I said this on another thread, some guy was coming in here linking everyone to the patriot party page. We don't sign up and give out personal info to people claiming to be Trump affiliated without the Trump family's approval.
They are going to mine for our information, and they will no doubt use it to come after us.
That and there are no shortage of crooks that would love to steal and reroute donations to themselves. I believe Ron Paul had a bunch of these grifters trying to get money from his supporters.
After seeing an article on it I posted the FEC filing but explicitly stated in the title that it was set up by "Georgia Man Michael Gaul" in hopes someone would give me some info in the comments. No one seemed to care one way or another.
Be the GOP you wish to see, as Ghandi would say. If we have a 3rd party, we split 50% of the vote and the other 50%(30% real + 20% fraud) would still be for Democrats, meaning Dems win forever.
96% Trump approval for Republicans.. with these numbers we become the GOP. Get engaged at your local level and work the shills and cucks out of the system because fuck those guys.
Sweeping new parties can occur. Its how the Republican party started, because Whigs were out of touch. Fast forward ten years and Lincoln got elected. It can happen and it can happen faster than you think
That's not how it works in a first past the post system. If a third party comes along with enough support, it will overtake and subsume the dominant party. The situation you described is mathematically unstable, so one party will always lose. Given the dissatisfaction with the GOP, and popularity of Trump, now would be the time to create a third party as we would have more than enough support to overtake the GOP.
True, if we can’t remove the entire leadership of the GOP, it’s essentially a new party. I’m also talking replacing everyone who has worked at the RNC for more than 5 years prior to Trump.
Become a poll worker, get your friends to join yo. Then cheat the way the Dem crooks cheats. If we can't advocate for violent, bloody revolution without being labelled insurrectionists and terrorists, lets advocate to play the game the same way our enemy does. Whoever cheats the best, wins.
I wonder how much could be learned by seeing if we could figure out who backed later convicted pedophile Dennis Hastert's speakership(They removed Newt Gingrich in favor of him in the late 90s).
No it wouldn't. Third parties with enough support overtake the majority party, which we would be able to do with simple 51% support. The two party system is actually due to mathematics, so if we can just slightly beat the GOP the system will quickly stabilize and we'll gain most (if not all) of their voters.
The biggest deterrent to creating a new party is the fact you'd need 100% of current GOP voters to vote for this new party. That would never happen. You'd split the vote, meaning 2024 would be a blow out for the Democrats. Yes, you'd succeed in destroying the Republican Party, but you'd also succeed in assuring Democrat control of the country for the foreseeable future, if that's even avoidable at this point. Let's assume after only two elections, being extremely optimistic, the Republican party fades into obscurity. The Democrats have had control for 6 days, and are already royally destroying this country. What would unchecked power for 8 or even 4 years accomplish? Even if this new party did attain the presidency, I highly doubt you would have even the slightest chance of undoing the damage that would do to this nation. Trump's accomplishments are already being undone, what little steps we took in the right direction, we've jumped so many back it's almost insurmountable. Whatever the answer is, creating a new party certainly would be a lasting mistake. I say this as an Independent who voted for Trump twice, and would do so again. Trump knows this, and this is why he's still acting within the bounds of the current political paradigm. Sometimes you have to work with the hand you're dealt.
There's never going to be a perfect political party, not when we have two parties. There's always going to be compromise and disappointment. Basically you end up with nobody getting what they want.
Well and from all we know this guy has no relationship/communication with Trump at all, but is some guy who registered the name and tried to add Trump.
In fairness it could be a well-meaning supporter, but Trump needs to have control if he's starting a new party.
God damn some of you people are fucking stupid. Trump isn't condemning it. Its a legal filing making clear that he has no financial connection to it. This is to ensure that we don't just throw in with a group without vetting them, but mostly to keep the dems or the media from trying to shit on him for the actions of an entity he's not associated with.
Also, fuck every single one of you that is worried about "splitting the vote". Republicans are NOT ON YOUR SIDE. THEY DO NOT DESERVE YOUR VOTE. ANY OF THEM. EVER AGAIN. My rep has been pretty good, but I'm not voting for him in 22. No republicans. No more career politicians. Fuck the elite political class. You're better off with someone at random representing you in congress.
Trump's style is to fight back and win. He still has 90% approval rating among. Republicans. If Trump supports MAGA candidates in 2022 primaries, he can take back party leadership. That should be the short-term goal.
It wouldn't split the vote. The first past the post system makes it so that only two major parties can exist simultaneously (from a mathematical perspective). If we were to get just 51% of the GOP voter base we would overtake them as the majority party (as their support would collapse). Considering Trump has huge support amongst Republicans, and the GOP is very disliked, that shouldn't be a problem. It also allows the party to rebrand itself; most people hear "Republican" and think religious fundamentalist. We can drop the bad connotations while keeping some of the policy.
There's been a lot of grifters when they got word of a possible Patriot Party. There's even a fake Kayleigh McEnany account telling people to follow a fake Patriot Party account shilling ugly shirts.
Have to be extremely careful with a strong new movement with good intent. People will try to hijack it for nefarious reasons every single time. BLM was not toxic at first but looked what happened. Same happened to the PLO. At first it was good, sincere cause but Arafat ripped it from them and turned it into a terrorist organization.
"Disavow" is a legal term used to describe the Trump Campaign's relationship to the Patriot Party organization that recently filed to become an organization in the state of Georgia.
The original filing by the Patriot Party of GA stated that they were involved with the Trump Campaign financially. This is not the case.
The Trump Administration and the Patriot Party GA Organizations are unaffiliated, hence the campaign's disavowal of the Patriot Party's statement made in their original FEC filing.
This does not, however, mean that Trump disavows the organization.
The "Patriot Party" website at https://us-patriotparty.com/ seems to be unaffiliated with the FEC filing as well. Please let me know if you have found any information about the people who created the website.
Anyone that follows any of these fucking grifters is a retard and deserves to lose their money. Everyone should know better by this point. Unless it comes straight from Trump it is a grift.
I don’t understand Trump. Does he expect us to go and vote for republicans knowing they hate our guts. We’ve been told by GEOTUS elections are rigged and they are I don’t see the upside to voting gop.
I do love reading the shit talkers. I filed , not knowing wtf to do, instead of hiding behind a keyboard . I did not nor have i accepted any money. To do so, Trump would have to change the name of the fundraiser. If you claim to be a true patriot, get from behind the computer and throw yourself out there. Amazing after i filed 63% of GOP want new party. Amazing what a single guy can do to change the environment. Imagine 70 million. Not a dem, CIA , Q guy , love Trump.
There is no "Patriot Party" that anyone wants to be affiliated with. It's like the "American Independent Party" in California...people join thinking they are registering as independent voters but they aren't.
Like it or not we have to work within the current system of R and D for awhile longer
Imagine being so defeatist you don't believe you can get good candidates to primary bad ones in a party where Trump has 90+ percent support among voters.
Except those of us who supported Ron Paul knew that and watched Trump walk in and dominate in 2016 after Ron Paul got fucked in 08 and '12. It's not impossible.
This - I watched this entire arc and it seems clear to me that Trump learned from Paul's mistakes and capitalized on his advantages (mainly, having a lot more money, power, branding and media presence plus charisma) to accomplish his goal.
We see now that the swamp is even bigger than we thought.
I'm totally divided on this. I don't think party affiliation means a damn thing until integrity is restored to the voting process at critical points. Primarying RINOs is an effective strategy but as long as the swamp can just login and modify votes what difference does it make.
Problem is we're in a bubble here, assuming everyone who voted for Trump is like us. Most aren't even thinking about a 3rd party.
Good luck organizing this on the local and state levels. Explain why we can't succeed at primarying some RINOs, but we are going to somehow get the same voters to all abandon ship? It's not realistic.
I will follow Trump's lead, but I predict that he will NOT go 3rd party, because he ultimately cares about doing the smartest and most efficient thing to win, not wasting time, energy and resources just to send a "message".
No, no it won't. You're assuming the GOP will still remain alive if Trump forms a new party. Trump's the only person right now who can destroy and successfully rebuild a conservative party. Millions of people registered as Republicans this election only because of Trump.
It will split the vote, but we've just got to bite the bullet and do it anyways; House Reps are up for reelection every two years, vote R for Senate which has longer terms, vote 3rd party for House. The midterms are the best time to do this because then we can get 3rd party candidates into the House, and even if the dems take the majority normies will have two years to see what we're about and get used to the fact that the GOP is no longer a viable option, just in time for 2024. Then it's up to them whether they want to throw away their vote on now 3rd party status republicans or if they want to vote America First.
I said this on another thread, some guy was coming in here linking everyone to the patriot party page. We don't sign up and give out personal info to people claiming to be Trump affiliated without the Trump family's approval.
They are going to mine for our information, and they will no doubt use it to come after us.
That and there are no shortage of crooks that would love to steal and reroute donations to themselves. I believe Ron Paul had a bunch of these grifters trying to get money from his supporters.
Grifters gonna grift
This should be stickied somewhere then. This is the first time I've seen it.
Can you post username(s) who promoted this, please got to truck & hunt those
The mods deleted the link after several of us requested it gone.
Why are we cleaning side effects instead of fixing the root problem, those creatures hate sunshine & publicity.
Better NOT call Gaul.
Anytime! The number is out there.
After seeing an article on it I posted the FEC filing but explicitly stated in the title that it was set up by "Georgia Man Michael Gaul" in hopes someone would give me some info in the comments. No one seemed to care one way or another.
Ok this is good he’s letting ppl know now. This Gaul guy could do something shitty & say Trumps patriot party is in agreement.
Kinda sucks though. We want a third party. We hate the GOP.
If trump decides to create a third party he ain't giving it to some nut who happened to get a good name registered.
Anyone else think this is some 4D trump chess. He's hoping they tryin to push senate impeachment harder so he can introduce evidence ?
No more "4D chess." Enough.
Just giving them enough rope to hang themselves, man! /s
They already own the rope factory.
No.
thanks for typing that out, the +4/ -38 ticker doesn't give it away. lol
Thoroughness is always a good thing...haha.
Be the GOP you wish to see, as Ghandi would say. If we have a 3rd party, we split 50% of the vote and the other 50%(30% real + 20% fraud) would still be for Democrats, meaning Dems win forever.
96% Trump approval for Republicans.. with these numbers we become the GOP. Get engaged at your local level and work the shills and cucks out of the system because fuck those guys.
Sweeping new parties can occur. Its how the Republican party started, because Whigs were out of touch. Fast forward ten years and Lincoln got elected. It can happen and it can happen faster than you think
According to some poll somewhere, if Trump made a 3rd party, it would be more popular than the Republican party.
That's not how it works in a first past the post system. If a third party comes along with enough support, it will overtake and subsume the dominant party. The situation you described is mathematically unstable, so one party will always lose. Given the dissatisfaction with the GOP, and popularity of Trump, now would be the time to create a third party as we would have more than enough support to overtake the GOP.
Dems and Repubs two sides of the same uniparty coin.
Worse, Repubs are happy being winey little bitches who lose politely and pander with faux outrage
agreed.
It caught me off guard, but it's so predictable that some ahole would do this!!!
I guess this means that when we do start a third party, we won't be able to call it the Patriot Party. ☹️
I think there’s a wiki page for an older Patriot Party from the 1960s that had a socialist terrorist agenda like the Weather Underground.
Sucks but I’m positive whatever Trump does, he’s come come out swinging & fuck all their shit up like no one could’ve ever imagined.
President Trump will not be endorsing or leading any new political party.
Trump wont go full perot-tard unless he can win. right now we have GOP that need to be punish first.
lets ruin Romney/Sasse/McCarthy/Toomey and the rest first. cant create a third party and leave them in control of the GOP.
there are many in the Red states that have good reps, we should not destroy them. i however do not and i want them gone
True, if we can’t remove the entire leadership of the GOP, it’s essentially a new party. I’m also talking replacing everyone who has worked at the RNC for more than 5 years prior to Trump.
He did say he was fundraising in coordination with Trump, which was not true.
horrible... gonna take ppl's money & contact info, turn us into the Feds and make a profit. Sickos
Better come up with a new party soon, because I damn sure ain’t voting republican ever again.
your vote is meaningless, 3rd party or not
Gotta get patriots embedded into the bureaucracy and right the ship so that elections matter again.
Get jobs in your county recorders office, secretary of state's office, board of elections, etc. Make it your mission to eliminate fraud.
Become a poll worker, get your friends to join yo. Then cheat the way the Dem crooks cheats. If we can't advocate for violent, bloody revolution without being labelled insurrectionists and terrorists, lets advocate to play the game the same way our enemy does. Whoever cheats the best, wins.
Yup
I voted this one time because I thought it would matter. I will never vote ever again.
Fren, please don’t give up the ship. That’s what they want.
Bad move. Never give up. Fraud happens only because people vote, else why commit fraud? Your vote matters!!!
Fraud vitiates everything. This is why it's so important for us to start acting, get off the sidelines.
Primary the RINOs man! This is OUR PARTY don't let the deep scum faggots take it over..thats playing into the Dems hands they want you demoralized
I wonder how much could be learned by seeing if we could figure out who backed later convicted pedophile Dennis Hastert's speakership(They removed Newt Gingrich in favor of him in the late 90s).
EXACTLY.
There aren't different parties under socialism, communism, and in the n/o wo. Citizens don't get to vote under those government/rule.
Just follow Trump. The GOP are a bunch of faggots, but they’re our faggots and we need to take control of the party.
While we make up most of republican votes as Trump supporters, we are not 100%, at least 15% went to the republicans Trump or not.
Cleaning up the Republican Party would be better than having a 3rd party
No it wouldn't. Third parties with enough support overtake the majority party, which we would be able to do with simple 51% support. The two party system is actually due to mathematics, so if we can just slightly beat the GOP the system will quickly stabilize and we'll gain most (if not all) of their voters.
Posted this last night, elsewhere:
The biggest deterrent to creating a new party is the fact you'd need 100% of current GOP voters to vote for this new party. That would never happen. You'd split the vote, meaning 2024 would be a blow out for the Democrats. Yes, you'd succeed in destroying the Republican Party, but you'd also succeed in assuring Democrat control of the country for the foreseeable future, if that's even avoidable at this point. Let's assume after only two elections, being extremely optimistic, the Republican party fades into obscurity. The Democrats have had control for 6 days, and are already royally destroying this country. What would unchecked power for 8 or even 4 years accomplish? Even if this new party did attain the presidency, I highly doubt you would have even the slightest chance of undoing the damage that would do to this nation. Trump's accomplishments are already being undone, what little steps we took in the right direction, we've jumped so many back it's almost insurmountable. Whatever the answer is, creating a new party certainly would be a lasting mistake. I say this as an Independent who voted for Trump twice, and would do so again. Trump knows this, and this is why he's still acting within the bounds of the current political paradigm. Sometimes you have to work with the hand you're dealt.
There's never going to be a perfect political party, not when we have two parties. There's always going to be compromise and disappointment. Basically you end up with nobody getting what they want.
Still not voting Republican
Primary all faggoty Republicans
He's distancing himself so the Communists can't attack him for campaign finance violations through it.
I think this is the most accurate assessment of the situation yet.
Well and from all we know this guy has no relationship/communication with Trump at all, but is some guy who registered the name and tried to add Trump.
In fairness it could be a well-meaning supporter, but Trump needs to have control if he's starting a new party.
Seems more likely that Communists tried to affiliate him with it as a means to destroy it.
This one needs to be stickied.
God damn some of you people are fucking stupid. Trump isn't condemning it. Its a legal filing making clear that he has no financial connection to it. This is to ensure that we don't just throw in with a group without vetting them, but mostly to keep the dems or the media from trying to shit on him for the actions of an entity he's not associated with.
Also, fuck every single one of you that is worried about "splitting the vote". Republicans are NOT ON YOUR SIDE. THEY DO NOT DESERVE YOUR VOTE. ANY OF THEM. EVER AGAIN. My rep has been pretty good, but I'm not voting for him in 22. No republicans. No more career politicians. Fuck the elite political class. You're better off with someone at random representing you in congress.
Learn your lesson.
People here would rather vote for Bush and Romney over Obama and Hillary. You can't convince them, they are retarded.
Agree. Waking those idiots up is going to have to be our job before we can take on the actual enemy in this country.
Trump's style is to fight back and win. He still has 90% approval rating among. Republicans. If Trump supports MAGA candidates in 2022 primaries, he can take back party leadership. That should be the short-term goal.
Sticky this?
A "Patriot Party" would split the conservative vote, giving the Dems win after win.
it would be much easier to replace the "Old Guard" GOP with new MAGA candidates during the Primaries
It wouldn't split the vote. The first past the post system makes it so that only two major parties can exist simultaneously (from a mathematical perspective). If we were to get just 51% of the GOP voter base we would overtake them as the majority party (as their support would collapse). Considering Trump has huge support amongst Republicans, and the GOP is very disliked, that shouldn't be a problem. It also allows the party to rebrand itself; most people hear "Republican" and think religious fundamentalist. We can drop the bad connotations while keeping some of the policy.
Thats the fear, not always the reality. Look at how the Republican party started
we still think we can vote our way out of this? smh
There's been a lot of grifters when they got word of a possible Patriot Party. There's even a fake Kayleigh McEnany account telling people to follow a fake Patriot Party account shilling ugly shirts.
I've seen that one. It will make a non gift post, wait for RTs, and then respond to the original with shit to sell.
Until I hear it from my president himself, it is to be ignored.
Have to be extremely careful with a strong new movement with good intent. People will try to hijack it for nefarious reasons every single time. BLM was not toxic at first but looked what happened. Same happened to the PLO. At first it was good, sincere cause but Arafat ripped it from them and turned it into a terrorist organization.
...so. Time for another website name change?
NotPatriotPartyPatriotsButRealActualPatriots.win
Third Party or only commies win 22, 24, etc.
NEVER voting GOP again. I'd legit rather go full Stalinism and force sheep to finally bite something.
Disavow
This wording comes from a Trump Campaign FEC Filing released January 25th, 2021.
"Disavow" is a legal term used to describe the Trump Campaign's relationship to the Patriot Party organization that recently filed to become an organization in the state of Georgia.
The original filing by the Patriot Party of GA stated that they were involved with the Trump Campaign financially. This is not the case.
The Trump Administration and the Patriot Party GA Organizations are unaffiliated, hence the campaign's disavowal of the Patriot Party's statement made in their original FEC filing.
This does not, however, mean that Trump disavows the organization.
The "Patriot Party" website at https://us-patriotparty.com/ seems to be unaffiliated with the FEC filing as well. Please let me know if you have found any information about the people who created the website.
Guess he isn't our guy... Too bad. I'm part of several patriot party telegram chats and its amazing how much steam this movement has.
I'M NEVER VOTING GOP
DISAVOWED
Anyone that follows any of these fucking grifters is a retard and deserves to lose their money. Everyone should know better by this point. Unless it comes straight from Trump it is a grift.
MODS this needs to be stickied.
For the lazy and IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE POST... https://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00580100/1490494/
So Grifters or the C.I.A. set up the website, wonderful.
Now people are going to point to this incident as if it means Donald Trump has disavowed an actual patriot party.
Scammers abound. Be smart with your money!
I don’t understand Trump. Does he expect us to go and vote for republicans knowing they hate our guts. We’ve been told by GEOTUS elections are rigged and they are I don’t see the upside to voting gop.
Pardon my skepticism with his picks. People he campaigned for in the last election immediately turned around and stabbed him in the back.
So now we are stuck with a tainted name ?
I do love reading the shit talkers. I filed , not knowing wtf to do, instead of hiding behind a keyboard . I did not nor have i accepted any money. To do so, Trump would have to change the name of the fundraiser. If you claim to be a true patriot, get from behind the computer and throw yourself out there. Amazing after i filed 63% of GOP want new party. Amazing what a single guy can do to change the environment. Imagine 70 million. Not a dem, CIA , Q guy , love Trump.
There is no "Patriot Party" that anyone wants to be affiliated with. It's like the "American Independent Party" in California...people join thinking they are registering as independent voters but they aren't.
Like it or not we have to work within the current system of R and D for awhile longer
So many grifters now that it seems to be a career choice for many.
Patriot party is meh, not that I don't like patriot. My younger more staunch self might have even wanted a capitalist nationalist party..
The more common sense me wants to see Trump create a LION party.
Have Elephants and Rinos and Jackasses and even Republicrats and Demicans.
The only thing I see wrong with a possible party name Lion party is the left having an easy mem on the world Lion/Lying..
I think Ill wait for Trump to officially name the party. Until then Ill stay republican so I can tell them off when they call for donations./
This needs to be stickied.
So we should get off this site???
You can't start a new party.
It just opens the flood gates to fraud, and it will split the vote.
Only shills are suggesting this, and newfags to government politics.
Imagine thinking voting swamp will fix it.
Imagine being so defeatist you don't believe you can get good candidates to primary bad ones in a party where Trump has 90+ percent support among voters.
Imagine thinking that the GOP will let anyone even close to as MAGA Trump run again.
It's a fucking uniparty. DNC and GOP are SWAMP.
Except those of us who supported Ron Paul knew that and watched Trump walk in and dominate in 2016 after Ron Paul got fucked in 08 and '12. It's not impossible.
This - I watched this entire arc and it seems clear to me that Trump learned from Paul's mistakes and capitalized on his advantages (mainly, having a lot more money, power, branding and media presence plus charisma) to accomplish his goal.
We see now that the swamp is even bigger than we thought.
I'm totally divided on this. I don't think party affiliation means a damn thing until integrity is restored to the voting process at critical points. Primarying RINOs is an effective strategy but as long as the swamp can just login and modify votes what difference does it make.
The cowards point of view
Problem is we're in a bubble here, assuming everyone who voted for Trump is like us. Most aren't even thinking about a 3rd party.
Good luck organizing this on the local and state levels. Explain why we can't succeed at primarying some RINOs, but we are going to somehow get the same voters to all abandon ship? It's not realistic.
I will follow Trump's lead, but I predict that he will NOT go 3rd party, because he ultimately cares about doing the smartest and most efficient thing to win, not wasting time, energy and resources just to send a "message".
iT WiLL spLiT tHe VoTe
No, no it won't. You're assuming the GOP will still remain alive if Trump forms a new party. Trump's the only person right now who can destroy and successfully rebuild a conservative party. Millions of people registered as Republicans this election only because of Trump.
It will split the vote, but we've just got to bite the bullet and do it anyways; House Reps are up for reelection every two years, vote R for Senate which has longer terms, vote 3rd party for House. The midterms are the best time to do this because then we can get 3rd party candidates into the House, and even if the dems take the majority normies will have two years to see what we're about and get used to the fact that the GOP is no longer a viable option, just in time for 2024. Then it's up to them whether they want to throw away their vote on now 3rd party status republicans or if they want to vote America First.
The GOP is currently soaking up the Patriot vote. By staying in the race when there's a real Patriot Party, the GOP are the one's splitting the vote.
And the Democrats still have a large voting block and non-Communists have 2 smaller voting blocks. Commies win. Just follow Trump and fuck all RINOs.
This is what they said when the Republican party started
Lotta negativity in your post. My response:
FUCK THE GOP
Fuck the GOP by allowing 96% of Republicans who approve of Trump to take it over.