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CertainlyNotEdward 3 points ago +3 / -0

Sure, that's easy. Western Europe, circa the 11 century.

As for us, the problem is we only remember the Jesus holding the lamb instead of the Jesus using a goddamn whip to extricate the money changers from the church like some kind of Belmont clan vampire slayer.

God has always only helped those who help themselves.

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SWORDofLIBERTY -1 points ago +1 / -2

Ie God takes credit for what man already did.

And you could elaborate in a useful way, rather than a vague era of a 100 fucking years and a giant space of land. Gee you sure showed me, no actual argument as usual to why a fucking lie from Roman era somehow made y'all not a bunch of pussies compared to the men who held up proper War Gods in their daily lives.

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CertainlyNotEdward 1 point ago +1 / -0

The western Roman empire ended in 476 AD, chief.

No, this was the heart of the middle ages. A time when european kings, queens and popes battled and usurped one another other while surviving the invading Muslim hordes. It started in the 5th century, came to a boil with the Christian crusades in the 11th century and ended around the 15th century.

If you care to learn about a little bit about western civilization's history rather than naively criticizing its foundation from a position of ignorance and religious intolerance, you can watch this.

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SWORDofLIBERTY 0 points ago +1 / -1

Ah lovely, now you were finally specific so I can point out how retarded this is.

The Church didn't save y'all from the muslim hordes, they sat on their fucking asses for way too long, allowing white people to be raped and kidnapped, because the jews that controlled the church from day 1, hate white people.

Muslims wouldn't even exist if christianity didn't exist.

Don't believe me?

Without christianity corrupting the Roman Empire from within, calling it's local Gods "Demons" (which is just the Greek word Daemon which meant helper of humanity, more corruption of language), then Rome would still be at the height and would never have fell to decadence had it's people not been tricked, (and in most cases forced, like Constantine did to his army) to follow "jesus" the Roman Empire would've completely slaughtered the Muslims before they even had a chance to become a power in the world.

So no, the church finally getting off their ass to lend pitiful aid to men does not make them the "Saviors" they claim to be, it makes them Democrats at best. Many of those men were Pagan in Secret anyway, like Vlad Tepes, aka part of the Order of the Dragon, a Pagan order, cuz christianity hates dragons due to their pagan origins and spiritual meaning behind them.

Don't speak of naivity when you have zero understanding of the actual Religions that served as the bedrock of western civilzation. When the Founders looked to inspiration for the new Republic, they looked to Rome, and Greco-Roman Values.

Don't believe me? Look at the painting they used to enshrine Washington with his place among the Gods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apotheosis_of_Washington

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CertainlyNotEdward 1 point ago +1 / -0

Way to strawman, dude. We weren't talking about the church, we were talking about the faithful and Christianity.

But whatever. Have fun with your anti-historic bullshit.