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posted ago by UnemployedMarx ago by UnemployedMarx +26 / -0

Central to these (theses and arguments) was and is the claim that it is only possible to understand the dominant moral culture of advanced modernity adequately from a standpoint external to that culture. That culture has continued to be one of unresolved and apparently unresolvable moral and other disagreements in which the evaluative and normative utterances of the contending parties present a problem of interpretation. For on the one hand they seem to presuppose a reference to some shared impersonal standard in virtue of which at most one of those contending parties can be in the right, and yet on the other the poverty of the arguments adduced in support of their assertions and the characteristically shrill, and assertive and expressive mode in which they are uttered suggest strongly that there is no such standard. My explanation was and is that the precepts that are thus uttered were once at home in, and intelligible in terms of, a context of practical beliefs and of supporting habits of thought, feeling, and action, a context that has since been lost, a context in which moral judgements were understood as governed by impersonal standards justified by a shared conception of the human good. Deprived of that context and of that justification, as a result of disruptive and transformative social and moral changes in the late middle ages and the early modern world, moral rules and precepts had to be understood in a new way and assigned some new status, authority, and justification. It become the task of the moral philosophers of the European Enlightenment from the eighteenth century onwards to provide just such an understanding. But what those philosophers in fact provided were several rival and incompatible accounts, utilitarians competing with Kantians and both with contractarians, so that moral judgements, as they had now come to be understood, become essentially contestable, expressive of the attitudes and feelings of those who uttered them, yet still uttered as if there was some impersonal standard by which moral disagreements might be rationally resolved. And from the outset such disagreements concerned not only the justification, but also the content of morality. - Alasdair MacIntyre (After Virtue)

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DudePlayingaDude 4 points ago +4 / -0

Why all the word salad? They told us the reason we can't argue with them. They said they didn't want to talk.

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word salad :: no talk

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UnemployedMarx [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

It's not actually a word salad. Most of all the words add to the meaning of the paragraph.

If you want a summary: It's because you and them have two different and incompatible moral value systems because we live in a society where each individual thinks morality is whatever they feel like yet they act like their sense of morality is the only correct one. When two people argue with two different moral value systems but think the other person's moral value system is the same as their own then arguments become irrational.

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DudePlayingaDude 3 points ago +3 / -0

Agree completely. See? That's what you need to do. Clarify your thoughts. Spell it out. Kids today don't read deeply and aren't taught critical thinking. They wouldn't know a Kantian from a contractarian.

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Semperfidelispatriae 2 points ago +2 / -0

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