I think if there is evidence that a divorced woman is having sex with another man then that woman should not be entitled to any child support from the ex-husband. Woman will date a new man after a divorce and not get married for years because the woman will lose child support. A woman shouldn't be able to have a fun dating life and receive post-marital benefits simultaneously. Especially if the new boyfriend doesn't want to take responsibility for the girl's kids or show any commitment. I'm not going through this but my mom is sleeping with another dude and my dad is essentially funding it while he's broke and she's living in a 2-family home. Its not right. I've seen other cases like this. What am I missing here?
EDIT; The purpose of the law is to provide a consequence to a woman for splitting with her husband rather than getting half of his stuff and the kids custody. If a woman has to say "wait.. if I split with my husband, then if I want to fall in love again I will need to severe ties with this guy financially too" provides incentive for a wife and husband to work out their marriage issues and keep the family together. DID YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?? God I feel Insane but this was fun
the 3 income trap
it will never be addressed. that money is not for the parent its for the child. maybe random audits for receipts to show where the money was spent but i am sure that case has been made before.
adultery should have a steep penalty as far custody. if you cheat you are destroying the family structure and are a danger the mental health of the spouse and that directly affects the health of the child. in a way its child abuse.
whats the 3 income trap?
Divorce, woman collects child support. Her boyfriend lives in the house you are still paying for. And her own income. 3 incomes
On top of that the new boyfriend gets to spend more time with your kids than you do.
ahhh gotcha.. fuck that shit! I hate the boyfriend in these hypotheticals.. that guy is a SIMP imo because he bears no responsibility and doesnt have to buy the cow because the milk is free!
and i agree with the adultery comment
You're missing "women's rights" somewhere in there because equality for me but not for thee. I get the good and none of the bad.
what do you mean? who gets the good and none of the bad?
The whole alimony and child support thing, the courts favoring the woman 99% of the time, is horse shit
The solution isn't to make it illegal for a divorced woman to see other men. Thats retarded.
not making it illegal to see another man but basically having it so that theres only 1 man present in the child's life that is actively "providing" for him... if original spouse is paying child support and mom is dating another dude and the other dude doesn't want to take responsibility by becoming a part of the womans family (by marriage) then the original dad shouldnt be paying for that kid since now theres 2 men in this kids life. My idea is to push the woman to find a man that will help her raise her kid not find a guy to make her happy while the kid is stuck without a dad/father figure
His suggestion isn't to make it illegal. He is saying if they are screwing around, then she loses child support.
Sure. Making it illegal by virtue of losing their child support*
Sorry, but I'm not particularly fond of the idea that a man should have to pay to support his children, but not have custody of them.
Thats fine. I agree the system is fucked up
But the solution posted is retarded and does nothing to resolve your issue.
"That's retarded."
You present such a compelling case...
You shouldn't need an argument against the OP. It is retarded.
Where have I heard this kind of response before?
Oh, yeah.
"The election wasn't stolen, that's retarded."
Done here.
Men have and always will get those shaft. It’s a mans burden. Being a man is sucking it all up. A man will pay. But it’s more than money. What kind of life do you want for your children. For the sake of the children a man will suffer in silence. Any negative comments made to or in front of the child about their mother is unacceptable. Want to permanently damage a child? Start telling them how you really feel about their moTher, a man has to bite his tongue every Sunday when kids go back to their mom. A man waits till he is alone and cries on the long drive. It’s a mans job to take all of the hurt. He suffers alone.
sad but true
The courts don't care who is doing what to who as long as they do not hurt the child. She could be a saint or a whore, it is all formulaic. The courts look at it as a financial transaction to care for the child so the state does not have to. It would be interesting if the courts would take the new "family" dynamic into consideration when holding adults responsible for financial support, but they still hold on to the notion of mother and father.
yeah i kinda didnt fully take the child into consideration hahaha... i mean there is a case to be made that since the child is the product of the man and woman that the man should have to take responsibility for the child until it is an adult.. but I just like see these people that avoid marriage simply because the woman will lose child support and its like obviously flawed and corrupt! That shouldn't occur.. my idea here is to make woman think twice about divorcing their husband
I don't disagree. I have a lot of experience regarding your issue, but will not bore you with it. You will not get courts to solve any of it though. That said, we should find a way to make it difficult to get married and extremely painful to get divorced. With regard to the responsibility to children, we are going down a slippery slope where the ease of divorce and the lack of conscious for pro-creation and child rearing will someday eradicate the nuclear family and cause the state to assume primary responsibility. At that time the state will license a couple to have a child and award that couple (or any concocted relationship) custody until matriculation. The couple will be held accountable to raise the asset of the state in accordance to its rules and regulations. Yeah, I know, it sounds ludicrous but I was born in a decade when we never cared about politics and new world orders, only family.
that's what jewish law is!
divorce law was based on jewish law! before it got corrupted
one more thing the reason you must marry a brothers widow. is someone needs to take care of her and the kids. you take your brothers contract and fullfill it!
a man cannot divorce a woman. the woman can divorce the man
she can get divorce by getting another contract with another man
a marriage is achieved in 3 ways
having sex getting her a ring and signing a ketubah
ideally you do all 3 if you have sex you actually "verbally sign" a standard ketubah
so the moment your ex wive does one of those 3 you are relieved of mairiage duties/allimony! there exist no sex before marriage in this interpetation! sex is marriage! so i can pass a lie detector test that i have not have had sex before marriage because i truly believe it!
ofcourse certain people or rabis interpret it different
as you the old joke goes if you put 2 jews in a room they will have 3 opinions between them
Wait are oyu serious??? Im jewish and this is news to me but I feel like divinely inspired now!! hahahaha do you have a verse you could point me to?
in a way yes!
ofcourse there is discussion about it, meaning it is up to interpetation. but many a scolars say the man cannot divorce the woman can divorce!
anyway if you have the "right" interpation marrying your rapist is even that bad!
because in a marriage the woman has the right to sex! the man has no right to sex. so marriage is not love and sex. marriage is a contract that a woman will be taken care of by the man and 1 man only!
all this is complicated. a man can marry different women, but a woman can only remain married to one man!
a ketubah is signed by the man not the woman, it is the womans contract. a woman wears a wedding ring not a man
all this is being undone by "liberal" judaism, thinking difference between men and women is discirmination. no it is a role thing all this is complicated to hash out here.
i lost my faith when i went to study abroad, a science related study, seeing as the world tells you science and religion(old testament) are incompatible. untill i found a book called genesis and the big bang after that book i found my faith again now i try and read all old writings by rabis and sages!
sorry for long post all over the place, i am ahskenazi jew, dont know much about other tribes!
its so funny because i just edited the post and realized that what I'm trying to promote is there only being 1 man for the woman, not 2. thats cool I dont know what type of Jew I am but I became a christian at 18 so i'm technically a messianic jew by the world's standard but I also have lawyer in my blood since i like politics and law lol
ussually if you know the names of your jewish ancestors you can know what tribe
but even if you are christians read the book genesis and the big bang! it compares the old testament with the "science"!
you sound like a crazy person
Im going to go ahead and defend myself- do I sound crazy because I thought of something you never thought of before? Because thats what crazy people are- they think things you haven't... the internet was a crazy idea once upon a time!
sure okay how about we implement your plan but if the dad fucks someone, he pays the mom double now
hahahah hey this isn't a bad idea?? This is called negotiating right?
no, i am illustrating how ludicrous your plan is, and you keep taking it as an endorsement :P
the dad shouldnt fuck anyone.. no sex before marriage I think would solve a lot of our political issues- ie gay marriage, ie abortion, ie welfare recipients, ie crime problems caused by bad family structures
The consequences of "muh feels" on voting. Or, the hidden crass cynicism of women.