, civilization and all we experience today that it's astonishes me someone can say it.
'religion as a whole' is describing 88898231348842113333 different things in constant swings and turns but yes, some obscure branches think you can kick back and do nothing but pray and everything will work out. It's goofy.
Saw a painting on a wall tiny boat well away from shore awful storm black clouds nasty wind and horrible waves -the title:
Pray to God BUT row towards shore--
If that works so well, why do communists hate God? Someone came up with this origin story for you. You should look into it yourself.
The universe rewards positive work and punishes false gains.
The only positive work it rewards is BELIEF IN JESUS. NO OTHER WAY is acceptable by the 'universe'.
Then we will ensure that they don’t get away with it.
They ARE getting away with it!
If you're a Christian .... you just made my other point.
It's comments like this that smack heavily of ignorance.
These 'Christians' are the lazy ass ?Believers? who don't even follow advice of NT Bible, prayer and fasting, so they cannot be the 'Bible Thumpers' derogatorily character that you wantonly besmirch.
I remember thinking like you, calling Christians “Bible Thumpers”. Then I asked God “If you’re real then reveal yourself to me.” And he did in a big way.
Pray that we don’t feel the same way.
It doesn't mean you give up. President Trump talked about God. If you truly believe in God, you want others to know. It's not about trying to force anything, but yet to spread the TRUTH.
Not only did our great President Donald J. Trump talk about God, he put God and Godly principles front and center on our national agenda for the first time in decades. What was the result? A huge acceleration of patriotism and MAGA. It was, in fact, SPECTACULAR to see the positive results that he created in a very short time.
He inspired us all to return to the founding principles of our nation which were based on freedom and the natural rights that come from God, not from any Government. God bless PDJT. I will love him forever.
Wow, perfectly put. He is the Best President ever.
You're right ... you don't give up. But often times when you hit people with Biblical terms and language, you're can get that glossed over look in the eyes because they could see someone coming at it like this as being preachy ... and most people don't like being preached to.
This is an excellent example of topic dilution
Right. I'm an employee of Cointelpro. Right. Or maybe it's an example of you can't entertain that someone else might have a better bead on this than you do. I'm done.
The topic itself is forum sliding.
A lot of times people also think well you're not perfect, so who are you to tell me... We need to get over that mentality because none of us are perfect.
That's just too obvious. That convincing language is something you'd say to a child.
Ignore people who doesn't want to be preached. We were instructed by Jesus Christ to preach. He taught us how it is done.
There's "preaching" and then there's "preachy".
What until he rolls out “trust the plan”
I thought he meant trust God.
He who? Remember .... internetz. Can understand the implication like we're talking in a real room.
That.
True, but Jesus’ disciples didn’t stop spreading the truth just because a few naysayers may not believe I.
Good thing the early Christians had it so easy!
Romans 13:1-2 reads:
and 1 Peter 2:13 reads:
Those can be interpreted to mean we should do nothing but submit to the fraud. But those also mean that Jesus' disciples were sinning when their earthly authorities didn't want them to preach. Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego would have been sinning by not bowing before the king's image. Our founding fathers would have founded a nation on sin by rebelling against the Crown.
But I like this quote from the patriot:
Food for thought.
There is an exception where authority is no longer ordained or established by God. In our case, the election was rigged using fraudulent voting machines. The votes were manipulated. It is controlled by arbitrary numbers. The election is therefore fake. The authority is not established by God.
Romans 13 is about how to behave and if you run afoul of local customs, and receive punishment for such, that punishment is righteous because you were out of line. Example: if you go to a gay bar to stop dudes from hooking up because it is a sin, and all the gay guys beat you up for it, that is a godly punishment because you shouldn't have been there acting like an asshole. At least, that's what makes sense to me. Romans 13 is clearly not about blindly obeying every government command because Christianity was illegal for hundreds of years and yet, there were still Christians for all those years.
What is “ our way”? Jesus was the only perfect, sinless person to ever walk the earth. He stated that there isn’t one good person among us. We’re all sinners, therefore “no one comes to the Father except through me”. Meaning that to be saved by Jesus you must repent of your sins and ask Jesus into your heart. This can be very hard for some because they love their sin.
Why do you assume anyone is trying to "win you over"? People are simply stating their beliefs. We still have the right to believe whatever we like and talk about those beliefs freely...whether it offends you or not.
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter in law against her mother in law." Mathew 10:34,35
Can you explain what that passage means? Asking in all honesty because I don’t know.
To me, it means that being a follower of Christ is to welcome conflict and persecution for your beliefs. Being a Christian is about a lifelong battle against sin and temptation which can come from anything in your life. Commitment to God and following Christ does not always sit well with everyone in your life. Again, these are my beliefs so keep that in mind.
"I feel judged, so stop talking religions k?"
Sorry, no. Deal.
Then just fuck off, your judgement means nothing to anyone but yourself.
Then why are you so mad?
Being agnostic is better than atheist. Although there are no agnostics in fox holes. Why is that?
Yeah soon as I read that comment I was like great I'm on the side of religious zealots... I don't like the idea of having to pretend to be religious no more than I like the idea of having to pretend to support Biden.
If people need God, then use it as your pillar of strength. Just don't make the illusion that we are ALL on the side of God.
You don't have to believe in God, if you support the Constitution and people's freedoms, you're on our side.
That being said, the liberal elite in the United States and globally is filled with satanic pedophiles
The elites are for the most part godless. They are on their way out, in case people haven't noticed. Truth and justice, law and order are on their way in. Personally, I cannot wait until they get here. Reading the posted list of "how to's" when it comes to spreading lies and cancelling the truth was exhausting. What a non-productive use of energy that will ultimately get us nowhere.
how are they on the way out?
Yeah man, atheism has brought about great things such as communism, consumerism, porn, and every other degeneracy under the sun. Like bro keep that shit to yourself and let me enjoy my heckin wholesome tranny porn
People can be agnostic or atheist and still have good morals. Reading through the top few comments, religion is only being divisive in a time we need to be sticking together. Here we are debating religion instead of discussing ways to work together.
Your good morals come from a societal standard. When the standard is set by Christianity then even agnostic and atheists maintain a good image and try to be moral people.
The left, mostly atheist, resetting the rules and turning morality into a “moral Wild West” end up accepting some degenerate that dresses in a furrie suit and literally fucks his dog.
Why I am sperging out like an autist is because atheists say “we don’t need Christianity to be moral!!”
Have enough generations of that and folks who aren’t tied to being answerable to a higher power that wants you to maintain some standards and bam.. you’re in the moral Wild West.
So .. imagine if you will.. being a Christian and watching edgelords shit on you for years and just accepting it. But if someone shits on another religion, those same edgelords defend them.
Imagine.. those people start trending towards all these whacky ways of thinking, for example full term abortion..
Then imagine, some of these spastics realise how far off the deep end these idiots are going, finally wake up and then join the side that has the majority of Christians.
For us.. it’s like .. “yeah thanks.. fucking finally”
So the left is level 10 of “we don’t need Christianity to be good people”
“We don’t need Christianity” is level 1.
Don’t worry, I like level 1-3 atheists. Most of my friends are that. But when you apply your atheist morality, which will eventually lead to “omg stop kink shaming shitlord!” Just realise to us, you are the rot that has infected the left... and now you are here.
But yeah, level 1 atheists are alright.
This is debatable, and one you’d lose. Our entire set of laws are built on Judeo-Christian values. Remove those values and the laws collapse in on themselves. Remove those values and it becomes easy to make arguments that all sorts of immoral shit is really moral. Just look at the degeneration of the left for an example.
May I remind you that this started with an a-religious fellow talking smack? Many of us are tired of having to take that bullshit from the Establishment.
The most moral and honest guy I’ve ever known was an agnostic. He had a love of country and the constitution and went out of his way to help others. While on the other hand the most dishonest, selfish bastards I’ve known was always preaching to others about their sins and shortcomings and inviting them to church.
What's the point of having morals while being an Atheist? The very fact that many atheists have morality should show them there is a God, or creator, because if we are just luck of the draw advanced animals no concept of morality should exist. Increased intelligence does not make someone more moral.
Every atheist should do whatever they can get away with to benefit themselves regardless of morality if they truly believe there is no God, otherwise they aren't living like true atheists because to have morals would be illogical.
Divided we stand, love it.
Catholicism
Ya christians never caused any problems, Oh wait it has. I think the estimate death's from christians is up to 100 million.
If things go hot against the left, expect that number to go up. Whose side are you on? The people that want men to be men, who fight for their culture or do you want to be fighting for some 40yo unemployed tranny who can’t fight beside you because he needs to be on the back line educating your child on how to take hormones. Your wife isn’t educating your child, because she’s too busy wearing a pussy hat, spending her time stabbing you in the back and protesting against all the mean Christian men and the way they think.
Cry me a fucking river that Christians have defended what they believe in. Come, join us. If you want to be a level 1 atheist, so be it. Luckily we don’t wish to harm those that don’t want to chop our children’s penises off or silence us, so you always have room here to thrive.
But yeah... start becoming a fruitloop degenerate who aggressively pushes your craziness and it might be time for some righteous fury.
And Technique #3 goes into effect here.....
^ knew someone would be paying attention.
This comment is underrated. Frens, we are supposed to be on the same page not arguing about religion in a thread about the bullshit cointell , shareboo, etc pulls.
Being a zealot is not a bad thing, necessarily. I'm sure you'reon the side of people who are lots of things you don't subscribe to. This thing that unites us here is a good thing. That's the beautyof being Americans, we can disagree on everything, but be united by our common values and beliefs. Although I do not see a problem with believing in God with all your heart. Also, if you are on the side of truth you are by default on the same side as God, because He is truth. Don't worry, being near Christians is not going to hurt you, we think everyone should have free-will and if we're doing it right we aren't being judge-y or overbearing.
weird reaction.
you dont have to be religious to understand how useful the language and what an uncomfortable fascade it would be to lefties to use to create a place without misinfo to communicate.
Look at your own reaction. You are so repelled. It could be used as a safety measure against misinfo/disinfo.
Which technique is this mr. Handshake
The truth.
Very diluted topic 👌
I dont disagree with the idea in your statement but it has nothing to do with the idea you were responding to. Thus it appears as a tactic of diffusing the ideas
Not diffusing. I think that’s clear.
The left worships politicians and celebrities, it's sick.
I know batshit crazy leftist Christians that believe Biden is doing God's work and Trump was "the devil". Explain that.
“Batshit crazy”. Explained
There are alsoministers who push transvestitism. There are preachers who run their church like a dictatorship with man-made rules.
These understandably turn a lot of people off. What Christianity is to me, is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. When you can open your soul to Him, and actually let The Holy Spirit have influence in your life, you will be changed. Always for the better. Always with truth and love.
what does your conscience tell you?
It's not me that needs convincing as I always know where I stand.
Believers know that Satan has fooled the masses. Revelation 12:9
If they believe in god, that there is an actually existing non physical entity, then it is possible to reason with them, as they are at least emotionally capable of aknowledging the existence of ideas such as 'fairness', 'objectivity', 'moral virtue', 'hypocrisy'. It is a person who is 100% engulfed in physicality who can 1 day call the BLM riots peaceful protests then the capital 'a dangerous inserruction' and not feel embarrassed. Because the heathens don't get embarrassment, it's me me me 100% of the time.
Well said brother, they will see in the end, until then pray!
There is a "natural problem" that runs along side to your comment -
The LEFT and the UNIPARTY make TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS when they ABUSE THE CONSTITUTION....
But on the Right - NO ONE MAKES ANY MORE "DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION" in these political battles.
Indeed - Trump likely lost extensive amounts of personal wealth taking Office. He was not bought off by Big Corpa... did no 'side deals' with CHINA etc like Hillary and Biden, and likely did not buy up Stock opportunities based on LAWS HE PUSHED.
This is a key problem for us on the Right....
Consider that what you are saying is true short term. Long term they literally are selling out their country and fellow Americans for personal gain, and for pennies on the dollar. Even longer term, where does the treason end for them? Are they selling their eternal souls so that they can spend eternity in hell?
As I see this.. there is only one narrow path...
We put in MAGA candidates.... LOTS OF MAGA CANDIDATES....
TAKE THE MAJORITY....
and pass laws (and actually enforce them) BANNING these practices of 'side deals' and bribes, opening up off-shore accounts, (Panama Papers) and organizing 'Foundations' in multiple countries so the MONEY LAUNDERING never even crosses US shores... (see Hillary, again)
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/incoming/article34597699.ece/ff685/AUTOCROP/w620/Panama-papers-leak.jpg
They are stealing the nation...
The very real possibility of them spending eternity in hell does literally nothing for us still in this life.
Jesus said this life will be gone in a flash, but your soul will live on eternally. To simply focus on this worldly life, and ignore the eternal life that awaits us is short sighted and dangerous.
And I'm saying that doing nothing now while hoping that "they" will be justly punished in the next life is far more dangerous.
James 4:14 Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes.
What I’m saying is that I think you’re short sighted.
We need to establish lines of communication. In order to do that we need to control our own networks and devices. In order to created networks and devices we need money. So in reality, I think first we need to create our own financial systems. We see banks and major credit cards cutting off conservative companies such as Gab. We cannot crowd fund. So first establish a free banking system.
Next we need to create free ISP and devices. No more worry that the app store will shut you down.
We need establish free communication platforms. Now that we have control over our own apps we can have social media and communications.
Get millions of patriots to support free banking, free isp and device companies.
Now that we have established our own infrastructure we can start building.
Establish our own education. Vet which schools educate our youth honestly and truthfully. All patriots agree to move to these locations send our kids to these schools.
Create our own entertainment. When our movies and music are making big money the left will melt down. But they cannot cancel us because we have our own infrastructure.
Of course establish our own political party with the emphasis on election integrity and the constitution. Any party politician that doesn't cooperate is kicked out of the party and voted against.
All patriots support patriot owned businesses.
Now we have our own country within the country thriving and we will eventually win back control of our country.
Building upon this idea will help.
The basic idea is to lift from the left what they do. "Be the change you want to see." AKA: "Act locally, think Globally" (or in our case, Nationally, which is an easier target)
Do the little things every day that you need to do to move the social Overton window back towards traditional America. We don't do this enough as we either assume that everyone believes like we do or that NOBODY does and we are all alone.
Whether we are in a crowd or all alone, it is IMPORTANT to stand up for what we believe (The Constitution, Freedom, etc.) and not back down. Do the Right Thing and oppose the evils of leftist everywhere.
This is how organic movements succeed, by having a core set of principles and everyone following them every day, pushing those principles outward into the world around them.
I had the same thought process yesterday while watching “Fierce Creatures “ an old movie starring Jaime Lee Curtis. Anyway, the zoo wanted to get rid of all animals that weren’t “fierce “. So the zookeepers came up with a campaign to fierce up the turtles, lemurs, etc. Why are we allowing the left to define us. What if we start spreading information about the 75 million + Trump voters or Patriots. Real information. Commercials, flyers, posts, emails - about who we really are. We are average people looking to live a good wholesome life. My college student asked me “why are you SATISFIED with your average life”? My answer: I love my average life. What’s wrong with enjoying and being satisfied with a wholesome, moral life?
I've come to terms with the fact that conservatives are just master larpers and lazy coward fucks who will do anything they can to avoid violence even if it's their final option and constitutional duty. Even after we all go to gulags/camps they will still say they have the moral high ground and the left/progressive/socialist commies are evil and we did the right thing. That's the hill they LITERALLY want to die on. Optics means everything to these idiots. I'm just awaiting for my death or the countries whichever order it happens. I wish I could fight but nobody will go to arms with me.
It's not that nobody will, although I do agree with your evaluation of a distinct demographic of moral demagogues, but those that have correctly identified the imminent danger we face and the potential solution are purposefully kept demoralized, separated, and isolated. That's what this post is instrumental in calling out: The tactics used by our opposition to keep us in this state. We desperately need a solution to this problem, pronto.
Agree, we have allowed ourselves a false sense of security. Ie, “when the shooting starts we will win in one minute,” “they are fat larping tranny idiots,” “we are the real majority,” etc etc.
Their bit players may be dumb but they have organization. We are like a powerful elephant being squeezed by a snake. We are more powerful but our lack of organization is getting us killed.
Problem is we have no real place to organize as of yet. Its why I keep hoping we can get state wins; we need to come together and tackle stats by state but.. no platform to do it on. We had that problem during elections too
Isn’t the problem that even if the platform wasn’t compromised, the method of communication is at the fundamental level?
True! But its a good place for us to start. The .wins are all we’ve got (online)
We do have places to organize... not online.
When you live in an extremely blue liberal state with a bunch of psychos, online is all you’ve got until you meet people
Heck, even when you don't, getting people together runs into problems of getting people to actually group together. As someone who plays tabletop games, we've been having issue with getting people together even before covid.
I think they've made you think it's a blue "state", but it's not.
We should organize around our duly elected President, Donald J. Trump. He is the reason that we all came here to begin with, and that includes the disinformation agents among us. No one in this world since Jesus Christ has been as broadly persecuted by the ruling elites who control this world. Why? Because they knew that not only was he a threat, he was an accelerating steam roller who was going to crush the "old guard" and build a country and a world for the people. Upside down pyramid where the people are at the top. Their worst nightmare. How messed up is that? President Trump is the best dream that the American people could have had, and IT ACTUALLY CAME TRUE.
Its not just the lack of organization. Whenever we try to organize, you've got a great chance of getting an glowboy in your group or otherwise people who want to destory us infilitrating in
100% Agree. I guess my last sentence about feeling hopeless is what they want with my perceive view that nobody else wants to fight.
Then go out and engage in non violent activism or civil disobedience. At least then you'd be doing something rather than fruitlessly lamenting how everyone else sucks on internet forums.
Incidentally, that's how the patriots started before 1776; they gradually escalated for years. No revolution ever got started without a cadre of activists who got good at real life organisation.
Why so I can disappear ccp style by the fbi? I'm not even high profile nobody will care unlike stroka. I appreciate you concern but your saw what happened when people peacefully protested in dc capitol. Nuh uh no thanks!
Thanks I guess..
I saw the footage. That wasn't peaceful protest, certainly not large parts of it anyway. As for getting disappeared, don't be so dramatic. You want a civil war but you're too scared to sit down on a footpath or door knock or chant? Thy name is LARPer.
more peaceful then the BLM "peaceful protests" you commie bootlicker.
I’m still unsure why we needed to “peacefully “ protest? Didn’t we see the election stolen? Now we are once again the deplorables? Who cares??? I say we own it. Get in line or move out of the way...
The capitol riot was an unforced error or maybe a trap, but civil war LARPing wannabes still won't realise their methods don't work.
I got downvoted for saying it was retarded before it happened, and now I get downvoted for saying it was retarded even though we all quietly agree it was a disaster.
He is quite literally the thing he's accusing other people of being...... kek
Upset because people won't go die beside him right now today but the idea of getting in trouble for civil disobedience?.... Oh heck noes guys! Heck noes!
That comment there is the single most unpopular thing I've ever said here and I have no frigging idea why. One guy even thought I was a boogaloo, it's bizarre and ass backwards.
Ok General Boogaloo, lead the charge
Are you responding to the wrong person? How does advocating non-violent activism make me a boogaloo? I'm saying that the sensible path is neither trying to be a boogaloo nor sitting back and leaving things to politicians.
This place is turning into mirror image r/politics.
No, Conservatives are just very busy people who work hard doing real work and who dedicate much time to their families. What happens is that we are against a well funded professional marxist-progressive force, run by by fanatics dedicated 24/7 to destroy us by any means. We have to understand this and find out how to deal with it because there is a real danger.
I will fight beside you, Special Agent--- I mean fellow patriot!
This guy clearly didnt understand post or didn't read it. So when is the big fishing trip to that guys 5 gallon pond going to happen?
It's not cowardly to avoid a conflict and give up everything you have in life, if actual war breaks out ita going to have so many unintended consequences and will be a disaster. No same person wants it to come to that.
Brazil was able to oust a communist government by just picking a date and occupying their capitol. They also dont have the second amendment. You dont need force to overthrow a tyrant, just enough people to show that the tyrant will not be tolerated,
I question what would have happened if the people at the Capitol on Jan 6 had stood their ground and spoken their demands (election audit).
You have a valid point. We were just asking for a reasonable response from our government. This is not a move to usurp. This is a request for a voice in the process.
That is precisely force. (Which is different to violence.)
Worked...mostly.....in Egypt, too.
That’s what I’m talking about!
Truth is like a gold nugget in a pile of shit, it will stick out and shine as beautiful, attract interest, even when they throw shit at it.
Actually "FORCE" is essential for reform, indicated by Curtis Yarvin.
And note, that FORCE and VIOLENCE are two different things.
https://graymirror.substack.com/p/reflections-on-the-late-election
Many of these techniques are being employed here on a regular basis. We are constantly flooded with shills and trolls, and then there are agents at work inside doing these things listed in the post. This is why it's important that the forum not be allowed to get out of control. Those screaming the loudest about deportations being censorship are most likely agents or at least are willing to derail the conversation for their own ends. Then there are those who either obliquely or directly call for violent actions. These are the most dangerous and must get the ban hammer as fast as possible. Even if they are just pissed off patriots, this is not the forum for such discussions, nor is it the place to organize them.
I agree with your evaluation on deportations from the forum, but conflating defending our Republic via use of force as violence is a narrative perpetrated by Pravda, INC., not patriots. I am not committing violence if I defend my home from invaders using force, nor is it the case for those defending their Republic.
I wan't talking about saying you will defend your home, there are people calling for outright civil war. that is what I referred to. My saying that they can have my guns bullets first, is not advocating a violent overthrow of government. That is a discussion for another place.
I call for those who swore an oath and serve in our government and military to fulfill their duty - failing that? There's only so many ways this can progress because an illegitimate government has a terminal disease. It's called being cornered or pushed too far - only so many ways to counter that - rolling over and acceptance? That's not something many will consider an option. Of course, our enemies want this, they want their self fulfilling prophetic declaration of MAGA being their dangerous enemy to come true - at this juncture they are likely to get more than they bargained for... But they are the enemy, always have been. Time for honesty. Globalist sponsored traitors have stolen our Republic - political process is dead.
I'm 100% with you. If we can't have legitimate elections moving forward, esp since the swamp is looking to make all the cheating legalized, what other options are there? Run for local offices? Run for senate/house seats? As if they will let a non-swamp creature into the devil club they've created. I think it's time this site faces the reality that the only way forward is a likely a violent one. I never thought I would have ever advocated for this but we are at the point of no return and if I want to make sure my kids never have to bend their knee to communism or wait in breadlines, I plan to protect them and this nations constitution from terrorism/tyranny, both foreign and domestic.
Acknowledging likely outcomes is important - at this point the more people who realize the severity of this situation will be far more effective in resolving it moving forward.
The perpetrators of this coup and their enablers need to be advised that they are playing with fire. And as I said before, I think that is what they desire to further their globalist agenda.
It is a trap already set that will be unavoidable unless something unforeseen occurs.
Just as the bully hankering for a fight may throw the first punch, we may yet see what happens to the bully when the schoolyard has had enough of him.
You dont realize it but OP spelled out exactly what we can do. These psyop techniques can be used by us as well! And there are ALOT of us and we are far more motivated than some gov employee.
Imagine everywhere you looked there were fliers revealing Huntet Biden pics. Or we periodically brigaded websites. Or put in clips of the suitcase steal in random funny videos. In large brigade waves so it was impossible to censor them all
Source: https://archive.is/O4KHc
does not work
Works when I click on it. I just clicked on it, loaded it, and pulled the original off of it: https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
Sure, but revolutionary talk on an open forum is a bad idea.
"this is not the forum for such discussions, nor is it the place to organize them."
Then tell me what is, 90% of sites outside here is compromised and full of censorship, Just asking.
You make a good point, there are few websites that allow us to speak our minds.
But some conversations are best had privately, not publicly. Use the right tool for the job.
Be 100% certain that we are all on a FBI list and every word we say is analyzed to be used against us daily with the ultimate goal to knock on your door and end your citizenship. You can do whatever you want with that reality, but it should inform your actions somewhat in conversations you have on a public forum known to be monitored by the enemy.
Please explain what you mean. I do not follow you.
Were the plans of any army, who participated in any battle, throughout history, broadcast to the public beforehand? I am not aware of any such occurrences. It would seem like tactical suicide to publicly discuss such plans.
I am not well versed in military history though. Perhaps this happens and I am just not aware of it. My understanding is that such matters are always discussed privately along a chain of command on a need to know basis.
That I understand and yes it does pose a problem. Wish I knew the answer.
Can't form an army without publicly recruiting in some manner. Once recruited then you operate in the dark on private channels.
One not hosted in the United States, for a start.
Or China, lest it need be said.
Go to donor.watch
Find other Trump supporters in your area (you'll only find those who put their money where there mouth is)
Organize weekly meetings
Practice your skills and strengths together
Decide for yourselves
"Hi, you don't know me, but I saw you donated to Trump. Want to meet up with a stranger?"
Antifa tried to set up a "Trump meet" on /r/portland back in the day. Luckily nobody fell for it.
Seriously, don't meet/organize with ANYBODY from online. You WILL go to jail.
You want to know where to find likeminded patriots? Go to fucking church.
And not any of that gay liberal rainbow flag waving methodist shit. Find some real angry baptist motherfuckers.
How do we stop it though? Because I have seen based handshake accounts as well. There's always going to be more based people out there to get to join here but that leaves it open to bad guys. How can this even be combatted effectively?
Handshake =/= shill
Some things just require experience. Stay skeptical of EVERY account.
That's exactly what I'm saying. We could shut down handshakes but then we couldn't grow. The shills come with allowing the handshakes and we just have to stay vigilant.
Shills are already here with convincing accounts. It's not hard to pretend to be in support of transparent elections and occasionally employ the above tactics. Sure the obvious ones are usually handshakes but you'll have a lot of trouble spotting those gunning for a mod position.
The mod position is the most dangerous. Look at the damage that Jody did? We still don't know fully how deeply this hurt us as a community.
You're right. Don't let that stop you from getting involved locally though.
Sticky this, perhaps. Everybody should at least glance at it.
Glance at it? I need to print this out and have it on the wall...
Why? Just take in each post for it's value
Why is this downvoted? There is no other way to vet anonymous forum members other than by the content of their posts over time.
Site admins have some additional vetting techniques, but for us, we make these judgements on a case by case basis.
We're in an information war now and without our own means of communication and removing infiltrators we're at a tremendous disadvantage.
At least, everybody should memorize that document. That way they can laugh in the faces of the people who use those techniques and say, "aha, I see you are doing number seven on The List! Cute! We see it."
Communication must be local and non-electronic, which consists of talking to people in person you are friendly with.
Money will be spent going forward, big money, one hopes, to provide media platforms.
A team of lawyers to call to defend those who are doxxed, fired, and canceled would be good also. That should have been done five minutes after the election i 2016.
The atmosphere of fear must be combated with lawsuits. We saw how Nick Sandmann brought that off. His success is unusual; it should not be unusual, everybody should have easy access to what he had.
How about a tl;dr?
I see this in play all the time, all over the internet... including here.
One shill that I've been noticing a LOT is some variation of this:
"Fuck Rudy Giuliani! He lead us on with all of those fake promises of evidence that never surfaced!"
"Fuck Sidney Powell. We waited for months and she never delivered the kraken!"
"Fuck Bannon! He sat there every day telling us he had the receipts, but then he never delivered them!"
It's a really weird sort of shill that's kind of hard to wrap your head around. I think it's consensus cracking? But it also seems to have a built in presupposition that there was "no substantial evidence of voter fraud".
Has anyone else noticed this? It's just so odd and sticks out like a sore thumb when you see pedes claiming that Rudy, Sidney, Bannon, etc. never delivered any evidence.
I don't know what to make of it.
Edit:
Here are two direct quotes I've read from comments that somehow have 50+ upvotes:
"Screw Pardons. Am still waiting on Rudy to drop his mega-evidence."
"Sidney "Bombshells" Powell says we're going to be shocked when the truth comes out (over the next few weeks)"....that was 2 months ago."
I don't think so, dude.
You're missing the point. They're pretending that there WASNT "bombshell" evidence dropped.
They're pretending like the "Kraken" wasn't released.
The Kraken WAS released. The bombshells WERE dropped.
Anyone pretending to be a pede that also claims there was "no evidence" is either lying or simply wasn't paying attention.
It's one thing to complain about the COURTS refusing to HEAR the evidence. It's a different thing entirely to try to pretend that bombshell evidence wasn't released.
Which part exactly was the kraken?
Start here: https://hereistheevidence.com/
.... We are.
Edit: But if you expect further "movement" in terms of the courts actually doing something, then of course we aren't. The biggest scandal here isn't even the election fraud. The biggest scandal is the complete negligence and complicity of the entire justice system.
technically, it wasn't the top post. If you "minus sign" the first post by the handshake account "Garretist" you will find the rest of the thread very on-topic. That ONE sub-thread is the derail.
Just deport Garretist and indicate it was a technique 3 post.
Yep. As a Christian, I find his posts very derailing. Either an Agent account or just a moron. Either way, needs to go. Deport!
...but then why did you participate in the “debate about religion” (with a massively downvoted blackpill comment that nobody liked)?
Those may be good times to point out that the actual Trump campaign lawsuits are still ongoing and no lawyer will publically dump their evidence during a trial.
Also there was a shit ton of clear and definitive evidence dropped. To claim otherwise would be nonsense.
I hear you. Then again i knew Q was a psyop about a week into it's postings. Probably coming from the IC in some mannee
I don't really see how Q is related to any of that stuff.
Rudy, Sidney, Bannon, Raheem, etc. etc. - TONS of people dropped TONS of concrete and definitive evidence.
The courts and media simply ignored it.
Well they're the closest thing to "leaders" this "movement" (if you can call wanting election transparency a movement) has. Would make sense to turn opinion against them.
That makes a lot of sense.
I think there's also an element of "assuming the sale" in the way described by Scott Adams. The real sale is "there was no evidence presented" but then you go BEYOND that and assume that as a premise and make another claim on top. "Rudy sucks because there was no evidence! He let us down!"
Yep I agree with that. Even after seeing the evidence I've felt those feelings when reading comments like that. Always have to reassure myself that what I saw was REAL and ILLEGAL.
You’re right. I’ve noticed this too. You’ve summarized it very astutely. Pay no attention to the poster arguing with you — I’m pretty sure that’s a shill/fed, and s/he must be very nervous about their playbook being exposed.
So what should we do about it? If we can see it then certainly we can defend against it in some way.
Shill back, Trump Won
Some of the stuff mentioned is good old debate tactics 101, so there is good reason to use it when discussing new ideas or arguing a different viewpoint.
I’m referring to the general persuasiveness line items. Not the purposefully deceptive ones.
It can be hard to tell the difference though sometimes. Which is why we see a preponderance of accusations flying around here.
Hint: not everyone who disagrees with you is an undercover agent.
Bonus hint: being likeminded is different than being same minded.
Posts that should be always stickied:
Donald Trump is THE real president by Law. "Biden Administration" is a media-installed fraud, we have more than enough evidence.
Media Propaganda "Normalization" tricks exposed - like this here. The "New Reality" discussion ("Biden is so bad bla-bla-bla we should just wait in our corner and Trump will win in 2024") effectively distracts us from the fact above.
And way too many people who have correctly identified Joe Biden as a literal Manchurian Candidate, a puppet in every sense of the word, are expending infinite energies over the past few days just watching him. We've gotten used to the President being the center, but now that couldn't be further from the Truth. We desperately need transparency in what his admins, cabinet, policy czars, and ABC agency admins are doing.
Wellllll, they've been saying for years that the conversation is over and they don't want to negotiate soooooooooooooooo..............
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I see insurrection might be making a comeback. Hope not, buuuuuuuuutttt......
TiMe FoR uNiTy!
Better to be paranoid and aware than ignorantly upvoting distractions. Paranoia doesn't automatically equate to no action.
Sounds like something a psyop shill would say. No thanks, not buying your crap. I will remain suspicous of all types of behavior here and accusing me of being a "do-nothing" is exactly the kind of shit someone who is engaging in psyops would say. It literally has nothing to do with whether or not someone is taking action. Passively ignoring potential psyops is the do-nothing activity, if anything.
LOL what is your logic here? Being aware that bad actors exist equates to "doing nothing" because reasons. Ok guy, nice "no u" btw.
And then there's you. The guy telling everyone else they should be doing things on PDW. Using "do stuff" as a bludgeon to attack other people who are raising awareness of problems that exist within our community.
It's only paranoia if they aren't out to get you.
This site could use a rewrite of its Rules, to address what you mention. The existing rules are good, and concise, but could be expanded to provide clear, helpful examples.
And then of course those rules need to be enforced, alongside public explanation of the enforcement. This is how the community can train itself to be more effective with how we communicate.
You are conflating censorship with site rules.
This site already has rules, you can read them in the sidebar.
Since those rules do not grant you free speech, any resulting enforcement of said rules is simply known as enforcement, not censorship.
Do you understand the difference, or are you just being argumentative?
I don't mind arguing it further if you truly do not see the difference. 'm just trying to help you understand the reality of this situation.
From the site rules:
Laws are coercive. They exist above and beyond the site rules. The site rules stipulate you follow the laws.
Both Laws and Rules are ultimately suggestions. It is up to the individual to decide to comply or not, and if they are willing to face the consequences.
In any case, since it still does not appear to be clear for you: your first amendment rights do not apply to this website. The first amendment is a contract between you and the US government. This site has its own, different contract.
This doesn't work in ultra right wing forums. Like at all. Those forums are completely impervious to 100% of these techniques.
The reason is that their world views are extremely finely honed and well formed. The reason this works here is because people have not fully discovered and honed their belief systems. Most people here simply have a general sense of "something is wrong on the left" but don't know why and believe that this defines their world view and ethics. It doesn't this is just the beginning of that journey.
The reason the above tactics exist and the reason that the entire left industrial complex is coming for us, bans us, throws us off of payment processors is that they are afraid of ONLY ONE THING:
They are afraid of your world view and ethics solidifying into a finely honed instrument of political identity.
Once that happens, you will organize and you will move mountains to get the country back. You are the majority of the population, all you guys have to do is start to believe.
Like when 4chan decided to "raid" Voat and we didn't even notice.
This is an amazing breakdown of modern propaganda.
Reddit is a complete shitshow controlled by these techniques.
The glowies and faggoty shills are definitely here using some of them.
It's everywhere; platforms like facebook who have AI-boosted moderation don't get as much love from the glowies, since they're already near-perfect brainwashing devices.
Even worse, propagandists influence the others in the forum to start arguing like they do. Using techniques without being aware they're techniques. For a deeper understanding of the mechanics of it, go watch The Social Dilemma.
In my opinion the worst part about a list like this is for every single thing here I can think of an example where a completely innocent person could do that by accident.
"Slide threads" happen when someone posts about something off-topic from w/e the current event happening is? People post random memes all the time, and whatever is happening people usually want do want to draw attention to slightly older happenings or suspected upcoming happenings etc. etc.
"Consensus cracking" is when someone intentionally posts in support of a topic without the best possible justification? What if someone legitimately believes a justification less than the best is the best? What happens if someone's simply mistaken?
I'm 100% sure we're infiltrated and watched by people who hate us, but when you really dig down into what this list is it's hard not to wonder if it in itself is a psy-op.
It kind of reminds me of the "virgin-vs-chad" meme where the 'virgin' is basically made as generic as possible to try to catch at least some of the average reader's features.
In a short while, Google will probably have robots doing these techniques on an epic scale.
If they don't already, lol. Chatbots are very common, usually for advertising purposes.
China is already doing this on Twitter.
It wouldn't surprise me. I'm always uneasy watching the folks here reveal what guns they have.
Same with Melania Mondays, and all the offtopic "weekly trend" posts you have to scroll through.
If you have guns the government doesn't know about, don't post them. If the government already knows about a piece, or already knows you have 20 guns, then it doesn't really matter.
Summed up- anyone who slanders someone as a "conspiracy theorist" is a faggot.
I knew that.
Been thinking. Best response to "conspiracy theory" is "Hey, that just means 'Crime allegation.' You think crime doesn't happen?"
Also point out RICO laws and various RICO prosecution cases.
I strongly recommend everybody to read Schopenhauer's "Eristic Dialectic: The Art of Winning an Argument", the full text (must be somewhere online, but better also buy the book as it's a must have in everybody's shelf).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Being_Right
Schopenhauer wrote it as a mocking of dishonest debates but it's a handy guide not only for hardcore trolling yourself but for being prepared to recognize attempts of infiltration.
The tactics mentioned above look like an adapted version of it.
https://www.mnei.nl/schopenhauer/38-stratagems.htm
That last page - "Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression" is basically "A Guide to the Experience You'll Have on Reddit and Twitter." I just respond "#TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020 #TRUMP2020"
This can all be seen through with some perspective. If you have not noticed, nothing is debated anymore, just shoved down the throat.
The right needs to play the lefts game and play it better. We need organization to do exactly this. Problem is that most conservatives are principled and leftists are not. The average conservative would feel really uncomfortable doing this kind of manipulation while the average leftist wouldn’t at all.
That’s true. We’re not thinking in terms of information warfare and lies to seize power, we’re thinking we need to expose truth to ensure power is distributed. That puts us at a disadvantage but it’s still possible to win. The left enslaves and the right liberates. But people still need to read Gene Sharp.
I will say... Our communications are finally growing stronger.
Gab is amazing. I suggest everyone here try it.
Patriots.win... Love it here.
But, the fact we aren't really accepted in the mainstream is bad... So what we need to do is, we need to become the mainstream with Gab.
spend 1 1/2 year on pol and this means nothing, shills dont register at all
I will never EVER stop supporting Trump!!!!! Looking forward to what he does next!!!!!!!
This is literally the Communist Bible.
Sounds liken most leftists. Wittingly nor unwittingly they tow the tyrant line
Do you have the source link for this?
Edit: Nevermind, I found it: https://archive.is/O4KHc
Yes, I originally saw this as "The gentle person's guide to forum spies" on... AboveTopSecret.com, haha.
It's been out there for awhile and still holds true today.
Much easier to read at this link
To fucking true
That is what happened on Jan 6th. There was a blackout at The Donald. You needed captchas to enter and even if you did enter everything was really slow and the site was crashing regularly. If you managed to get to the new posts section of the site you would see that all the posts were calling for riots and all comments that disagreed were downvoted to hell. Also there were "fuck trump he betrayed us" posts when he posted the tweet and the video condemning the riots. Im sure a reasonable amount of frens fell for the posts and were agreeing with them but thats peer pressure for you. Its hard for most people to think for themselves. Needless to say when the attacks faded away people started thinking more clearly and realized it was mostly antifa that breached the capitol... So who was making the posts that called for civil unrest? Some guys that were sitting behind their computers.
P.S: The accounts that called for radical actions were not new, so it was all planned.
A lot of us truly believed in what was happening, looked forward to some actual consequences for those in power, and were disappointed Trump didn't pull the trigger.
It may have been spearheaded by antifa, but it was not "mostly antifa" - it was mostly patriots, and they kept the looting, vandalism, and arson being advocated by antifa from happening.
Our country is founded on the premise that the people must always be more powerful than the government, and have a duty to overthrow the government if it becomes odious and intolerable. There's a real discussion to be had about where that line is. It's a scary discussion, but everyone who disagrees with you isn't a shill. Some are, for sure, but there's a lot of real people on both sides.
I agree that many patriots wanted it to happen, but they dont understand that it cannot happen in the current situation. Many tough talks about 1776, but in 2021, unfortuantely, almost half of the country backs the current government.
It could have happened. Martial law backed by millions of armed citizens, retroactively-enforced term limits, clean election with all new candidates and actual security... All it needed was for Trump to play the dictator they constantly accused him of being, for a single month before riding into the sunset.
It would have been a mess, but it would have worked.
Feels like I now live in some socialist or communist country. The internet and near immediate information is such a double edged.sword.
You live in a Communist country now. Or at the very least a banana republic. The globalists have nearly secured their tentative victory.
If you believe it is true that we are in an information war...
And you believe the true enemy is the media...
And you also believe that the media is 100% disinformation...
And you also believe that the voices of truth tellers are being silences by the voices of liars...
Then there is only one option.
The silencers must be silenced, the flow of disinformation must be stopped, and the truth must be shouted from the highest mountain tops.
I have an idea on how to make this happen, and it doesn't necessarily have to be violent, bit it will require the organization of about 200-500 patriots in small/medium cities, and 500-1000 in larger cities.
I'm listening...
Without going into too much detail...
Think CHAZ at news station parking lots, without the Leftist retardation
Lots of RVS, trucks & SUVs blocking traffic into the buildings & on streets on the surrounding areas. Force the media into recognizing the voices of those they've silenced, ignored & disrespected. Force their hand into giving airtime to voices they would otherwise never let be heard.
Of course there'd be other points of action, but essentially... just a week long urban camping trip, frens.
all it takes its someone to organize that. Leftists groups are constantly doing this, because despite 95% of their activities failing to gain traction, the 5% that does pushes their agenda forward. Think about the BLM riots over the summer. How many "events" did they try and push before George Floyd got traction? The joggers, the wendys guy et cetera. When they want to run a play book, they keep trying until it works.
Exactly. Tbe question is... how do we network? How do we organize that w/o tipping it off to people that might put the kibosh on it before kick off?
how do leftist groups do it? The direction is given publicly, the planning is done privately.
Look me up on Gab. Ill Eagle Media.
What's your idea
I see this as training material to screw with leftists in reverse
This needs to be required reading or should at least be permanently stickied
Text/Link of/to the original post:
https://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5
Nice find, I stole my copy from Funnyjunk lol.
I wish that we could go back to the 90's internet when it was the wild west and there was zero censorship.
Yea, and to think we were stupid enough to think that would last because “the internet is decentralized”.
This is excellent information and none of it surprises me but it's good to see definitive proof of a large amount of the sick methods these fucking creeps use, thanks
I dunno if anyone here was ever a "somethingawful.com goon" but this is precisely what happened to that forum. The birthplace of the first Internet meme (all your base) and a truly free and open forum where people came to strengthen their knowledge base, train their debate skills, and share otherwise impossible to find information where nobody automatically assumed you were lying or otherwise fake. Started in 1999 (I joined in 03) by Rich "Lowtax" Kyanka, it steadily gained users that amounted to well over 100,000 registered users who each paid a minimum of $10 to post and participate. It employed a shirt list of very straight forward rules that served to prevent the forum from devolving into rampant trolling and kept people focused on the topics at hand. It was very unforgiving in that once you broke a rule, you were banned outright with no warning. However, redemption came in the form of another $10 bill that allowed you to keep your original account standing as well as provide you with a learning lesson and was very effective in helping you understand how to not be a garbage human.
It began to collapse some time around 2007/2008. Seemingly out if nowhere a whole new staff of moderators and admins came aboard. They were "woke" before woke was a word. Faggy authoritarians that trained the user base to constantly seek offense to everything and to rat each other out over semantics. At first they stuck to the "no warning bans" then the user base began to decline as they stopped re-registering after their ban. They then implemented the "probation" feature. Literally any half-way "offensive" joke anyone would tell earned them a random length probationary period that added "demerits" to your account. The forums were is steady collapse for years until Lowtax grew some balls and, some time around 2012/2013, reverted back to the old rules. Except by that time, there was no going back. People's minds were permanently altered and it never got it's groove back. I have revisited a few times since but there's nothing there anymore. Everyone is demoralized and paranoid.
I didn't figure out until just recently what actually happened. What caused this drastic change in a such a short amount of time....
Turns out, Lowtax had a sneaky little Chicom lady wiggle her way into his life. He was not forthcoming about his personal life until he Bagan doing video game livestreams beginning maybe 6 or 7 years ago. He married the Chicom, perhaps early on, and I can only imagine she played a big role in talking him into redoing his moderator staff. They ended up having children, two girls. The last time I saw them on a livestream I want to say the oldest was around 12 years old. Not long after that, it was clear that they had divorced. The kids and the wife were no longer a part of his life. She left when things began going south and I'm certain. It was some point halfway through Trump's term.
Buddy ran a budding internet cultural epicenter who's balls were snipped before they even dropped. He was infiltrated by a chinese CCP operative to destroy the subculture and help usher in the age of woke-ism. This is how they did it. They infiltrated internet subcultures before they even had a chance to show the world what free speech really was. Fucking diabolical and it infuriates me to no end.
Looks like you guys will have to take your country back.
Remember, you out number your government by a lot
Mods: Could we please have this as a permanent sticky on the board?
I notice this going on all the time. Would Patriots.win do a sticky thread with this information, or maybe one subject heading at a time and let us work at understanding it and then finding ways to combat these techniques or at least expose them for what they are ?
We really are in a war, and within 5 comments the tactics listed above are in use. right here.
The first thing I would like to see is a way to collapse following comments - it seems the moment someone makes a thoughtful comment any attempt at follow up discussion is hijacked.
Can someone TL;DR what this is?
How professional haters try to accuse you of expressing unpopular onions. Their goal is make you HESITATE to share your views and opinions, and, they hope, never say anything.
Government disinformation tactics and how to identify them
Is this like leaked or...? Is this real?
It's not a leak, its a post from 2015 I stole to bring clarity to government disinformation tactics that are used everywhere on the internet.
We need to remove the law allowing the federal government to perpetrate propaganda against its people.
Corruption has saturated every level of government. Even if you undid Obama's actions, they would still publish and propagate propaganda. They are demoralized, many believe it themselves. There is just no way to enforce it now.
Don't underestimate the significance of it. Look how far they stretched the PATRIOT act to their whim. It's not a hopeless cause.
The patriot act was stretched to the nth degree because it targeted civilians and benefited the government. Passing regulations on this current criminal government and administration will do nothing, because there is no one to enforce against their illegality. If there was, they wouldn't have gotten away with this stolen election.
Sunday Gunday
They already took my fingerprints, NICS, serial numbers, and everything when I bought my 9. So don't post or admit to your ghost guns, but.... otherwise Sunday Gunday ain't telling them anything they don't already know.
I wonder if an example of this is that great video of rand paul the other day where the comments were filled with hate for him because he didn't think Congress has the authority to override the states electors.
Can y'all imagine the precedent?
precedent of what? Asking the states in question to audit their results so the American people wouldn't be so divided on a questionable election that met all indicators of the precedent our Government has set to determine if foreign elections seem fraudulent?
Or the precedent of allowing a questionable election to be legitimized without scrutiny and thus cementing the view for over half the country that elections don't matter anymore?
Man, when I was first getting online, gaming and involved in forums, I would have thought this was the gayest shit ever. Written by some total basement fag who thought he could secretly control a internet forum.
Now, it's too big to laugh at anymore. The internet used to be edgelord zone incarnate, now it's grandma on facebook.
We need another, deeper internet.
Im going to post this above all men urinals
This text is explicitly linked to in the second rule in the sidebar.
It's not opposition. It's the ENEMY of the Republic and minions of Satan.
It's sad that they targeted AboveTopSecret forums. That's one of the longest running internet forums and it's bad enough that they're being surveiled, but on top of that they have glowies messaging on their forums.
I'm sure many of their users get shit on for the beliefs they hold on extra terrestrials and the like, but they also have to worry about the feds doing just that and posing as users.
I'm actually glad this is finally getting the proper attention. I've been saying since the late 1990s that where federal offices are concerned for a Republican to win the election he has to win the actual vote outside the margin of error. John Fund has been writing about this problem for at least 20 years now.
This has been just, "The way it is," inside the Beltway for decades. You don't call it out, you don't make an issue of it, you accept it for how things work.
One of the great things GEOTUS will be remembered for, I hope, is being one of the first office holders to call it out.
The scary thing is that while it's widespread in the sense that it's systemic, the truth is it's not massive in absolute scale. It is disturbing as to how little it takes to actually change the result of an election. Even a presidential election only requires a handful of precincts - sometimes counties - to shift the result. To make it worse, once the votes are in the system it is almost impossible to get them out.
There was a post I saw on 4chan a while back when gamergate was still a thing about sjws and it was basically a timeline of predictions of what was to come and how it would lead to Chinese style censorship to control the masses. I thought it was some larper or nutjob but looking back it was scary how accurate some of the things were. Does anyone have a copypasta?
Forums sliding is real; its happened to me long ago when running a game mod. Id put a lot of work into the content, and most of it was stolen. The thief then created several fake accounts and had off topic conversations with himself in a bunch of other threads in order to move my topic onto the second page. At the end of the sliding, he'd comment on his own topic to put it at the top of page 1 and did this for months to keep it that way. Forum mods wouldnt be bothered to do anything about it either. They were afraid of backlash to ban the guy and somehow plausible deniability existed that over the course of months, countless times, every time I came up with a new piece of content he just happened to do the exact same thing a day or two later.
This technique doesnt work as well with todays social media; yeah we still use forums but they have changed and often feature many many many more threads on the first page than they used to - ala Reddit.
** not saying it doesnt work, because it does and is still used; but more often than not the platform itself or a moderator just shadow bans the post and its never seen. Both Faceberg and Reddit do this regularly.